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President Biden,Vice Pres Harris, Speaker Pelosi, Sen Schumer, Sen Bernie, Rep AOC next time Putin comes at us enact sanctions before he invades ...

What position does Trump hold that he can provide any support? Hell, he can barely leave his own resort without having issues.
He's got the party that will regain control of Congress after midterms in his pocket. With Trump demanding that these sanctions be loosened, at the very least the GOP conference in both houses will return away from the Presidents efforts to unify this country behind those sanctions.
 
Who single handedly caused the loss to the world market of this petroleum supply, the cessation of international monitoring of the nuclear weapons development efforts and the significant acceleration of that development?
We were buying oil from Russia before the Iran deal blew up. Maybe it's used on our military bases in Europe, who knows? But anyway, no, I don't see how it's Trump's fault.
 
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President Biden,Vice Pres Harris, Speaker Pelosi, Sen Schumer, Sen Bernie, Rep AOC next time Putin comes at us enact sanctions before he invades ...​


There won't be a next time for any of them because they all will be out of office as every single one is beyond worthless.
 
"Most American voters still support the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and believe ... political credibility at home, making concessions harder."
Pure bullshit.

Those people in Iran breached the US Embassy in Iran and took 52 US hostages for 444 days in 1979-80.

They made their bed then for life and beyond. They wanted that asinine religious zealot exiled in Paris and they got him back.

Many more generations of Iranians need to go by before forgiveness of the hostage-taking can be bestowed upon them.

Until then - the hell with them all.
 
Agree ...... he done this twice before

Putin may be able to control Belarus w/o any need to take over the country. Still, the scalp would look good hanging from his saddle. Why not invade a gimme and add it to the map of Russia?
 
Putin may be able to control Belarus w/o any need to take over the country. Still, the scalp would look good hanging from his saddle. Why not invade a gimme and add it to the map of Russia?
Putin already has lapdog leadership in Belarus...so much so that there are reports that Belarus has not just providing footing from which Putin could attack Ukraine but there are actually Belarus military assets also attacking Ukraine. Gee I guess those joint Russia/Belarus maneuvers meant something after all.
 
Pure bullshit.

Those people in Iran breached the US Embassy in Iran and took 52 US hostages for 444 days in 1979-80.

They made their bed then for life and beyond. They wanted that asinine religious zealot exiled in Paris and they got him back.

Many more generations of Iranians need to go by before forgiveness of the hostage-taking can be bestowed upon them.

Until then - the hell with them all.
So, why this "stink" associated with Reagan, Bush, Casey, and Gates?

Reagan and John Shaheen were both born in Tampico, IL, Shaheen's sister was married to ABC news co-anchor, Hugh Downs, for more than 60 years. Shaheen's protege, Roy Furmark, cost Robert Gates his appointment as DCI in 1991.

population of 790, ... It is known as the birthplace of Ronald Reagan,

Shaheen was O.S.S. director of tech development and a Navy Captain during WWII. He worked closely in O.S.S. with H. JAMES RAND, III, who was also best man in Shaheen's 1949 wedding.

One of their WWII O.S.S. Ops,

JFK Assassination System Identification Form - National ...​

https://www.archives.gov › jfk › docid-32293114

PDF
Feb 24, 1998 — H. JAMES RAND, III,. III, aka. MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION CONCERNING ... dated June 14, 1960, captioned GEORGE H. BOOKBINDER, IS-R.

The Redskins Are Coming - The Other Oswald​

https://www.theotheroswald.com › post › the-redskins-a...

Dec 15, 2020 — Webster appeared to be handled by James Rand, ATIC (LONGSTRIDE), as well as the CIA and Angleton. Hints of CIA involvement in Murret's travels .

February 28, 1981
"John Shaheen of New York, .. was probably the only guest who had known Reagan as a boy in Tampico, Ill..."

Kai Bird sues State Department for 1980 'October Surprise ...​

https://www.rcfp.org ›

Oct 29, 2019 — The White House memo specifically references “a cable from the Madrid Embassy indicating that Bill Casey was in town, for purposes unknown.”.
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THE LOOKING-GLASS 'SURPRISE'​

https://www.washingtonpost.com ›

Dec 6, 1992 — But the report criticized Casey for "fishing in troubled waters and ... John Shaheen, a New York-based oilman who had known Casey since both ...

