Priceless... Andrea Mitchell's reaction to the facts really says it all

brothern said:

Lesson?

Us liberals / libertarians don't believe in the police state, where there's an ever pervasive threat to your life if you disobey a government official.

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brothern said:

Ferguson.

The problem with you conservatives is that "big government" seems to only be defined as the taxman at your door, but not the trigger-happy, taxpayer funded cop that put another person dead in the ground for cigarillos and rosy-cheeks.

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If you attack a police officer you dramatically increase your chances of being shot.

brothern said:

Ferguson.

The problem with you conservatives is that "big government" seems to only be defined as the taxman at your door, but not the trigger-happy, taxpayer funded cop that put another person dead in the ground for cigarillos and rosy-cheeks.

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Are you saying that urban dwellers aren't paying individual income taxes or their fare share in taxes but since most blacks are shot down by other "trigger happy" blacks with guns that the tax payers didn't pay for that's not an issue ?

Jack Hays said:

If you attack a police officer you dramatically increase your chances of being shot.

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Six times?

pbrauer said:

Six times?

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As many times as it takes.

pbrauer said:

Six times?

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Law enforcement are trained to keep shooting until the target is down and no longer a threat. If the officer were have been carrying a mans gun like a .45 instead of a pea shooter, maybe only two rounds would have been fired ?

Fearandloathing said:

Mornin' my friend. I don't know how you arrive at that. The flip side of a hyper focus on race is usually integration. From this vantage point there already is segregation, if not through concentrated neighborhoods then at least a growing cultural divide.

It is astonishing to me that a national broadcaster would use such language as "they don't want....", the they being blacks, period. It may be that I live in the most integrated city in the Americas, but a broadcaster who used such sweeping generalizations about a race of people. Furthermore, she, like so many progressives advancing an agenda, exaggerates....neither "all white police force" nor "all black neighborhood" is true.

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Well, if one goes with an all black police force for all black neighborhoods and then the same for whites and Latinos. Then comes the problems with segregation.

Fearandloathing said:

Mornin' my friend. I don't know how you arrive at that. The flip side of a hyper focus on race is usually integration. From this vantage point there already is segregation, if not through concentrated neighborhoods then at least a growing cultural divide.

It is astonishing to me that a national broadcaster would use such language as "they don't want....", the they being blacks, period. It may be that I live in the most integrated city in the Americas, but a broadcaster who used such sweeping generalizations about a race of people. Furthermore, she, like so many progressives advancing an agenda, exaggerates....neither "all white police force" nor "all black neighborhood" is true.

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Understand just what it is you are asking for: Only 12% of the population of the US is black. And sadly, not very many of them grow up thinking they want to be a police force. When you have that sort of situation, it's understandable to see why there are so many white police officers. I mean, if your a big city like NYC or LA, you could afford to recruit nationally. But for these small areas like Ferguson, they may not have that luxury. The segregation party comes in when you tell a black officer that he can only work in black neighborhoods, when that may no be where he wants to work.

Hamster Buddha said:

Understand just what it is you are asking for: Only 12% of the population of the US is black. And sadly, not very many of them grow up thinking they want to be a police force. When you have that sort of situation, it's understandable to see why there are so many white police officers. I mean, if your a big city like NYC or LA, you could afford to recruit nationally. But for these small areas like Ferguson, they may not have that luxury. The segregation party comes in when you tell a black officer that he can only work in black neighborhoods, when that may no be where he wants to work.

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We're speaking for all American blacks here, or do you have some figures to back up your theory, which is absolute rot by the way. You may want to look at military service enrollments and redirect your thinking. You may also want to see the ratio of blacks applying who don't make it. The have a look at the enormous education problem in the inner city, poverty etc.

MMC said:

Well, if one goes with an all black police force for all black neighborhoods and then the same for whites and Latinos. Then comes the problems with segregation.

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Sorry, I have not said that in any way, in fact the reverse.

Frankly I have no idea why your cops ride solo in the cities there. Two man crews fix a lot of problems. And with that when minorities see their kind working in the force, alongside other races, they are more likely to identify the badge as help rather than a threat. I go back to the thread on the US losing ground in people's security. If the police are seen as a potential threat, it doesn't matter what ****ing color they are, they will get resistance. The man who invented policing, Sir Robert Peal - "Bobbies" said the ability of the police was wholly contingent on the support of the people. In other words if you're only bashing heads, you will become an adversary to more than just the criminal element.

Frankly, I don't think it's race so much as the fact your municipal police have lost sight of the "serve" thing, and "protect" now means you roll out military grade war machines which were intended to fight terrorists, making 'the people' terrorists.

Where is the community policing? Where do blacks have a chance to interface with cops generally when they aren't in distress? Maybe if there was more community relevance there would be less fear, which always means less anger.

