Professor who criticized Bush added to terrorist 'no-fly' list

[danarhea]

What does it take, these days, for the administration to slander you as a terrorist? Just disagreeing with President Bush is a good start. Walter F. Murphy, who is a one of the top constitutional scholars in the US, was added to the terrorist no-fly list for just that, criticizing the president.

Aside from his stance on Bush, along with a few other stances which are on the left, Murphy is on the right on many issues, is an avid right to lifer, is against Roe v. Wade, and supported the nomination of Alito to the US Supreme Court. He is also a decorated Korean War veteran, who also spent 19 years as a reservist after that war ended. So why is the administration branding him as a terrorist and putting him on a watch list? Oh thats right. According to President Bush, Murphy is either with him or with the terrorists. Apparently, so is 70% of the American people. Or just maybe, Bush is the terrorist.

Article is here.

 

[Gibberish]

That is pathetic.

It seems Americans who exercise their constitutional rights are now terrorists.

 

[reaganburch]

What does it take, these days, for the administration to slander you as a terrorist? Just disagreeing with President Bush is a good start. Walter F. Murphy, who is a one of the top constitutional scholars in the US, was added to the terrorist no-fly list for just that, criticizing the president.

Aside from his stance on Bush, along with a few other stances which are on the left, Murphy is on the right on many issues, is an avid right to lifer, is against Roe v. Wade, and supported the nomination of Alito to the US Supreme Court. He is also a decorated Korean War veteran, who also spent 19 years as a reservist after that war ended. So why is the administration branding him as a terrorist and putting him on a watch list? Oh thats right. According to President Bush, Murphy is either with him or with the terrorists. Apparently, so is 70% of the American people. Or just maybe, Bush is the terrorist.

Article is here.

Since you're deeming President Bush a terrorist for this happening, is there any evidence that President Bush HIMSELF authorized this guy getting on a terrorist watch list?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Privacy is for people who have something to hide, guns are for killers, we should watch what we say so we don't cause any trouble, oh and... we should publicly endorse and finance (with tax breaks) religion.

 

[danarhea]

Since you're deeming President Bush a terrorist for this happening, is there any evidence that President Bush HIMSELF authorized this guy getting on a terrorist watch list?

Since Bush is the Chief Executive, the buck stops with him, especially since he personally pushed for the list that is now in place. Doesn't matter that others in his administration are abusing and politicizing that list. The fact is, it is happening, but unlike Truman, Bush doesn't like to think the buck stops with him, even though it does.

 

[Kandahar]

It's disgusting that there is no appeals process for those who are on the no-fly list. They are being punished without due process of law.

 

[reaganburch]

Since Bush is the Chief Executive, the buck stops with him, especially since he personally pushed for the list that is now in place. Doesn't matter that others in his administration are abusing and politicizing that list. The fact is, it is happening, but unlike Truman, Bush doesn't like to think the buck stops with him, even though it does.

But don't you agree with the list in principle? And although the buck DOES stop with him, I don't want a micro-manager for a President... I don't think he should be responsible for the micro-minutae for EVERYTHING in the Government... I mean, is HE responsible for a 4th level manager at the Department of Interior, for example, lining the pockets of a buddy-vendor of his/hers by overspending on office supplies, paper clips, post-it notes, etc?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

It's disgusting that there is no appeals process for those who are on the no-fly list. They are being punished without due process of law.

Disgusting is too optimistic for me, I say its a shame. I don't know whats worse, this or the lack of outrage about this.

It seems to me more and more that Americans wouldn't pluck a hair for liberty.

 

[BWG]

Privacy is for people who have something to hide, guns are for killers, we should watch what we say so we don't cause any trouble, oh and... we should publicly endorse and finance (with tax breaks) religion.

The bold made me almost fly out of my chair..LOL...then I read the rest and saw the tongue firmly planted against the cheek...:lol:

 

[Captain America]

Be patient America. The tyranny shall pass. Help is on the way!
BBspot - Bush Countdown Clock

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Be patient America. The tyranny shall pass. Help is on the way!

Patience in the face of tyranny is no virtue. The inaction of good men is far worse than anything GWB can think up.

 

[Captain America]

What do you suggest? A bloody civil war? Bush STILL has enough supporters to stink things up.

No, our forefathers were smart enogh to build in protections from people like Bush with term limits.

But you're right, we should not wait for him to screw things up anymore than he already has. That's what they are trying real hard to do now in Washington. Keep him from digging our hole any deeper.

Be careful what you say or you might get on his list too.

 

[danarhea]

What do you suggest? A bloody civil war? Bush STILL has enough supporters to stink things up.

No, our forefathers were smart enogh to build in protections from people like Bush with term limits.

But you're right, we should not wait for him to screw things up anymore than he already has. That's what they are trying real hard to do now in Washington. Keep him from digging our hole any deeper.

Be careful what you say or you might get on his list too.

Actually, they weren't. Term limits happened with an amendment to the Constitution after Roosevelt died. He was elected to 4 terms, and in his arrogance, tried to pack the Supreme Court.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

What do you suggest? A bloody civil war? Bush STILL has enough supporters to stink things up.

Not at all.

