Pro-Lifers at what time limit would you be willing to set abortion? [W:244]

[TiredOfLife]

It's living human tissue, OK?

That's not right either, which is why we call it a fetus. It's neither us nor an organ or tissue.

 

[wbcoleman]

yes that is true
its also human(adj) life

its amazing that you dont even understand that our sentence above is identical to my sentences above meaning wise

ive repeated many times over and over for like 3 years that there is nobody here at DP or probably in america the denies the fact that a ZEF is human(adj) and its living and BOOM, here you are.

Are you really from the US, why do yo deny this fact?

It's living human tissue but it's not a human being and it doesn't have any rights.

 

[mac]

It's living human tissue, OK?

No, it's an organism. Living, growing, developing...with unique DNA.

 

[mac]

Subjective like 'porn' or 'drug'? And we still make laws around it, which is why it very much matters. No person, no murder charge.

Nope. It's not murder because murder is an illegal killing. Abortion is legal, so it's not murder. Period.

 

[mac]

It's living human tissue but it's not a human being and it doesn't have any rights.

It is a human being. Human being is simply synonymous with human, which the ZEF (in humans) certainly is.

 

[AGENT J]

But the zygote has no rights, nor should it.

true a zygote has no rights
and i agree with your opinion that it basically shouldnt, at least no rights at that stage (which lasts about 2-3weeks ) that should ever trump the mothers

 

[TiredOfLife]

Nope. It's not murder because murder is an illegal killing. Abortion is legal, so it's not murder. Period.

That depends upon the timing of the abortion. If it's late enough, murder charges can be brought.

 

[AGENT J]

It's living human tissue but it's not a human being and it doesn't have any rights.

lmao you keep trying this back pedal but im not going to let you do it LMAO

i never said a zygote had rights, i most certainly never said a zygote is factually a human being

so now that you are done with your silly strawmen and failed deflections and lies i will simply ask you to see if youve learned anything and if you will double down on your ignorance and lack of education on this topic.

Is a ZEF human (adj)? yes or no answer is all that is needed

lets see what you do and what type of honesty and integrity you have

 

[TiredOfLife]

It is a human being. Human being is simply synonymous with human, which the ZEF (in humans) certainly is.

When you pick up body parts after a bomb explodes, or what you flush down the toilet, those human but not human beings.

A skyscraper is human, we built it unlike a flower nature grew, but it's not a human being or a person.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

12 weeks seems acceptable to me, it's pretty much like a chicken egg with a yolk until after that.

And then I goggled it to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass, apparently I was so I take back my poll answer.

What your baby looks like -- 12 weeks | BabyCenter

 

[wbcoleman]

That's not right either, which is why we call it a fetus. It's neither us nor an organ or tissue.

At a later stage of development it's a fetus.

 

[AGENT J]

That depends upon the timing of the abortion. If it's late enough, murder charges can be brought.

no it wont be because of the abortion it will be because of murder. this is why there are laws on the books that talk of living fetus after abortion.

the zef living or dying plays no role in abortion, the vast majority of ZEFs do die after abortion because the vast majority are preformed before viability. abortion is to end pregnancy.

see the gosnell trial, he induced birth to fetuses then killed them after they were born.

 

[wbcoleman]

lmao you keep trying this back pedal but im not going to let you do it LMAO

i never said a zygote had rights, i most certainly never said a zygote is factually a human being

so now that you are done with your silly strawmen and failed deflections and lies i will simply ask you to see if youve learned anything and if you will double down on your ignorance and lack of education on this topic.

Is a ZEF human (adj)? yes or no answer is all that is needed

lets see what you do and what type of honesty and integrity you have

What I've learned is that your posts are emphatic but make little sense. I can't even figure out whether I agree or disagree with you. Too foggy.

 

[ChezC3]

None. The only reason any of us are posting here today is because someone let us live past that point in time where some seem to think murder is acceptable.

 

[TiredOfLife]

At a later stage of development it's a fetus.

 

[AGENT J]

12 weeks seems acceptable to me, it's pretty much like a chicken egg with a yolk until after that.

And then I goggled it to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass, apparently I was so I take back my poll answer.

What your baby looks like -- 12 weeks | BabyCenter

interesting, so you make your decision on appearance?
this is more accurate than a drawing


but either way, appearance did it for you so you wouldnt pick any of the stages based on that alone. Thats actually intriguing, why?

 

[AGENT J]

What I've learned is that your posts are emphatic but make little sense. I can't even figure out whether I agree or disagree with you. Too foggy.

thats what i thought another deflection LMAO

i called it

i will ask again to see if you will man up and answer or simply dodge it and run away

Is a ZEF human (adj)? yes or no answer is all that is needed

 

[sawyerloggingon]

interesting, so you make your decision on appearance?
this is more accurate than a drawing
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but either way, appearance did it for you so you wouldnt pick any of the stages based on that alone. Thats actually intriguing, why?

When it starts looking like a baby instead of a blob of goo I start changing my mind on aborting it.

 

[AGENT J]

None. The only reason any of us are posting here today is because someone let us live past that point in time where some seem to think murder is acceptable.

fantasy and fiction is fun

 

[AGENT J]

When it starts looking like a baby instead of a blob of goo I start changing my mind on aborting it.

interesting, did the real life picture change your opinion any?
what baout viablity?
what about if it looks more like a "baby" but its going to kill the mom, is the product of rape, or is going to be severely mentally or physically disabled and or die shortly after birth? how much does appearance matter then

and just to be clear i am not taking any shots at you at all i honestly find this interesting, its something new i havent heard

 

[ChezC3]

fantasy and fiction is fun

you seem to be enjoying yourself...

 

[AGENT J]

you seem to be enjoying yourself...

myself? no not at the moment
your fantasy posts, you betcha

thank you, you are funny

 

[sawyerloggingon]

interesting, did the real life picture change your opinion any?
what baout viablity?
what about if it looks more like a "baby" but its going to kill the mom, is the product of rape, or is going to be severely mentally or physically disabled and or die shortly after birth? how much does appearance matter then

and just to be clear i am not taking any shots at you at all i honestly find this interesting, its something new i havent heard

I can't address all possible scenarios, I'm just saying in the average run of the mill abortion situation when the fetus starts taking a form I start getting queasy about killing it. I do not however think that life begins when an egg is fertilized.

 

[ChezC3]

myself? no not at the moment
your fantasy posts, you betcha

thank you, you are funny

Exactly where was I wrong? Oh, yes, I wasn't.

You are most welcome.

 

[Scrabaholic]

If you believe that the zygote is a human life, then I don't understand your casual willingness to terminate it.

I believe it is human life but that in and of itself does not mean it can't be killed. The death penalty kills human life, yet it is acceptable. Ditto for killing in self defense. Abortion can be considered a form of self defense, given the effects pregnancy has and can have on a woman's body.