Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

[Montecresto]

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No doubt this and no doubt that.
No doubt.
A GJ is not a Court. It is a body that decides if one will be charged.
And under the known evidence, that is unlikely.


You are talking nonsense. Do try to stay relevant.
Saying according to the known evidence, or under the known evidence is speaking about the known evidence. Duh!
So please tell all these folks you seem to think are farting, how you came to the conclusion that those statements show or even mean I know all the evidence?
Please. Do tell. I have got to here this.
And then continue on to explain how that wording I use got so twisted up in your thoughts that you think it means that Justice begins and ends with me?
Really. Go on and explain it.

Have you ever served on a Grand Jury? Did you know that the GJ will indict a ham sandwich?!

 

[opendebate]

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They're laying down THEIR LAW, intimidating the media now, like they have for the past 40 some years, their city council makes up 7 people, 6 are white, their police force is 53, with 50 whites, what does that tell people? They haven't evolved into accepting that black people can live and walk where ever they want, because they have civil rights too, just like whites do, but they (Ferguson Officials) don't officially recognize blacks, Ferguson has a nasty and dirty history of poor race relations, now, their oppression is rubbing off onto the press. They don't want the truths to be told.

People seem to be jumping to conclusions without knowing anything about the history in this community or having any trace of empathy for citizens that have been mistreated in their own communities for far too long. Instead of looking objectively at the situation the assumption is often made that if they're black they probably did something to warrant being shot. It's hard not to wonder what the reactions would be if these same citizens were primarily white and being subjected to this kind of treatment.

 

[shrubnose]

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The Courts will likely not be involved as the known evidence is in his favor.

You know as much and as little about that as anyone else on this planet.

 

[AJiveMan]

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Well, there's that too. However in a town that's 70% black, I would expect more black people to be stopped. I explained back on page 30 or so what protocol is concerning an autopsy when there could be wrongful death.

Maybe. But this town has fallen way far behind, it has a history of having a racial divide, and when you look at the black population of their city council and police department, it's quite revealing why.

 

[AJiveMan]

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People seem to be jumping to conclusions without knowing anything about the history in this community or having any trace of empathy for citizens that have been mistreated in their own communities for far too long. Instead of looking objectively at the situation the assumption is often made that if they're black they probably did something to warrant being shot. It's hard not to wonder what the reactions would be if these same citizens were primarily white and being subjected to this kind of treatment.

Exactly. Everyone's attention is on something else.

 

[Montecresto]

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Maybe. But this town has fallen way far behind, it has a history of having a racial divide, and when you look at the black population of their city council and police department, it's quite revealing why.

Oh, I know man, and I'm NOT disputing any of that.

 

[tres borrachos]

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They're laying down THEIR LAW, intimidating the media now, like they have for the past 40 some years, their city council makes up 7 people, 6 are white, their police force is 53, with 50 whites, what does that tell people? They haven't evolved into accepting that black people can live and walk where ever they want, because they have civil rights too, just like whites do, but they (Ferguson Officials) don't officially recognize blacks, Ferguson has a nasty and dirty history of poor race relations, now, their oppression is rubbing off onto the press. They don't want the truths to be told.

So how many black people ran for city council? How many black people applied to the police force? How many black people opposed the white mayor?

A city with the racial makeup of Ferguson could easily vote in an all black council, a black mayor, and appoint a black police chief - and have an all black force if they actually apply for the job.

That's the truth to be told. Let me know when you have evidence that blacks have been applying for jobs as police officers in droves but are being turned down.

 

[CanadaJohn]

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AG is partially involved because there's reason to believe the assassinated man's civil rights were violated. 9 out of 10 traffic stops made in Ferguson were black people. The NAACP filed complaints last year.

Not wildly abnormal when you consider the population of Ferguson is upwards of 75% black. But then if your intent is to bellow racism at every turn, you have to grasp at any straw.

 

[Excon]

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You know as much and as little about that as anyone else on this planet.

And again, according to the known evidence it is unlikely.

