Pro Gun extremists are forgetting about the Cartels

[BlueTex]

From possessing a motor vehicle? Not that I'm aware of. In fact, a great deal of the objections to my proposal lean on the assertion that felons shouldn't be prohibited from possessing motor vehicles. But we can fix that.

Playing dumb? Are felons prohibited from buying firearms? Do we require PRIVATE SELLERS determine whether a buyer is a felon? A simple yes or no...

 

[BlueTex]

If you REALLY think that drug cartels come to the US and buy their guns one at a time in Oklahoma you're completely delusional. They are DRUG CARTELS for Pete's sake. They have unlimited cash and long established smuggling operations and would have little trouble buying their guns by the truckload. Absolutely ridiculous.

They have PLENTY of intermediaries who will buy them... Why do you think 70% of the firearms in Mexico come from the US?

 

[RF667799]

Playing dumb? Are felons prohibited from buying firearms? Do we require PRIVATE SELLERS determine whether a buyer is a felon? A simple yes or no...

Yes, in my state private sellers have to call the state police. I believe it is illegal in any state to knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person. Do you have information that differs from this?

I think private sellers should be required to comply with a criminal background check for both guns and motor vehicles.

 

[Glitch]

Pro Gun extremists are forgetting about the Cartels. That is the problem I have with them. They are coming over the border, often through checkpoints, buying a gun in a very gun loose state like Oklahoma or Arizona and they go right back through the checkpoint. A background check delays that or even stops it.

How is that the problem of the US?

If they are buying firearms in the US and then transporting them illegally into Mexico then it is the problem for Mexican law enforcement. It is no different than if sometime tried to bring a handgun from the US into Canada. It is not a problem for the US, it is a problem for Canadian law enforcement.

So you think that because Mexico is either incapable or unwilling to enforce its own laws that the rights of Americans should be infringed? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

 

[Andyh2299]

How is that the problem of the US?

If they are buying firearms in the US and then transporting them illegally into Mexico then it is the problem for Mexican law enforcement. It is no different than if sometime tried to bring a handgun from the US into Canada. It is not a problem for the US, it is a problem for Canadian law enforcement.

So you think that because Mexico is either incapable or unwilling to enforce its own laws that the rights of Americans should be infringed? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

If it's bought on our soil we have every reason to intercept them

 

[Glitch]

If it's bought on our soil we have every reason to intercept them

No, we do not.

The Second Amendment protects their right to keep and bear arms. Unless they have been convicted of a felony, they have every right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment doesn't just protect US citizens. It protects the people - all the people - including illegal alien alleged cartel members.

 

[Andyh2299]

The Second Amendment doesn't just protect US citizens.

Don't be ridiculous. The 2nd amendment was created do citizens can form militias to fight for a free state. The Militia Act defined organized militia as the National Guard and the unorganized militia, the citizen body.

No, we do not.

The Drug cartels have been are problem, worsening the migrant crisis, poisoning our citizens. It is a good way to decrease their power

 

[natman]

LOL.. Your OWN article doesnt say they are buying full-auto M-4s in Columbia either..

What is DOES say is they are turning siuth since Mexico is putting more effort into guns coning from the UNITED STATES.

While the Mexican government is trying to win a historic first-of-its-kind lawsuit against top US gun manufacturers over the flow of arms across Mexico’s northern border, Mexican criminal organizations are starting to use a new route to get a new kind of weapon.

The only thing more ridiculous than the notion that the Mexican government's lawsuit had any influence over where Mexican cartels acquired their guns is the Mexican government's lawsuit itself. It was dismissed by a Federal judge to nobody's surprise.

This entire topic is absurd. I'll cap it off with the fact that if every gun in Mexico and the US was banned, the drug Cartels would be the last on earth to give up theirs.

 

[Glitch]

Don't be ridiculous. The 2nd amendment was created do citizens can form militias to fight for a free state. The Militia Act defined organized militia as the National Guard and the unorganized militia, the citizen body.

