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Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

I think that this would make a nice subject for a debate in this seldom used part of DP “is Obama a closet socialist “.

Any “conservative” takers? :confused:

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Please, I ask again, be original. That tried old tactic was dead after the civil war. There is no socialist agenda. That is make believe and a pruely partisan attack effort.

So they should not do what the said they would when campaigning? That makes no sense
 
So they should not do what the said they would when campaigning? That makes no sense

I don't know what you're talking about, but there is no socialist agenda, state or otherwise. Be original in your fear mongering. This is a very unoriginal tactic.
 
I don't know what you're talking about, but there is no socialist agenda, state or otherwise. Be original in your fear mongering. This is a very unoriginal tactic.

LOL, you really this naive or is this an act? Do you know what incrementalism is? Think that the Obama healthcare program will succeed by free enterprise standards? Obama knows that the healthcare program he put together with the other socialists in Congress will not succeed and will drive private healthcare out of business and force the public to demand a public sector which was the goal in the first place. Obama's goal is to have private businesses fail and when they do, govt. will be there to once again "save" the American people from the evils of capitalism.
 
I think that this would make a nice subject for a debate in this seldom used part of DP “is Obama a closet socialist “.

Any “conservative” takers? :confused:

Battle Grounds and Disputations

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I don't know what you're talking about, but there is no socialist agenda, state or otherwise. Be original in your fear mongering. This is a very unoriginal tactic.

I am saying those elected have a mandate to do what they campaigned on such as getting rid of Obamacare
 
I'm not wrong. Factually, we are not a socialism and nothing Obama is doing makes or moves toward being a socialism. Reread the definition of socialism.

As stated, wake up, no one is going to directly take this country into socialism as it is going to take time. I asked you if you understand the term incrementalism, how about looking it up and then comparing that to what is actually happening. Are you really this naive or is it just an act?
 
I am saying those elected have a mandate to do what they campaigned on such as getting rid of Obamacare

As many people actually like what is Obama care, they may be less happy than you knw when it is gone. That's the trouble with misleading like so many did. Let people know that we'll go back to not having pre-existing conditions covered, or having children not covered, for example, and see how that flies. It's easy to get suport through misleading, but harder to hide the results of your actions later on.

BTW, you move here was a topic change. I don't mind, but it gets confusing when you don't signal that you're going to change the topic.
 
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As many people actually like what is Obama care, they may be less happy than you knw when it is gone. That's the trouble with misleading like so many did. Let people know that we'll go back to not having pre-existing conditions covered, or having children not covered, for example, and see how that flies. It's easy to get suport through misleading, but harder to hide the results of your actions later on.

BTW, you move here was a topic change. I don't mind, but it gets confusing when you don't signal that you're going to change the topic.

You don't have to pass this monstrosity to get the things you think are important. Healthcare costs are going up all over the country because of this POS and it is a POS that has no hope of improving quality, quantity, and lowering costs. You live in a dream world. What happens when you are proven wrong?
 
As many people actually like what is Obama care, they may be less happy than you knw when it is gone. That's the trouble with misleading like so many did. Let people know that we'll go back to not having pre-existing conditions covered, or having children not covered, for example, and see how that flies. It's easy to get suport through misleading, but harder to hide the results of your actions later on.

BTW, you move here was a topic change. I don't mind, but it gets confusing when you don't signal that you're going to change the topic.

I stayed on the topic we had been discussing that the GOP has a mandate to do what they said they would
 
I stayed on the topic we had been discussing that the GOP has a mandate to do what they said they would

Seems we were talking about the poor tried old tactic of fearmiongering folks as socialist. You started calling him a socialist, which is false.

But, as people are divided concerning what needs to be done with healthcare, as I showed you states on, those new leaders may not knwo exactly what their mandate is. If 1/3 want it repealed, and 1/3 want more added, and 1/3 want it as it is, exactly what is their mandate?
 
Seems we were talking about the poor tried old tactic of fearmiongering folks as socialist. You started calling him a socialist, which is false.

But, as people are divided concerning what needs to be done with healthcare, as I showed you states on, those new leaders may not knwo exactly what their mandate is. If 1/3 want it repealed, and 1/3 want more added, and 1/3 want it as it is, exactly what is their mandate?

Boo, from watching your posts over the last few months I don't think you have a clue how to run a business nor any idea as to the costs of running a business. Businesses are there to make a profit. You are employed by someone who has to make a profit to pay you. When costs go up either the consumer has to pay for it or the company does with fewer employees. The Obama healthcare bill is a job killer and businesses aren't going to take the costs increases without affecting employment. You call that a scare tactic? I call it reality and coming from someone who actually ran a business.
 
The Obama healthcare bill is a job killer and businesses aren't going to take the costs increases without affecting employment. You call that a scare tactic? I call it reality and coming from someone who actually ran a business.

