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vergiss said:
Shush. Enough long words. You don't want to give him a headache. ;)

Vergiss, you are doing more to hurt us than you are to help us. Please, dont flame him, just answer his posts in kind. (Its not hard, look at the weak stance they have :2razz: )
 
jallman said:
Vergiss, you are doing more to hurt us than you are to help us. Please, dont flame him, just answer his posts in kind. (Its not hard, look at the weak stance they have :2razz: )

Diddums. Less hypersensitivity.

All sorts of members in all sorts of debates are on the recieving end of my sarcasm. You'd do well to form a sense of humour, before you give people reason to be paranoid about censorship in the name of political correctness.
 
vergiss said:
Diddums. Less hypersensitivity.

All sorts of members in all sorts of debates are on the recieving end of my sarcasm. You'd do well to form a sense of humour, before you give people reason to be paranoid about censorship in the name of political correctness.

I have quite a sense of humor (I mean, I have some humor because I bust a gut with almost every one of fantasea's and battleax's posts) and I have no intention to censor or be politically correct. But you are making some ignunt comments about killing people and such...jeeze. And please, I am not being a smartass, but what is "diddums"?
 
What is "ignunt"? :lol:
 
vergiss said:
Shush. Enough long words. You don't want to give him a headache. ;)
Bye bye is Israelis, no more Gaza for you.
 
jimmyjack said:
What is your faith steen?
I am a Christian, one who detests those who bear false witness and aggitates against others instead of loving their neighbors. Why are you asking? Care to stay on topic here?
 
jimmyjack said:
Bye bye is Israelis, no more Gaza for you.
Ah, so now you have resorted to troll-postings? You are beginnig to really not be worth anybody's time.
 
steen said:
Ah, so now you have resorted to troll-postings? You are beginnig to really not be worth anybody's time.
steen said:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5195/victims.html

What was that you where saying about trolling, steen?
 
steen said:
I am a Christian, one who detests those who bear false witness and aggitates against others instead of loving their neighbors. Why are you asking? Care to stay on topic here?

You're a strange Christian; do you really think Christ would advocate abortion?

Ha, you are insane.

Jesus said, "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these."

And Jesus said:, 'Suffer first the children to be filled, for it is not good to take the children's bread, and to cast 'it' to the little dogs.'
 
jimmyjack said:
What was that you where saying about trolling, steen?
Bringing up factual information contradicting claims is not trolling. Posts designed solely for taunting with no topical content, they are very much trolling.

So yes, you are a troll. Trolls are big-time losers and not worth anybody's time. So you might want to rethink your lame and cowardly tactics here.
 
jimmyjack said:
You're a strange Christian; do you really think Christ would advocate abortion?
Yes, Christ is a feminist.
Ha, you are insane.
Ah, constructive debate---NOT! How lame.
Jesus said, "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these."
Yeah? And? What does that have to do with abortion?

Oh, I get it. You are one of those loons who believe that the Bible speaks against abortions merely because it talks about children? The Bible also talks abotu killing children. Funny how you left nthat part out. How dishonest of you.
And Jesus said:, 'Suffer first the children to be filled, for it is not good to take the children's bread, and to cast 'it' to the little dogs.'
And? That's just more babbling irrelevantly about children. Not one word about abortions. Hmm...
 
IValueFreedom said:
Please show two things to help defend your position:

1) What characteristic makes something 'living'?

2) How does this make it within the human species.

1) Firstoff the fetus has a beating heart

2) Also it is human because the fetus has human DNA

Wow...Pro-Babykiller, oh sorry I mean Pro-Choice people are so blind to what wrong and whats right.
 
Hey steen. Guess what..The bible and most people say murder is wrong. And if you kill something with human DNA and a beating heart, that is murder. So actually the bible indirectly says abortion is wrong by saying murder is wrong.
 
[mod mode]
I'm closing the thread til sometime Monday.

Perhaps I'm very, very wrong; but, IMHO, this's become more about the personalities in this thread more than about the subject of the thread.

If I'm wrong, then so be it. The issue under discussion will still be relevant in a day or so.
If I'm right, perhaps it will give folks a moment of cooler reflection to marshal their arguments in a more precise, more persuasive and more civil manner.

Please do not take the grievances from this thread into other threads while this one is closed.

Sincerely,

Simon W. Moon

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thapcballa said:
1) Firstoff the fetus has a beating heart
So what?
2) Also it is human because the fetus has human DNA
Well, that is merely a species designation. A hydatidiform mole would also be "human."
Wow...Pro-Babykiller, oh sorry I mean Pro-Choice people
Wow, fascist, anti-social asshole liar, oh sorry I mean pro-life people
are so blind to what wrong and whats right.
Yes, you are, seeking to enslave women and oppress them for your misogynistic theocracy. I agree that this is very wrong of you.
 
jimmyjack said:
Another new fact for you steen, Christ was Male.
And a major newsflash for you. Men can be feminists, so your remark is utterly irrelevant and ignorant.
 
thapcballa said:
Hey steen. Guess what..The bible and most people say murder is wrong.
Yup.
And if you kill something with human DNA and a beating heart, that is murder.
Fascinating definition for "murder" that you dug out there. Any wartime killing is murder, then. And so is any capital punishment.

Your revisionist linguistics, your attempt to redefine murder for the sake of your argument is lame. "Murder" is the illegal killing of a person. And theembryo is not a person, and abortion is legal, so your claim is utter nonsense.
So actually the bible indirectly says abortion is wrong by saying murder is wrong.
Ah, and you are a stone because neither you nor a stone can fly. Yeah, such silly sophistry is worth absolutely nothing, other than evidencing how much prolifers are willing to LIE about God's word.
 
steen said:
Yup.
Fascinating definition for "murder" that you dug out there. Any wartime killing is murder, then. And so is any capital punishment.