Where are you getting that ridiculous nonsense?

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. The National Guard are federal troops under the Department of Defense and have absolutely nothing to do with militias of any kind. The Second Amendment was created to ensure that the States also had the constitutional authority to establish their own State militias - prior to the Second Amendment the federal government had a monopoly on the militia - and to acknowledge the inherent right of every individual to keep and bear arms completely independent of any militia.

The Drug cartels have been are problem, worsening the migrant crisis, poisoning our citizens. It is a good way to decrease their power

Then I would suggest you get Biden to actually enforce existing immigration law and stop allowing the Mexican cartels from entering the US illegally.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Pro Gun extremists are forgetting about the Cartels. That is the problem I have with them. They are coming over the border, often through checkpoints, buying a gun in a very gun loose state like Oklahoma or Arizona and they go right back through the checkpoint.

No they aren't. That is leftist fiction.

The drug cartels get full-auto AK-47s direct from the Venezuelan government.

The drug cartels get most of their other weapons from corrupt officers in the Mexican Army.

A background check delays that or even stops it.

OK, well. We have a background check system in place.

So, problem solved then, if it even existed?

 

[Glitch]

No they aren't. That is leftist fiction.

The drug cartels get full-auto AK-47s direct from the Venezuelan government.

The drug cartels get most of their other weapons from corrupt officers in the Mexican Army.



OK, well. We have a background check system in place.

So, problem solved then, if it even existed?

Not entirely fiction. Let's not forget about AG Holden under Obama, and his Fast & Furious operation that specifically sold thousands of US firearms to Mexican cartels - intentionally.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Agreed.
Liberals think the cartels are arming themselves with semi-automatic sporting rifles via straw purchases in the US. More than likely the Cartels are getting fully automatic M-4s and AKs from either corrupt military and police in a Mexico or smuggled in from other countries such as Colombia or Venezuela.
Liberals like to blame all the world’s problems on the US.

No need to smuggle from Venezuela.

The Venezuelan government sells full-auto AK-47s directly to drug cartels.


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Why do you think 70% of the firearms in Mexico come from the US?

I think that it isn't true that 70% of the guns in Mexico come from the US.

 

[Willie Orwontee]

Why do you think 70% of the firearms in Mexico come from the US?

Obunghole said it was 90% . . . Did he lie (yes) and you are spewing the current antigunner bullshit that has been revised down?

Understand that whatever the number is, that it only represents the percentage of those guns with serial numbers that were submitted to ATF for tracing . . . Guns made in other nations not intended for the US marketplace, may not have serial numbers and thus would not be submitted to the ATF for tracing.

And the most important point is that those traces didn't necessarily need to point to regular gun store retail sales from US federally licensed gun DEALERS to make the point, they just needed to simply be traced back to the USA . . .

The Obama admin helped that along in 2009 by increasing ten-fold the number of AR's sent to the Mexican government authorities through direct sales approved by the State Department.

Legal U.S. gun sales to Mexico arming cartels

Direct commercial sales of U.S. firearms - skirting Pentagon approval - may be worse than "Fast and Furious" for diverting weapons to criminals

www.cbsnews.com

It is obvious that the combination of Fast and Furious and the increase in direct sales (knowing that 26% of the guns transferred to the GOM were being diverted to the cartels) had as an intention, the placing of tens of thousands of guns sourced from US gun manufacturers, into the hands of narco-terrorist cartels . . . All to support gun control laws on US citizens.

One can't surmise much else.

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[CLAX1911]

Is there a federal or state requirement in Oklahoma to identify the purchaser of a firearm if the seller is not an FFL holder?

And if they don't what happens? You can't even reliably say how many times this happens because first you have no idea who owns a gun you have no idea who's buying it from who.

 

[Michael McMahon]

These horror movies aren't scary at all. Did the scream killer not hear about the AR-15?


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[Michael McMahon]

Pro Gun extremists are forgetting about the Cartels. That is the problem I have with them. They are coming over the border, often through checkpoints, buying a gun in a very gun loose state like Oklahoma or Arizona and they go right back through the checkpoint. A background check delays that or even stops it.