Nonsense... The only things that affect a going business are people not buying, reliability, SS, overhead, expansion, overstocking, R and D, competitive prices, and since all companies with 20 or more employees will be forced to add medical coverage at the same rate, all will be equally affected, and all will raise prices to make up the difference.

Whether it means lay offs or not, is up to the employer who has many more cost effected things to consider than just higher health costs.

As a former business owner yourself, you must know that all phases of the operation are subject to costly changes anytime, anywhere, so why don't you be honest about it?

ricksfolly
 
Nonsense... The only things that affect a going business are people not buying, reliability, SS, overhead, expansion, overstocking, R and D, competitive prices, and since all companies with 20 or more employees will be forced to add medical coverage at the same rate, all will be equally affected, and all will raise prices to make up the difference.

Whether it means lay offs or not, is up to the employer who has many more cost effected things to consider than just higher health costs.

As a former business owner yourself, you must know that all phases of the operation are subject to costly changes anytime, anywhere, so why don't you be honest about it?

ricksfolly

You really are naive when it comes to running a business, the highest cost of running a business is payroll and anything that drives up payroll affects jobs. Someone has to pay those costs either the employer absorbs them if competition won't allow the pass through or the business will cut employees. That is a fact. Businesses are looking at any way they can to lower costs and what Obama healthcare is going to do is cause them to drop coverage or drop employees. Businesses all over the country are now seeing rate increases for their health coverage and that seems to be the Obama plan, drive these businesses to drop insurance and then have the public demand the public option, another step towards greater dependence and socialism.
 
Seems we were talking about the poor tried old tactic of fearmiongering folks as socialist. You started calling him a socialist, which is false.

But, as people are divided concerning what needs to be done with healthcare, as I showed you states on, those new leaders may not knwo exactly what their mandate is. If 1/3 want it repealed, and 1/3 want more added, and 1/3 want it as it is, exactly what is their mandate?

What matters is what the people that elected them want. The tea party is making progress because people are fed up with democrats.
 
So that mens Obama should give them part ownership?

Who said anything about giving them?

GM is setting up an IPO which anyone can buy a piece. I would expect that if a Chinese auto company tried to buy GM fully they would be blocked by the US government
 
What matters is what the people that elected them want. The tea party is making progress because people are fed up with democrats.

Nope, the tea party got traction because their message was simple, easy to understand by scared people, with IQs of a chimp, looking for any kind of salvation.

ricksfolly
 
Nope, the tea party got traction because their message was simple, easy to understand by scared people, with IQs of a chimp, looking for any kind of salvation.

ricksfolly

Spoken like a true Liberal. You clearly know nothing about the Tea Party except what you're told to think by the Obamedia, like the retards on MSNBC.

The left is so afraid the Tea Party they do nothing but make up one lie after another, and the Media never tells the truth about the wide range of economic, ethnic, and Political Party affiliations of the members.

Like Obama likes to say: "If at first you don't succeed lie, lie, again."

How do you spin the lose of jobs into a positive? Ask any dumb ass like Obama, he'll tell you how it is a positive step in the right direction because we are working the job problem by going in the opposite direction so that when we get all the way around we'll be at the front of the line in stead of at the back, where we are today. And his stupid followers will say oh yea that makes sense.
 
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Spoken like a true Liberal. You clearly know nothing about the Tea Party except what you're told to think by the Obamedia, like the retards on MSNBC.

The left is so afraid the Tea Party they do nothing but make up one lie after another, and the Media never tells the truth about the wide range of economic, ethnic, and Political Party affiliations of the members.

Like Obama likes to say: "If at first you don't succeed lie, lie, again."

How do you spin the lose of jobs into a positive? Ask any dumb ass like Obama, he'll tell you how it is a positive step in the right direction because we are working the job problem by going in the opposite direction so that when we get all the way around we'll be at the front of the line in stead of at the back, where we are today. And his stupid followers will say oh yea that makes sense.

Facts don't matter to an Obama supporter and they do indeed buy what they are told by the Obamamedia. I have asked rickfolly a few questions but like all liberals he ignores them. I have posted examples of the Obama supporters looking for "Obama Stash" and he ignores those as well yet has no problem believing that Tea Party people have the IQ of chimps. I call it liberal arrogance to believe something about someone that you don't even know. T.E.A, (Taxed Enough Already) Party members got it right and I sincerely hope that people like rick continue to "not get it." Another liberal blood bath in 2012.

Fact, rick, 4 million jobs lost since Obama took office and most of them came after the recession ended in JUNE 2009. Fact, rich, we have higher unemployment each month of 2010 than we had in 2009. Fact, rick, 3 trillion added to the debt and what did we get for that debt, 4 million more uninsured Americans. Rick, when are you going to hold Obama accountable for his lies?
 
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