 

[vesper]

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What is 'wrong' with them releasing the video is that it destroys that image of the cute soft puppy that those invested in making this a violent racial scene (and lets be clear...there are a LOT of 'they' and 'they' are in the media, on this site, out in the streets...'they' are white and black) tried to depict the victim as. It completely destroys the mental image they were trying to create that has people believing the unopposed visual that once there was this poor gentle kid who went to school and loved his mama and was going to go to college and cure polio...and the poor innocent tender little guy was just minding his own business when a eeeevil police man pulled up next to him and then tried to drag a 6'4"300 pound plus man onto his lap in the drivers seat through the drivers window and when that failed he got angry and came out of his car with his weapon drawn and executed the poor guy while he was on his knees with his hands up beggin the lawd please but no, the evil police man shot him from behind. Or...in front. Or...well...somewhere...you know...eyewitness accounts all are different. They DONT want you to see a guy who only moments before the incident committed a violent act of strong armed robbery and was capable of throwing around people not because they were harassing him but because they were trying to prevent him from robbing them.

Its no different with the media blitz that came 45 days after the Trayvon Martin shooting. The narrative was cute little boy who was just soft and cuddly and....LOOK at these pictures of him...he's 12...he has cute little cheeks, and he....wait...what are you doing. Dont show those pictures! You cant show pictures of who he is TODAY. You cant show pictures from his own Facebook page or reveal that in fact he had a violent recent history and that he was suspended from school for breaking into peoples lockers. That doesnt jive with what we are trying to present. Thats not fair!

Yep. This whole thing is being fueled by a media frenzy that has been very loose in reporting on facts. All this crap about how unfair it was for the police department to release that video of Brown involved in a strong arm robbery just prior to his death is absurd as the police department withheld the video for a week. It was due to the media's feckless reporting painting a completely different picture of Brown for a friggin week that pressured the department in releasing the video. It is understandable to any thinking mind that the police department is waiting for all evidence to be collected and reviewed before commenting on the case while these race baiting yahoos along with the media are doing their best to try and convict the officer in the court of public opinion. It was a damn good thing the officer's friend got his account out early on. It is a damn good thing there were those willing to look for evidence in social media to back up his account. And it is a damn good thing there are 12 witnesses that was verified by a local reporter backing the officer's account. And it is a damn good thing the forensic evidence does not disprove his account. Now here is hoping the names of the witnesses remain confidential and do not become public. When dealing with those gang type member types gathering in Ferguson, who they view as snitches end up with stitches.

 

[shrubnose]

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People seem to be jumping to conclusions without knowing anything about the history in this community or having any trace of empathy for citizens that have been mistreated in their own communities for far too long. Instead of looking objectively at the situation the assumption is often made that if they're black they probably did something to warrant being shot.

It's hard not to wonder what the reactions would be if these same citizens were primarily white and being subjected to this kind of treatment

.

Nothing that's going on in Ferguson right now surprises me.

If they don't get some real justice there it might be a long time before there's any real peace there.

People will only take so much abuse before they explode.

 

[AJiveMan]

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Not wildly abnormal when you consider the population of Ferguson is upwards of 75% black. But then if your intent is to bellow racism at every turn, you have to grasp at any straw.

Well, you do realize that it is blacks doing battle with the white establishment in Ferguson and St. Louis County too, don't you?

You do realize that the AG will be investigating to see if Brown's civil rights were violated too?

You do realize that St. Louis county police have stopped blacks in the county and asked them who they were, where they were going, why were they in certain neighborhoods too, don't you?

This has nothing to do with straw, it is real.

Moore, who is black, talks of how he has felt the wrath of the police here and in surrounding suburbs for years -- roughed up during a minor traffic stop and prevented from entering a park when he was wearing St. Louis Cardinals red.

And last week, as he stood at a vigil for an unarmed 18-year-old shot dead by the police -- a shooting that provoked renewed street violence and looting early Saturday -- Moore heard anger welling and listened to a shout of: "We're tired of the racist police department."

"It broke the camel's back," Moore said of the killing of the teenager, Michael Brown. Referring to the northern part of St. Louis County, he continued, "The people in North County -- not just African-Americans, some of the white people, too -- they are tired of the police harassment."

http://www.adn.com/article/20140816/ferguson-cycle-racial-tension-boils-over-rage

 

[Excon]

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Have you ever served on a Grand Jury? Did you know that the GJ will indict a ham sandwich?!

And a prosecutor can get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich is a common saying for a reason.

The DA's presentation to the GJ matters, but not as much as the evidence.
Now if he goes in there with the intent to get an indictment, he will not present all the evidence, nor does he have to. Of course that would likely end up like indicting a ham sandwich. It still wouldn't old mustard in Court. And would be a travesty of Justice.
If the DA goes in there with an honest intent to let the GJ decide by presenting all the evidence, then it is highly unlikely they will return a true bill.