Many people fear death not because they're cowardly but simply because they don't have a coherent interpretation of their faith. God isn't a democracy. God made China and America but that doesn't mean every other country has to live in metaphysical servitude of such superpowers. If God made a country then it still doesn't mean God endorses that country in any direct way. If the majority of a population are apathetic to the security of others then the minority should be mature enough to defend themselves with reserve police officers.

 

[Michael McMahon]

How is that the problem of the US?

If they are buying firearms in the US and then transporting them illegally into Mexico then it is the problem for Mexican law enforcement. It is no different than if sometime tried to bring a handgun from the US into Canada. It is not a problem for the US, it is a problem for Canadian law enforcement.

So you think that because Mexico is either incapable or unwilling to enforce its own laws that the rights of Americans should be infringed? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

Unlike an illegal immigrant a rifle can be catapulted over the border fence.

 

[Michael McMahon]

No, we do not.

The Second Amendment protects their right to keep and bear arms. Unless they have been convicted of a felony, they have every right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment doesn't just protect US citizens. It protects the people - all the people - including illegal alien alleged cartel members.

A nude gun check is always more secure than a metal detector!

 

[Glitch]

A nude gun check is always more secure than a metal detector!

Unlike an illegal immigrant a rifle can be catapulted over the border fence.

I'm not interested in your incoherent and irrelevant ravings.

 

[Michael McMahon]

I'm not interested in your incoherent and irrelevant ravings.

The federal military doesn't have to enforce martial law. This could be achieved by the national guard and state militia. Hence Americans shouldn't fear soldier patrols.

 

[Michael McMahon]

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[jamesrage]

Pro Gun extremists are forgetting about the Cartels. That is the problem I have with them. They are coming over the border, often through checkpoints, buying a gun in a very gun loose state like Oklahoma or Arizona and they go right back through the checkpoint. A background check delays that or even stops it.

We are responsible for what comes through to our side of the border. Mexican is responsible for what comes through their side of the border.Mexico's criminals getting guns does not justify infringing on our rights even more. If the Mexican government has a problem with cartel members bringing in guns from other countries then the Mexican government needs to do a better job of securing their side of the border. Barrack Obama aready tried that trick of " the cartels are getting guns on our side of the border" as a means to try to shit on the 2nd amendment. You should look up the ATF gun walking scandal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal The people weren't fooled by Obama and the ATF of putting guns into the hands of the cartels and then trying to use that as an excuse to try to shit on the 2nd amendment.

 

[Michael McMahon]

We are responsible for what comes through to our side of the border. Mexican is responsible for what comes through their side of the border.Mexico's criminals getting guns does not justify infringing on our rights even more.

The border wall isn't bulletproof to stop armed trespassers.

 

[jamesrage]

The border wall isn't bulletproof to stop armed trespassers.

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Which is why you have an adaquate amount of guards with those border walls. The only people who seem to think that once the walls are up then guards are not needed are illegal alien testicle lickers who are against actually securing the border. Walls and fences around prisons, Joe Biden's personal residence, mansions and other places with walls and fences are useless if there are no guards around. Which is why prisons have guards as well as the homes of presidents, celebrities and other elites.

 

[Michael McMahon]

Which is why you have an adaquate amount of guards with those border walls. The only people who seem to think that once the walls are up then guards are not needed are illegal alien testicle lickers who are against actually securing the border. Walls and fences around prisons, Joe Biden's personal residence, mansions and other places with walls and fences are useless if there are no guards around. Which is why prisons have guards as well as the homes of presidents, celebrities and other elites.

The OP's video mentioned the cartels owning thousands of 50 caliber snipers. A shot from these would most likely break open the fence. Moreover prisoners are unarmed. So border guards would somehow have to be in bunkers to defend against sniper fire. Any observer over the American border could give away the positions of border guards to the Mexican cartels.