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Yet, the same person who said people are too easily offended, threw a tantrum when the image was posted.
I wasn't trying to offend you, I was wondering if that was the one you were talking about, and thought it would be easier to post it instead of trying to explain it.
Anyways, the fact that you're offended by that is the entire point of the work. Serrano always juxtaposes the beautiful with the repulsive/taboo. His point is that there is beauty even in the most ugly things, and that if you look beyond your boundaries you can see that. You're so bound up in your own limitations that you are unable to appreciate that photo for what it is.
I actually think that picture is beautiful.
Yeah but you are an athiest:lol:.
I cannot appreciate that photo in any way. It is just offensive. But I also understand that this was his intent. But I find nothing artistic about it.
Interesting.Yeah and I know you know there is a difference between agnostic and atheist hehe.
I believe mankind does not have the capability of understanding the universe, yet there is something out there that has yet been explained.
I do believe believe that some higher power or powers created the universe, I just don't believe the majority of mankind understands it via their man made religions.
His intent is not to offend. His intent is to challenge your boundaries. It is your choice on whether you choose to open up your mind or become offended. That is why Serrano's art is so powerful.
I rather like my self imposed boundaries.
I rather like my self imposed boundaries. They keep me from wading in crucifix populated ****. So sue me?
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His intent is not to offend. His intent is to challenge your boundaries. It is your choice on whether you choose to open up your mind or become offended. That is why Serrano's art is so powerful.
This I agree with. If a religion cannot stand scrutiny or ridicule then it is my opinion that the religion does not deserve a place of honor or seriousness.
There will ALWAYS be people that question or ridicule a religion and the reaction that is receives determine how serious it needs to be taken.
If some religion is determined that noone can ridicule it or question it, then it is of my opinion that religion doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
If a religion is so called true and just, then ridiculing it or questioning it should have no waver on the truth it brings.
And that's exactly why I said, on the very first page, that I will encourage heresy but I cannot tolerate blasphemy. It's like the difference between ridiculing the expression versus ridiculing the sacred ideal.
Your not challenging god, your being offensive to the spiritual beliefs of other people.Why not blasphemy as well? I see nothing wrong with challenging God, especially since he gave us the ability to do so. I hoped that by challenging God he would set me straight... I'm still waiting.
Why not blasphemy as well? I see nothing wrong with challenging God, especially since he gave us the ability to do so. I hoped that by challenging God he would set me straight... I'm still waiting.
Your not challenging god, your being offensive to the spiritual beliefs of other people.
It is common decency.
How am I being offensive to the spiritual beliefs of others?
I think maybe that's the difference between humanism and faith. I won't do anything that challenges my own faith in God because I believe that the ideal that is God transcends such challenges.
I would like to believe that. I think a lot of Christians have this misconceived notion that atheists simply don't want to believe in God. I would love to know that God exists. The problem is that I am such a logical individual that the lack of compelling evidence keeps me from becoming a believer. It also doesn't help that most of the Christians I have encountered are far from Christ-like.
Meh. What's the big deal?
I though this was already done, this boundary was already crossed, the taboo broken.
In the 80's. By Madonna.
I think the Madonna thing went a bit further, actually, if you are talking about the "Like a Prayer" video. While it didn't bother me at all, I kind of see where people might get a little bothered by her tonguing St Barnabas with burning crosses in the background. LOL
Ah; I had pretty much lost touch with her by that time.
I had the "Like a Virgin" album; she was the hero of prepubescent catholic schoolgirls everywhere.
I didn't really pay much attention to her after 1984; we diverged and went our separate ways when she shot to the top of the pop charts and I started liking more alternative, counterculture stuff.
article here
Two reactions to this:
1. She is one beautiful woman.
2. The timing of the picture (the time of the Feast of the Our Lady of Guadelupe, the Patroness of the Americas - a feast day in the US and other Western Hemisphere countries - and incidently the namesake of the church I attend in Taiwan) as well as during the Advent season is troubling, especially given the SPanish title on the magazine and the clothing/atmosphere of the picture. I would regard this as mildly offensive.
Meh. What's the big deal?
I though this was already done, this boundary was already crossed, the taboo broken.
In the 80's. By Madonna.
I wish I had jumped ship before seeing what a trainwreck she's become since about the Ray of Light album. :mrgreen:
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