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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to and I will ignore.
No. It is your opinion that is ignored for being wrong.


You might want to take a look at this article : Grand jury to hear evidence in Michael Brown case | MSNBC
:doh
Why?
I was the first person to make such a topic. Why do you think that is relevant?
Or is it that you too think a GJ who determines if one is charged is somehow a court, when it isn't.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

I read it in the news reports.

What evidence do you have that he didn't have his hands up?

Fill us in.
I have none. I am not making any claims though either
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

The evidence show he couldn't have had his hands up when sot, so where did you get the idea he did have his hands up?




From many news reports.

Where do you get your ideas from?

Were you a 360 degree eye-witness, watching from all sides? If not, you don't know any more than the rest of us know, so cool it.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

From many news reports.

Where do you get your ideas from?

Were you a 360 degree eye-witness, watching from all sides? If not, you don't know any more than the rest of us know, so cool it.

Look at the diagram from the autopsy. If he had his hands up, the bullets could not have entered his arms in the way they did.

Raise your arms and look at which side is facing forward. The bullets went in the other side.

You believe news reports. I look at evidence. Why would I cool anything?
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

From many news reports.

Where do you get your ideas from?

Were you a 360 degree eye-witness, watching from all sides? If not, you don't know any more than the rest of us know, so cool it.

The pathologist who did the autopsy at the request of Brown's family said "We don't know (if he had his hands up)".
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

No. It is your opinion that is ignored for being wrong.



:doh
Why?
I was the first person to make such a topic. Why do you think that is relevant?
Or is it that you too think a GJ who determines if one is charged is somehow a court, when it isn't.




If the grand jury files charges where will this case go?

Get a grip. :roll:
 
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Take a look at this.

Police Shove CNN’s Don Lemon | Ring of Fire

You don't think this might lend a little credibility to the claims that the cops are part of the problem here

The cops are definitely part of the problem with the riots and protests. It's evidently pent-up anger.

But it does not tell us anything about Wilson's character.
 

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The cops are definitely part of the problem with the riots and protests. It's evidently pent-up anger.

But it does not tell us anything about Wilson's character
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We may learn something about that if this ends up in court.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

If the grand jury files charges where will this case go?
That's odd, as I am sure that was made clear to you.
It would be where it doesn't belong. Which will then be a travesty of Justice.

But I doubt there is any worry of that happening as the evidence is pretty clear.
 
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We may learn something about that if this ends up in court.

I agree.
My point is that it is unfair to make assertions about Wilson's character at this moment in time, and thus reach the ridiculous conclusion that Wilson executed Brown in cold blood after he had surrendered, based on the corruption of the police department to which he belongs.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

You are not making any sense.

It should not be going through the Courts at all. What do you not understand about that? Or is it that you think a GJ is a Court?
I can assure you it isn't. All that is, is asking the People through a jury to decided if he should be charged with a crime. Nothing ironic there.

So on to the next.


If it makes it that far (a court) it will already have been a travesty of Justice.
Is this what you do not understand?
If so, why?
If a case shouldn't be going through the courts as stated above, it making it to the Courts would be a travesty of Justice.


So please explain where you see Irony?

No doubt there will be a grand jury, and more. The grand jury and other investigations will assemble the facts and determine if the facts warrant further actions, some of which can be legal action against, or the arrest of, Officer Wilson and/or members of the Ferguson Police Department or more.

You apparently believe you have ALL the facts and believe that you alone are the arbiter of truth. You seem to believe that justice begins and ends with you. :roll:

You'll pardon the rest of us while we fart in your general direction.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

That is another weird thing about this second autopsy. When that autopsy was conducted Brown had already been embalmed and prepped for burial. How thoroughly was the body cleaned before that second autopsy?

I said this a couple of days ago and was told, assuredly, that if the body was cleaned during or after the first autopsy that would be tampering with evidence. However, it seems logical to me that to do a thorough examination of the entire body, the body would have to be cleaned up at some point or parts of the skin surface would not be visible. I'm with you on this point, to hell with those claiming conspiracy.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

I said this a couple of days ago and was told, assuredly, that if the body was cleaned during or after the first autopsy that would be tampering with evidence. However, it seems logical to me that to do a thorough examination of the entire body, the body would have to be cleaned up at some point or parts of the skin surface would not be visible. I'm with you on this point, to hell with those claiming conspiracy.

That isn't true. The second autopsy was conducted in the funeral home, not the Coroner's office. The body was already released from police custody. There is no tampering with evidence at that point. The chain of custody was broken after the body went to the funeral home. The funeral home had already embalmed the body as stated by Bader, so did they clean the body as well? I am guessing yes.
 

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Cop shootings and self defense shootings don't bring order. Especially in cases where it could be avoided. Speaking generally because this case is not clear yet.
The "A Punk Is a Hunk" Preachers

On the contrary, killing a vicious person like Brown saves the lives of people someone like him probably would have killed if he had lived. We are not allowed to think about that, so you will hear it here for the first time.