 

[AJiveMan]

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Yep. This whole thing is being fueled by a media frenzy that has been very loose in reporting on facts. All this crap about how unfair it was for the police department to release that video of Brown involved in a strong arm robbery just prior to his death is absurd as the police department withheld the video for a week. It was due to the media's feckless reporting painting a completely different picture of Brown for a friggin week that pressured the department in releasing the video. It is understandable to any thinking mind that the police department is waiting for all evidence to be collected and reviewed before commenting on the case while these race baiting yahoos along with the media are doing their best to try and convict the officer in the court of public opinion. It was a damn good thing the officer's friend got his account out early on. It is a damn good thing there were those willing to look for evidence in social media to back up his account. And it is a damn good thing there are 12 witnesses that was verified by a local reporter backing the officer's account. And it is a damn good thing the forensic evidence does not disprove his account. Now here is hoping the names of the witnesses remain confidential and do not become public. When dealing with those gang type member types gathering in Ferguson, who they view as snitches end up with stitches.

Leaking information in bits and pieces makes it look like the police and the city are willfully hiding something. They were stupid for doing so.

 

[PrometheusBound]

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If You Take the Side of the Blind, You Will Get Blindsided


A video was posted showing Brown's body still on the street. The reactions of the crowd were recorded.

To this mob, suspicion is proof. That attitude of the crowd shown (whether Black, White, or Brown; Muslim, Christian, or Jew---you know the drill) disqualifies them from ever being on a jury. Unless, of course, the justice system is extorted by the mob to get the verdict the mob wants.

We, too, out of fear of being accused of fronting for Stormfront, must follow Netiquette and spin this idiocy as being a rational reaction to terminated street trash (of any color!) surrounded by White police. When it happens in our own neighborhood, we should use this as an instructional video on what to say to the media.

 

[shrubnose]

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And again, according to the known evidence it is unlikely.

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to, and which I and a lot of other people (Including the person who sits as the judge on this case.) will ignore

 

[ocean515]

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Nothing that's going on in Ferguson right now surprises me.

If they don't some real justice there it might be a long time before there's any real peace there.

People will only take so much abuse before they explode.

Meanwhile back where they pulled the nations focus from, illegal aliens continue to stream over the border, anxious for a slice of the American Dream the Obama Administration marketed, and paid for by abandoned promises to the poor minorities who don't matter to Progressives any more.

I'm wondering where this "explosion" the left is ginning up is supposed to lead?

 

[CanadaJohn]

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I don't know how things work in the US or the State of Missouri in particular, but here in Ontario, Canada we have a Special Investigation Unit, independent of the various police departments, whose sole responsibility is to investigate any incident where a civilian is injured or killed while interacting with police. They immediately step in and begin an investigation, identifying a suspect officer or officers and also witness officers. These officers are required under law to cooperate with the independent investigation although any suspect officer is given access to legal representation and is afforded the rights any other suspect would. Following the Special Investigation Unit's review, they may lay charges against any officer for conduct deemed to be outside the law and beyond reasonable exercise of force.

Seems to me that there's a lot of concern here that Ferguson officials are going to conspire to protect this officer and keep him from being charged. The process we have here completely removes the local police department and even provincial and/or federal police from any part of investigating a subject officer's conduct and potential crimes/charges. The police are often not pleased with this process - not a bad thing - but it is rare for the public to be distrusting of this process and the integrity of those involved. Such a process would avoid the Governor of the State getting involved and also avoid having the Federal Attorney General grandstanding for political reasons.

 

[AJiveMan]

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I don't know how things work in the US or the State of Missouri in particular, but here in Ontario, Canada we have a Special Investigation Unit, independent of the various police departments, whose sole responsibility is to investigate any incident where a civilian is injured or killed while interacting with police. They immediately step in and begin an investigation, identifying a suspect officer or officers and also witness officers. These officers are required under law to cooperate with the independent investigation although any suspect officer is given access to legal representation and is afforded the rights any other suspect would. Following the Special Investigation Unit's review, they may lay charges against any officer for conduct deemed to be outside the law and beyond reasonable exercise of force.