Your revisionist linguistics, your attempt to redefine murder for the sake of your argument is lame. "Murder" is the illegal killing of a person. And theembryo is not a person, and abortion is legal, so your claim is utter nonsense.
Ah, and you are a stone because neither you nor a stone can fly. Yeah, such silly sophistry is worth absolutely nothing, other than evidencing how much prolifers are willing to LIE about God's word.

Oh yeah the foetus is a warlord, forgot about that
 
jimmyjack said:
Oh yeah the foetus is a warlord, forgot about that
Really? Nothing in my post indicated this. Surely you are not making false claims and indications regarding other people's posts, are you?

Or was it just a ploy to avoid dealing with what I wrote, a feeble attempt at a red herring?
 
steen, will you actually say something that makes sence. I know i said killing human is murder, but you know i wasn't counting war. People say its the womans choice. What about the baby does it get a choice, no. Abortion is for lazy people who don't know how to use a condom or birth control. And if you get raped, well thats sad, but thats bad luck. People get bad luck. Also did you know the women who took the court case to make abortion legal is now actually against and relized how evil it is. The babies don't even get a chance. Steen, your probably just in denial because you if your a woman or your girlfriend if your a man had one. And you don't want to believe if its wrong.
 
thapcballa said:
steen, will you actually say something that makes sence.
Would you, please?
I know i said killing human is murder, but you know i wasn't counting war.
Why? Isn't that killing? Your ONLY requirement was "human DNA" and "a beating heart." That certainly fits the eney soldier and the Iraqi civilians we have blown to smitherines. Per your claim, wartime killing is murder.
People say its the womans choice. What about the baby does it get a choice, no.
There is no "baby" until birth. And no, non-sentient, non-sensate tissue doesn't have a choice any more than your hair has a choice as to whether you should cut it.
Abortion is for lazy people who don't know how to use a condom or birth control.
Really? And so what (ignoring that more than half of all abortions are to people who used contraception).

Now, is unwanted pregnancies now punishment for being "lazy"? Isn't that a wonderful image for the resulting baby? "Mommy was forced to have you as punishment for being lazy"? Great idea, don't you think? Lazy people have no civil rights, eh?
And if you get raped, well thats sad, but thats bad luck. People get bad luck.
Ah, the warmth and concern is literally oozing from you. Do you say the same thing to the person with lung cancer? Sorry, but that is just bad luck, so we won't provide medical treatment of the unwanted outcome from your voluntary smoking? I guess with that attitude we certainly can shut down all ER and most hospitals. That certainly would cut down on the society's cost.
Also did you know the women who took the court case to make abortion legal is now actually against
Yawn. Old news. yes, I know. What is this? Did you expect to trick or shock me? If you want to deal with me, start looking at facts, Roe vs Wade and the woman's right. You can wave your fetal porn picturtes, you can repat all the false PL claims rgarding fetal developments, breast cancer and whatever other prolife lie you have sucked up, and I frankly don't care. I have seen and heard all the arguments and lies before. I have seen all the pictures, including all the fake ones. I ahve long ago come to EXPECT prolifers to be outright dishonest.

Now, it would be nice if you were different, if you deal in facts and data instead of emotional platitudes, but your arguemnt here doesn't bode well for that.
and relized how evil it is.
Your subjective view of abortion has no relevance.
The babies don't even get a chance.
There are no babies. You are now engaging in the dishonest, prolife revisionist linguistic hyperbole so essential for prolifers arguments because you don't ahve any argument on the facts. That's just pathetic. Again, care to deal with facts? Care to deal with the REAL world?
Steen, your probably just in denial because you if your a woman or your girlfriend if your a man had one.
huh? What lame and senseless point is that?
And you don't want to believe if its wrong.
It has NOTHING to do with belief. It has to do with me knowing that women are not slaves to be oppressed by theocratic fundie misogynists.

Please leave your emotional platitudes behind. They are irritating. Please phrase your arguments per facts and logic instead, please.
 
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I don't understand how you think it is right take something that will able to all the things in the world that you even like to do steen. Maybe play football, or write or have a chance to do something like that. People were not meant to get pregnant then have someone go inside them and rip another human from inside them and end its life. People were meant to get pregnant to have babies. Not to get pregnant than kill whats inside them.
 
thapcballa said:
I don't understand how you think it is right take something that will able to all the things in the world that you even like to do steen.
"will be able" is the key word. I would never place anything with a mere potential over the actual woman that is here right now. I see PL mainly as being so focused on the embryo or fetus that you completely ignore the woman, seeing her solely as a self-propelled uterus with no other value as an individual, sentient person.
Maybe play football, or write or have a chance to do something like that.
And maybe bet the next Hitler or Stalin. Yes, the "what-if" guessing game can be very amusing but ultimately is irrelevant.
People were not meant to get pregnant then have someone go inside them and rip another human from inside them and end its life.
Really? They weren't "meant to" have medical procedures?
People were meant to get pregnant to have babies.
I am sure all these women are so grateful for you to assign them such duties. Ultimately, it is none of your business what people do with their own lives; they are not your slaves to control per your personal beliefs and wishes.
Not to get pregnant than kill whats inside them.
Why not? We get cancer and kill the non-sentient tissue that we don't want to use our bodily resources. The embryo or fetus is not that different, it is merely non-sentient, non-sensate tissue using the woman's bodily resources. If she doesn't want that use to take place, she has the right to have that use terminated.

There really isn't anything more to the situation than that.
 
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