As an aside, the Vancouver Police Department stages block parties during the summer. I suggest that when people have shared a hot dog and a coke, they may feel differently about 'the cops". But then they also provide security for the open marijuana events.


One thing that HAS to stop...is, if it's still on, is the TV show "Cops". Every week every white adult in America gets to see a continuous string of low life blacks being arrested.

Fearandloathing said:

Sorry, I have not said that in any way, in fact the reverse.

Frankly I have no idea why your cops ride solo in the cities there. Two man crews fix a lot of problems. And with that when minorities see their kind working in the force, alongside other races, they are more likely to identify the badge as help rather than a threat. I go back to the thread on the US losing ground in people's security. If the police are seen as a potential threat, it doesn't matter what ****ing color they are, they will get resistance. The man who invented policing, Sir Robert Peal - "Bobbies" said the ability of the police was wholly contingent on the support of the people. In other words if you're only bashing heads, you will become an adversary to more than just the criminal element.

Frankly, I don't think it's race so much as the fact your municipal police have lost sight of the "serve" thing, and "protect" now means you roll out military grade war machines which were intended to fight terrorists, making 'the people' terrorists.

Where is the community policing? Where do blacks have a chance to interface with cops generally when they aren't in distress? Maybe if there was more community relevance there would be less fear, which always means less anger.

As an aside, the Vancouver Police Department stages block parties during the summer. I suggest that when people have shared a hot dog and a coke, they may feel differently about 'the cops". But then they also provide security for the open marijuana events.


One thing that HAS to stop...is, if it's still on, is the TV show "Cops". Every week every white adult in America gets to see a continuous string of low life blacks being arrested.

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I didn't think you did.....I was just going with what the Libs would present as the next issue once they get past this one. Especially with the Media.

You bring up a good point about community policing. Neighborhood watches and Block houses are good starting points. But it takes interaction with cops and the community.

Fearandloathing said:

We're speaking for all American blacks here, or do you have some figures to back up your theory, which is absolute rot by the way. You may want to look at military service enrollments and redirect your thinking. You may also want to see the ratio of blacks applying who don't make it. The have a look at the enormous education problem in the inner city, poverty etc.

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Think about it Fear, if you grow up hating/fearing something, why the hell would you then want to turn around and join said profession? The Military and Police are two different lines of service. It's not the military that is executing drug raids and arresting young black men today in the US. If you have numbers that disprove this logic, and I will happily admit I'm wrong then. Keep in mind that in Canada, you don't have the level of drug crime that we have in the US. That's the key difference between us.

MMC said:

I didn't think you did.....I was just going with what the Libs would present as the next issue once they get past this one. Especially with the Media.

You bring up a good point about community policing. Neighborhood watches and Block houses are good starting points. But it takes interaction with cops and the community.

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Here, the same cops that patrol a neighborhood go into the schools to talk to the kids. They show a movie "Through a Blue Lens" a first hand look at drug addiction, and it works. they also have community policing offices usually staffed by one member and civilian volunteers. I answer the phones there for four hours once a week.

The left progressives have a very strange approach to race issues, or should I say race issue. While it may not have been intended, it is more divisive than the fear-based ideas of the right. What the Democrats have been doing in this administration is beyond divisive, and I suspect a majority of the black community know they are being used as pawns, but where else to they have to park a vote?

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Think about it Fear, if you grow up hating/fearing something, why the hell would you then want to turn around and join said profession? The Military and Police are two different lines of service. It's not the military that is executing drug raids and arresting young black men today in the US. If you have numbers that disprove this logic, and I will happily admit I'm wrong then. Keep in mind that in Canada, you don't have the level of drug crime that we have in the US. That's the key difference between us.

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Yeah HB. :2wave: There is no color when inner city youths grow up thinking they need to hate on cops or not trust cops. Doesn't matter which Hoods they are from. None try and even be friendly with cops.

When 5-0 makes the show. People pull up and get out of the area. Its the same with some Suburbs off the city line too.

MMC said:

Yeah HB. :2wave: There is no color when inner city youths grow up thinking they need to hate on cops or not trust cops. Doesn't matter which Hoods they are from. None try and even be friendly with cops.

When 5-0 makes the show. People pull up and get out of the area. Its the same with some Suburbs off the city line too.

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Exactly. And I guess I'm suppose to believe that all that mistrust, fear and hatred, suddenly vanishes when they turn eighteen and suddenly they can't wait to become police officers.

Hamster Buddha said:

Exactly. And I guess I'm suppose to believe that all that mistrust, fear and hatred, suddenly vanishes when they turn eighteen and suddenly they can't wait to become police officers.

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Nah I wouldn't believe that.....and you are Right. Its not any type of Job opportunity they will seek out.

But then one can look at Firefighters to, which is another they aren't looking forward to getting into. Not that many wouldn't like the chance to try.