Seems to me that there's a lot of concern here that Ferguson officials are going to conspire to protect this officer and keep him from being charged. The process we have here completely removes the local police department and even provincial and/or federal police from any part of investigating a subject officer's conduct and potential crimes/charges. The police are often not pleased with this process - not a bad thing - but it is rare for the public to be distrusting of this process and the integrity of those involved. Such a process would avoid the Governor of the State getting involved and also avoid having the Federal Attorney General grandstanding for political reasons.

That is the big difference between Canada and the USA, a police department in the USA is allowed to have self internal investigations.

 

[MaggieD]

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Nothing that's going on in Ferguson right now surprises me.

If they don't get some real justice there it might be a long time before there's any real peace there.

People will only take so much abuse before they explode.

What is real justice? Indicting law enforcement before all the facts are known? That's not justice. That's a lynching.

If this neighborhood were interested in justice, they wouldn't be destroying it. They're opportunistic animals fueled by a sense of entitlement and a Poor Us mentality that makes me ill.

 

[shrubnose]

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Meanwhile back where they pulled the nations focus from, illegal aliens continue to stream over the border, anxious for a slice of the American Dream the Obama Administration marketed, and paid for by abandoned promises to the poor minorities who don't matter to Progressives any more.

I'm wondering where this "explosion" the left is ginning up is supposed to lead?

Maybe to some justice for the Black Americans who live in Ferguson Missouri.

Would you be opposed to that?

 

[CanadaJohn]

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Well, you do realize that it is blacks doing battle with the white establishment in Ferguson and St. Louis County too, don't you?

You do realize that the AG will be investigating to see if Brown's civil rights were violated too?

You do realize that St. Louis county police have stopped blacks in the county and asked them who they were, where they were going, why were they in certain neighborhoods too, don't you?

I realize a lot of things - mostly, I realize that politicians and political leaders of justice departments grandstanding for public relations points seldom if ever lead to justice being served. I noticed that President Obama stayed on his Martha's Vineyard vacation all last week while ISIS was rampaging and Gaza was under siege and yet when things got a little dicey in Ferguson, he hopped on a plane back to DC so he could confer with Eric Holder and Justice officials about what the federal role in Ferguson should be. Obama's involvement in the professor's fight with the police in New England and Trayvon Martin's death in Florida were such successes, I suppose he now wants to claim Michael Brown could have been his son too.

 

[SheWolf]

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The difference with "black on black crime" and police shooting unarmed African Americans, is the issue of racial profiling and militarized policing. Black on black crime is nothing more than just basic street crime. It's not as complicated of an issue. But when the person being shot by the police is unarmed, that raises a lot of questions about police training and unnecessary force.

We also need to be aware of the risk of PDs covering up, protecting, and continuing to employ officers with question histories of violence. Based on my experience with females of violent crimes, I do believe it is common for police to cover up and try to protect an officer when accused of a crime such as domestic violence, sexual assault, etc. I don't trust police in handling and correctly reprimanding their own officers.

This shouldn't be a "black issue." It's definitely not to me.

What - you mean like the type of gangland murder that happens in every major city across the US that no one in the 'black community' actually gives a flying **** about?

Like those?

I really don't think they care because when any other murder has happened crap like riots and violent protests were not the response - not just in Ferguson - but anywhere. Only when a white cop shoots the occasional minority do people suddenly claim they have issues. Black on black crime? Eh - they don't care.

But really - I think people just want to be wild and out of control - and when a few people had genuine cause for emotional upheaval (the Browne family) and something worthy of investigating everyone else took a dive.

The offenders in the aftermath are just using the suffering of the Brown family to further their desire for mayhem.

 

[Fenton]

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Maybe to some justice for the Black Americans who live in Ferguson Missouri.

Would you be opposed to that?

Yes, the injustice of Looting and Rioting and the destruction of their neighborhood needs to be stopped.

 

[AJiveMan]

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I realize a lot of things - mostly, I realize that politicians and political leaders of justice departments grandstanding for public relations points seldom if ever lead to justice being served. I noticed that President Obama stayed on his Martha's Vineyard vacation all last week while ISIS was rampaging and Gaza was under siege and yet when things got a little dicey in Ferguson, he hopped on a plane back to DC so he could confer with Eric Holder and Justice officials about what the federal role in Ferguson should be. Obama's involvement in the professor's fight with the police in New England and Trayvon Martin's death in Florida were such successes, I suppose he now wants to claim Michael Brown could have been his son too.

Sounds like hyperbole to me.