DIALOGUE: Last Word on the October Surprise?; Missing Link​

https://www.nytimes.com ›

Jan 24, 1993 — However, the tapes do reveal a relationship between Mr. Hashemi and Mr. Casey via the late John Shaheen, an oil man and a mutual friend.

robert gates and the neverending story...iran-contra, redux​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › lifestyle › 1991/09/19

Sep 19, 1991 — It is the price Robert Gates has to pay if he wants to be confirmed as director ... Roy Furmark!

Roy Furmark - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Roy_Furmark

A business partner of Cyrus Hashemi's, John Shaheen, was a former boss of Furmark's. Furmark was an associate of Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi, and had been ...

Nixon, 1970 :

July 23, 1970
Nixon: Mr. President (Kekkonen of Finland) and our guests tonight:
"... , but in Finland where I had the opportunity to visit in 1965 with Mr. John Shaheen, one of our guests tonight..."
 
He's got the party that will regain control of Congress after midterms in his pocket. With Trump demanding that these sanctions be loosened, at the very least the GOP conference in both houses will return away from the Presidents efforts to unify this country behind those sanctions.
You may not have a great memory but the GOP is VERY pro-war industry.
 
Putin is a hitler madman supported by your gop.
That's not a quote. Provide a quote to back up your claim.
 
That's not a quote. Provide a quote to back up your claim.

https://www.ft.com/content/1df8a99b-804c-467b-98e1-ce8b47b5b513

Timothy Snyder YESTERDAY February 24, 2022 - The writer is Levin professor of history at Yale University and the author of books on Russian and Ukrainian history including ‘Bloodlands’ and ‘The Road to Unfreedom’

On Monday afternoon I took part in the dissertation defence of a young Ukrainian historian. I had to call in to Lviv, to the Ukrainian Catholic University. On a day full of threats, we had a discussion of history. The candidate submitted a biography of Mykhailo Rudnyts’kyi, ... The Rudnyts’kyis lived in a cosmopolitan city that they called Lviv. Not far to the east was the Soviet Union, with its Ukrainian republic, home to far more Ukrainians. A century of Ukrainian pain and hope came through the details of the family history. In 1932 and 1933, Milena struggled to bring the attention of the world to the Holodomor, Stalin’s political famine in Soviet Ukraine, which killed some 4mn people. Stalin, for his part, blamed Ukrainians themselves for starving and his propaganda called anyone who mentioned the famine a Nazi. Hitler had just come to power. Like Stalin, he wanted to master the fertile black earth of Ukraine and his ultimate war aim was to win it for a German racial empire. In 1939, Stalin and Hitler were allies in the first part of the second world war and split Poland between them.
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I was thinking about all this as Russian artillery began to fall in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been independent since 1991, since the end of the Soviet Union. In 2014, Russia invaded, occupied and annexed a good deal of Ukrainian territory. And on Monday evening Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered troops into eastern Ukraine. While a young Ukrainian was getting his PhD, Russia’s president justified violence with a bizarre diatribe about the past that brought into intense focus claims Putin made last July in a long essay: there is no Ukraine; no Ukrainians; it is all just part of Russia, or invented by Russia, therefore to be claimed and controlled and, if necessary, annihilated by Russia. Putin is no historian. Ukraine has its own distinct and fascinating history and Ukrainians have as much a right to a future as anyone else. Putin thinks that everyone who speaks Russian must be a Russian, and needs his protection. Pretty much everyone in Ukraine does speak Russian. Everyone in the room during the dissertation defence spoke Russian, I would guess. Mykhailo Rudnyts’kyi, for that matter, knew Russian. But all of these people, past and present, also know Ukrainian. The dissertation was written in Ukrainian. And all of these people, past and present, knew Polish, and other languages. There is a deeper issue here. Whatever language we speak, it is what we say that matters. Our identity is not to be decided by distant tyrants, whatever language they might speak.

Nations are built by people who take risks now in the name of a better future for the people they choose. It can all be swept away, of course, by people with other ideas and greater power. Stalin and Hitler had visions for Ukraine that comported with their own ideologies. When the two of them were in power, between 1933 and 1945, Ukraine was the most dangerous place on earth. Putin has his own contorted view, and seems to be dragging Russia to war on its basis. At the end of the dissertation defence, everyone clapped. Knowledge had been secured and civilisation, in some humble way, consolidated. Not long after the ceremony ended, Russian soldiers crossed the border. They had been given a copy of Putin’s essay on Ukraine and Russia, a farcical myth of enforced unity. We need more dissertations from young people and fewer war pamphlets from old dictators. History cannot stop a war. But it can help us, at least, to understand how one begins, which is with arrogance and lies..."


