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Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews than they killed Nazis | National Post

Gross was questioned after multiple complaints were filed with prosecutors by Polish citizens over an article published last year in which Gross said Poles killed more Jews during the German occupation than they killed Germans — a claim that challenges a widespread conviction in Poland that the Polish response to the German terror was almost exclusively honourable.

Gross made the comparison in an article published by Project Syndicate in September critical of how Poland and other Eastern European countries have reacted to the migrant crisis. He decried the region’s opposition to accepting refugees as “heartless” and argued that the attitude is rooted in the region’s “murderous past.”

In the most controversial section, Gross wrote: “Consider the Poles, who, deservedly proud of their society’s anti-Nazi resistance, actually killed more Jews than Germans during the war.”
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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Prison? That's a socialist country for you.

And Bernie Sanders is doing well in an American election.

Yikes.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant. No one should go to prison for saying something someone doesn't like.

Poland has recently started down the rabbit hole and passing laws that trample democracy.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Produce the evidence and have it debated in a scholarly forum. There's no need to have a Professor, wrong or not, defend his or her writing in court.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Prison? That's a socialist country for you.

And Bernie Sanders is doing well in an American election.

Yikes.

Actually, this indicts right-wing populism more than socialism, mate.

Poland’s case against Gross, which also involves a presidential threat to strip him of a state honour, has raised questions about the conservative leadership’s commitment to the freedom of scholarship. Law and Justice, a conservative and nationalistic party that controls both the presidency and parliament, is also centralizing power in a way that has raised concerns about its commitment to democracy more broadly.

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Gross made the comparison in an article published by Project Syndicate in September critical of how Poland and other Eastern European countries have reacted to the migrant crisis. He decried the region’s opposition to accepting refugees as “heartless” and argued that the attitude is rooted in the region’s “murderous past.”
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

We take freedom of speech for granted, until we see the result of it's absence.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant. No one should go to prison for saying something someone doesn't like.

governments that do such things should be overturned or thrown out
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews than they killed Nazis | National Post


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Good for Poland. Someone needs to shut these radical leftists up.

Whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant. No one should go to prison for saying something someone doesn't like.

Why are you being an apologist for criminals?

That's a socialist country for you.

Are you lying or are you ignorant?

Poland is under the control of a great conservative government. They are doing well to shut this left-wing fool up.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Poland has recently started down the rabbit hole and passing laws that trample democracy.

In this point the Poles are only following Germany and other Western European countries, where for similar statements you can also be jailed for years.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Why are you being an apologist for criminals?
Saying something the government doesn't like shouldn't be a crime in the first place.You do realize that in many of these European countries saying something that Islamofacists and homosexuals don't like can land you jail or prison.Do you support someone going to jail or prison because they offended some Muslims or homosexuals?
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

From what I understand right wing and left wing are different in Europe than what right wing and left wing is in the US.You can still be a socialist and considered right wing in Europe.

How Conservative Would British Conservatives Be in the U.S.? - The Wire

That was really really daft. If the Torries is to the left of the Republicans, it's because their whole country is. They should compare the Liberal and Socialist parties for reference.

And in any case, neither the British conservatives nor the Polish ones are socialists. That isn't really a matter of opinion.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

From what I understand right wing and left wing are different in Europe than what right wing and left wing is in the US.You can still be a socialist and considered right wing in Europe.

How Conservative Would British Conservatives Be in the U.S.? - The Wire

This was a conservative government clamping down on dissent in the midst of a Princeton professor denouncing the growth of right-wing populist and nationalist parties for their disdain of immigrants. There's not much to quibble about the exceptionalist qualities of American liberalism or conservatism.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Saying something the government doesn't like shouldn't be a crime in the first place.

Wantonly insulting one's country is in Poland, as it ought to be.

You do realize that in many of these European countries saying something that Islamofacists and homosexuals don't like can land you jail or prison.Do you support someone going to jail or prison because they offended some Muslims or homosexuals?

No. Pandering to obstructive minorities is a harmful thing, which is a reason to support this man's prosecution.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

What does it matter what he said , unless it was a threat of some kind . :shock: It must be a new PC thing the left loves so much .:roll:


Yes, what he said was very hyper-PC. Thankfully, the non-PC Polish government is not letting him go unpunished.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

the actual 'crime' seems to be "publicly insulting the nation"

nationalism truly is a cancer that needs to be destroyed. They have learned nothing from the world wars
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

In this point the Poles are only following Germany and other Western European countries, where for similar statements you can also be jailed for years.

holocaust denial is a crime, but saying "we didn't respond well against nazi germany" is not to my knowledge. He is being persecuted for being critical of his country's actions several decades ago. I mean at what point does this mythical 'fatherland' nonsense stop? "Yeah some jews were lynched here during the 14th century plague"....."Treason!"
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

holocaust denial is a crime, but saying "we didn't respond well against nazi germany" is not to my knowledge. He is being persecuted for being critical of his country's actions several decades ago. I mean at what point does this mythical 'fatherland' nonsense stop? "Yeah some jews were lynched here during the 14th century plague"....."Treason!"

The danger is much less the mythical fatherland stuff. It is forbidding idiots and other citizens from speaking their minds.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

His statement is vicious nonsense, but it hardly qualifies as a criminal offense, by any Polish or European laws. The populist, xenophobic party of Jaroslaw Kaczynski that is in power now may attempt to make another "patriotic" cause out of this incident, but I don't see how actual prosecution could proceed.
 
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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Prison? That's a socialist country for you.

And Bernie Sanders is doing well in an American election.

Yikes.

Poland is anything but a socialist country in that sense. Or at least it was until the last October. The populist, socially conservative and economically socialist party Law and Justice has power right now, and pulling the country back into barbarity, but a prison term for making controversial statements? - Not gonna happen.
 

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Re: Princeton professor faces three years in jail for saying Poles killed more Jews t

Poland is under the control of a great conservative government.

They are nothing of the sort. Rather, populist demagogues, a mix of Trump and Sanders with a dollop of religious obscurantism on the top. And great defenders of the welfare state of those awful, awful pro-American neoliberals.
 
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