No, our forefathers were smart enogh to build in protections from people like Bush with term limits.

Some saw these checks and balances as not enough, and expected us to have many revolutions and civil wars.

But you're right, we should not wait for him to screw things up anymore than he already has. That's what they are trying real hard to do now in Washington. Keep him from digging our hole any deeper.

Exactly, thats why we should hold trials, ask questions, and never back down from their stone walling.

Be careful what you say or you might get on his list too.

Thats hardly a brave patriotic attitude.

 

[Kandahar]

But don't you agree with the list in principle?

Only if it is made public, the people on the list are told exactly why they are on it, there are clear guidelines as to the reasons a person can be placed on the list, and an appeals process so that people can get their names removed.

And although the buck DOES stop with him, I don't want a micro-manager for a President... I don't think he should be responsible for the micro-minutae for EVERYTHING in the Government... I mean, is HE responsible for a 4th level manager at the Department of Interior, for example, lining the pockets of a buddy-vendor of his/hers by overspending on office supplies, paper clips, post-it notes, etc?

Yes and no. I certainly wouldn't call that a national scandal that Bush should personally be condemned for, but yes, he would be responsible in the sense that he hired a Secretary of the Interior who was responsible for hiring someone who was responsible for hiring someone, etc. That kind of thing will inevitably happen under ANY president, no matter how effective of a manager he/she is, but that does not absolve him/her of responsibility.

 

[WI Crippler]

Actually, they weren't. Term limits happened with an amendment to the Constitution after Roosevelt died. He was elected to 4 terms, and in his arrogance, tried to pack the Supreme Court.

Term limits would be nice on Congress too. Unfortunantly, they would have to vote themselves out of a job. Don't see that happening.....ever.

 

[danarhea]

Term limits would be nice on Congress too. Unfortunantly, they would have to vote themselves out of a job. Don't see that happening.....ever.

Fortunately, there is more than one way to skin a cat, or for that matter, amend the Constitution. The states can do it themselves, and force the issue in front of Congress by ratifying term limits themselves. It is more difficult, but it can be done. However, that would mean that people would actually have to pull away from their reality TV shows long enough to get involved.

 

[reaganburch]

Only if it is made public, the people on the list are told exactly why they are on it, there are clear guidelines as to the reasons a person can be placed on the list, and an appeals process so that people can get their names removed.

Can't find any fault with this reasoning... I agree...

Yes and no. I certainly wouldn't call that a national scandal that Bush should personally be condemned for, but yes, he would be responsible in the sense that he hired a Secretary of the Interior who was responsible for hiring someone who was responsible for hiring someone, etc. That kind of thing will inevitably happen under ANY president, no matter how effective of a manager he/she is, but that does not absolve him/her of responsibility.

Again, I agree... to a point... responsible, perhaps... a terrorist? No, I think it's taking it TOO far, there IMO

 

[reaganburch]

Fortunately, there is more than one way to skin a cat, or for that matter, amend the Constitution. The states can do it themselves, and force the issue in front of Congress by ratifying term limits themselves. It is more difficult, but it can be done. However, that would mean that people would actually have to pull away from their reality TV shows long enough to get involved.

Arkansas passed term limits on their Federal Goverment electee's; however, it was deemed unconstitutional... by whom? I cannot find whether it was our Supreme Court or SCOTUS... it was a bad idea; however, unless every state does it, it just leaves those states with term limits at a disadvantage...

 

[WI Crippler]

Fortunately, there is more than one way to skin a cat, or for that matter, amend the Constitution. The states can do it themselves, and force the issue in front of Congress by ratifying term limits themselves. It is more difficult, but it can be done. However, that would mean that people would actually have to pull away from their reality TV shows long enough to get involved.

So true....

 

[DeeJayH]

is this any different than past presidents using the IRS on their opposition?
and while I think it is taking it too far, I also chuckled about it :3oops:

I mean, really, his flying has been inconvenienced. He is not in Gitmo....yet :lol:

 

[Ikari]

So are the sins of our current politicians forgiven by the sins of our past politicians? Some people don't fly just for pleasure, so by doing this you can be affecting someone's livelihood as well. This isn't something the government is really meant to do, and the fact that it is being used for political purposes or to punish dissent should stir outrage. Not a "chuckle". Oh haha...look at how the government is interfering with our daily lives and using the power it granted itself in order to purposefully prevent people from flying...not because they actually presented a threat but because they dare say something bad about the government or its leaders. Yeah...that's real American there.

 

[Iriemon]

is this any different than past presidents using the IRS on their opposition?

An equivalent abuse of power.

 

[Captain America]

Actually, they weren't. Term limits happened with an amendment to the Constitution after Roosevelt died. He was elected to 4 terms, and in his arrogance, tried to pack the Supreme Court.

Were the powers that be then not our forefathers as well? Thanks for the input. I didn't realize term limits came about that recently. :3oops:

 

[Binary_Digit]

Were the powers that be then not our forefathers as well? Thanks for the input. I didn't realize term limits came about that recently. :3oops:

Yah, George Washington left after his 2nd term, but that only set a tradition of sorts among future Presidents, not a Constitutional requirement. I was surprised to learn that too.