Another example: the Thughugger moralism, "Better to let 10 guilty to go free than condemn one innocent man" is illogical; the 10 guilty will be enabled to harm 100 innocent victims. So the score on that is 100 to 1 against the sick masochists who want us to coddle criminals.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

I said this a couple of days ago and was told, assuredly, that if the body was cleaned during or after the first autopsy that would be tampering with evidence. However, it seems logical to me that to do a thorough examination of the entire body, the body would have to be cleaned up at some point or parts of the skin surface would not be visible. I'm with you on this point, to hell with those claiming conspiracy.

If Brown was prepped for burial after autopsy, there's been a breach of protocol. No wonder the AG's stepping in.
 

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Take a look at this.

Police Shove CNN’s Don Lemon | Ring of Fire

You don't think this might lend a little credibility to the claims that the cops are part of the problem here

They're laying down THEIR LAW, intimidating the media now, like they have for the past 40 some years, their city council makes up 7 people, 6 are white, their police force is 53, with 50 whites, what does that tell people? They haven't evolved into accepting that black people can live and walk where ever they want, because they have civil rights too, just like whites do, but they (Ferguson Officials) don't officially recognize blacks, Ferguson has a nasty and dirty history of poor race relations, now, their oppression is rubbing off onto the press. They don't want the truths to be told.
 

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Just Eric Holder as far as I can tell.

So which was it? Do AG's push an agenda, or just AG's at work during democratic presidencies.
 

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That's odd, as I am sure that was made clear to you.
It would be where it doesn't belong. Which will then be a travesty of Justice.

But I doubt there is any worry of that happening as the evidence is pretty clear.




The court(s) will likely make the final decision on that.

Whether you like it or not.

I doubt that they'll be asking for your opinion.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

I know which way the bullets were pointed when they came out of the barrel of the gun.

You claimed that six shots were fired at a surrendering man, which you should know is blatantly false by all reports. Even if you credit that he was surrendering, not all six shots happened subsequently. At least one shot was fired in the car - that may have caused one or more of Brown's wounds - was that in the process of surrender? No need to double down on a falsehood - you could simply have said you misspoke.
 

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If Brown was prepped for burial after autopsy, there's been a breach of protocol. No wonder the AG's stepping in.

AG is partially involved because there's reason to believe the assassinated man's civil rights were violated. 9 out of 10 traffic stops made in Ferguson were black people. The NAACP filed complaints last year.
 

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Just Eric Holder as far as I can tell.

Typical partisan position.
 

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Lmao, you're saying the Ferguson PD has no history of corruption? You sure about that or do I need to post the links again?

Let's start with the fact that the organization seems to enjoy beating suspects:

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast



The fact that it cooks the numbers on its misconduct allegations:

Before Mike Brown Shooting, Ferguson Police Department Had History Of Misconduct Allegations



Then there are the constant and recorded threats by police to reports. The fact that they've released supposedly damning information only to later claim it is not relevant to the shooting itself etc. Yeah, this department is corrupt, that it's protecting one of their own is no shock.

Your argument has about as much credence as contending that since some black people in Ferguson have been convicted of crimes, all black people in Ferguson are criminals and Michael Brown therefore guilty.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

No doubt there will be a grand jury, and more. The grand jury and other investigations will assemble the facts and determine if the facts warrant further actions, some of which can be legal action against, or the arrest of, Officer Wilson and/or members of the Ferguson Police Department or more.
No doubt this and no doubt that.
No doubt.
A GJ is not a Court. It is a body that decides if one will be charged.
And under the known evidence, that is unlikely.


You apparently believe you have ALL the facts and believe that you alone are the arbiter of truth. You seem to believe that justice begins and ends with you. :roll:

You'll pardon the rest of us while we fart in your general direction.
You are talking nonsense. Do try to stay relevant.
Saying according to the known evidence, or under the known evidence is speaking about the known evidence. Duh!
So please tell all these folks you seem to think are farting, how you came to the conclusion that those statements show or even mean I know all the evidence?
Please. Do tell. I have got to here this.
And then continue on to explain how that wording I use got so twisted up in your thoughts that you think it means that Justice begins and ends with me?
Really. Go on and explain it.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

The court(s) will likely make the final decision on that.

Whether you like it or not.

I doubt that they'll be asking for your opinion.
The Courts will likely not be involved as the known evidence is in his favor.
 

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Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

AG is partially involved because there's reason to believe the assassinated man's civil rights were violated. 9 out of 10 traffic stops made in Ferguson were black people. The NAACP filed complaints last year.

Well, there's that too. However in a town that's 70% black, I would expect more black people to be stopped. I explained back on page 30 or so what protocol is concerning an autopsy when there could be wrongful death.
 
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