I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.
One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hide her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hide it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."
She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.
I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.
What are your thoughts on this?
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.
One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hide her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hide it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."
She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.
I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.
What are your thoughts on this?
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.
One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hid her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hid it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."
She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.
I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.
What are your thoughts on this?
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.
One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hid her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hid it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."
She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.
I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.
What are your thoughts on this?
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.
One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hid her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hid it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."
She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.
I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.
What are your thoughts on this?
What I find mind boggling about many of the prolifers on this board is that it seems it is all about judgment and zero pragmatism.
If a prolifer REALLY cared about drastically reducing abortion they would realize that slut shaming only encourages abortion by stigmatizing premarital sex . Fingerwagging is unhelpful as well for the same reason.
A pragmatic prolifer would have the common sense to know that overturning R v W would do nothing to decrease abortion rates. Abortion pills would become the drug pushers new thing. If people do not thing drug pushers are readily accessible in most towns in the US, they are beyond naïve.
A pragmatic pro-lifer (in my eyes one that REALLY cares about decreasing rates of abortion would realize there are two ways to attack the issue.
1) Prevent pregnancy - the most effective forms of contraception are the long term forms - they are financially inaccessible to those most at risk for choosing abortion (too rich for Medicaid, to poor for insurance)
2)Turn the unwanted pregnancy into a wanted one. This would require a woman having the resources to support her family during pregnancy and decent health insurance to insure her safety. It would also mean her KNOWING she well be able to support her family for the years to come and having safety nets during the hard time.
Number one is much easier (and cheaper!) to achieve. But it would mean getting over the whole slut shaming thing.
zero pragmatism.
Yup! That's how you know the anti-abortion movement is not about saving little unborn humans.
The pro-life movement only supports life before birth. Life after birth is somebody else's problem.
The pro-life movement only supports life before birth. Life after birth is somebody else's problem.
There is a case to be made that pro-choicer's have no problem with pro-lifer's in terms of beliefs. The clash comes when pro-lifer's begin to legally impress their views upon others.
This is not so, and it's time for this old myth to be put to rest.
"They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner and they call her a whore."
Everlast was correct.
And what's even more crazy is Republican parents and their daughters have tons of abortions.
Hell, Trump has probably paid for 20 (then business expensed them).
People like Iron Merc fail to answer the real question. If a woman cannot control her body, her autonomy; if she is forced by law to be an incubation chamber, at great physical, emotional, and financial cost -- how is she not a slave? Do the same people who want to FORCE women to carry children to term also support free healthcare and a broad social safety net? Or are they just concerned about the Bible -- which, by the way, explicitly says that the unborn are not just not equal to developed humans, but actually places a monetary value on them (3-5 silver pieces, depending on gender).
I've quoted myself 'cause I had something to add but had thought of it too late.
The pro-life vs. pro-choice debate is asymmetrical. It is not just a clash of ideologies/beliefs. The pro-choicer's have no way, in a democracy, to force pro-lifer's to conform to their wishes.* Our law court dockets are witness to the reverse.
* Yes, I know. China, etc..
Not sure I understand your post but what I would respond with is that the point of the pro-choice position IS that we would never attempt to make a pro-life pregnant woman conform to our wishes.
There is a case to be made that pro-choicer's have no problem with pro-lifer's in terms of beliefs. The clash comes when pro-lifer's begin to legally impress their views upon others.
I think this is partially accurate.
Here is my take. MOst women who choose abortion lack decent resources. Poor access to medical care, insufficient resources for pregnancy - inability to take time off for pregnancy -even if a doctor orders it because of housing insecurity.
Pro-life might be personal....but it is emphatically a political issue at it's core. It is hard to get elected as a Republican without proclaiming being pro-life (look at Trump....nobody in his right mind believes he is a believer in Pro-life issues - he agrees to vote that way to score votes). So, what it comes down to is these under resourced women who find themselves pregnant...which party fights for them to have a better social safety net? Which party tries to get health care for all - not just those that can afford it?
So...do they care - on an emotional level sure. Do they vote to assure they have quality care once born? Not so much.
Do they spend what's in their own pocketbooks to help those in need have post-natal care? Help to find housing and jobs and provide job training? Yes.
When you feel qualified to make major life decisions for half the population without taking responsibility for them, you're not only judgmental, but entitled.
So, you want play like an adult, then you better have the maturity and resources to deal with the consequences.
I know it's perfectly fine with you that these young women raise kids on the taxpayer dole for the most part.
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