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Timothy Snyder YESTERDAY February 24, 2022 - The writer is Levin professor of history at Yale University and the author of books on Russian and Ukrainian history including ‘Bloodlands’ and ‘The Road to Unfreedom’

On Monday afternoon I took part in the dissertation defence of a young Ukrainian historian. I had to call in to Lviv, to the Ukrainian Catholic University. On a day full of threats, we had a discussion of history. The candidate submitted a biography of Mykhailo Rudnyts’kyi, ... The Rudnyts’kyis lived in a cosmopolitan city that they called Lviv. Not far to the east was the Soviet Union, with its Ukrainian republic, home to far more Ukrainians. A century of Ukrainian pain and hope came through the details of the family history. In 1932 and 1933, Milena struggled to bring the attention of the world to the Holodomor, Stalin’s political famine in Soviet Ukraine, which killed some 4mn people. Stalin, for his part, blamed Ukrainians themselves for starving and his propaganda called anyone who mentioned the famine a Nazi. Hitler had just come to power. Like Stalin, he wanted to master the fertile black earth of Ukraine and his ultimate war aim was to win it for a German racial empire. In 1939, Stalin and Hitler were allies in the first part of the second world war and split Poland between them.
...
I was thinking about all this as Russian artillery began to fall in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been independent since 1991, since the end of the Soviet Union. In 2014, Russia invaded, occupied and annexed a good deal of Ukrainian territory. And on Monday evening Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered troops into eastern Ukraine. While a young Ukrainian was getting his PhD, Russia’s president justified violence with a bizarre diatribe about the past that brought into intense focus claims Putin made last July in a long essay: there is no Ukraine; no Ukrainians; it is all just part of Russia, or invented by Russia, therefore to be claimed and controlled and, if necessary, annihilated by Russia. Putin is no historian. Ukraine has its own distinct and fascinating history and Ukrainians have as much a right to a future as anyone else. Putin thinks that everyone who speaks Russian must be a Russian, and needs his protection. Pretty much everyone in Ukraine does speak Russian. Everyone in the room during the dissertation defence spoke Russian, I would guess. Mykhailo Rudnyts’kyi, for that matter, knew Russian. But all of these people, past and present, also know Ukrainian. The dissertation was written in Ukrainian. And all of these people, past and present, knew Polish, and other languages. There is a deeper issue here. Whatever language we speak, it is what we say that matters. Our identity is not to be decided by distant tyrants, whatever language they might speak.

Nations are built by people who take risks now in the name of a better future for the people they choose. It can all be swept away, of course, by people with other ideas and greater power. Stalin and Hitler had visions for Ukraine that comported with their own ideologies. When the two of them were in power, between 1933 and 1945, Ukraine was the most dangerous place on earth. Putin has his own contorted view, and seems to be dragging Russia to war on its basis. At the end of the dissertation defence, everyone clapped. Knowledge had been secured and civilisation, in some humble way, consolidated. Not long after the ceremony ended, Russian soldiers crossed the border. They had been given a copy of Putin’s essay on Ukraine and Russia, a farcical myth of enforced unity. We need more dissertations from young people and fewer war pamphlets from old dictators. History cannot stop a war. But it can help us, at least, to understand how one begins, which is with arrogance and lies..."
That's interesting, but I don't see a quote from Tulsi Gabbard in there anywhere.
 
Putin is a grump egotist that is overloaded with himself who caters to himself no matter who or how many die.

No he does not manage himself to any degree of success.
 
these people are the ones whom I must address at the moment.........

President Biden,Vice Pres Harris, Speaker Pelosi, Sen Schumer, Sen Bernie, Rep AOC next time Putin comes at us enact sanctions before he invades ...​


Since we haven't enacted sanctions prior to a violent event how do we know this concept will not work?
 
That's interesting, but I don't see a quote from Tulsi Gabbard in there anywhere.


Russian web trolls boo Biden, often boost Gabbard, report finds

https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › 2020-election › r...
Nov 18, 2019 — Among Democrats running for president, Tulsi Gabbard is popular with Russian propagandists, while Joe Biden draws the most criticism, ...
 
PUTIN is dangerous and insulting we don't have time for such nonsense. If war breaks out there are no winners.
If he comes at us again it will be one of our NATO partners and it will not be sanctions but bombs and bullets. DDo you really think anything would hav stopped Putin, reallY?
 
Since we haven't enacted sanctions prior to a violent event how do we know this concept will not work?

Considering he has pulled this crap twice before provided plenty of logic behind doing the pre-emptive thing as in to preempt or forestall something, especially to prevent attack by disabling the enemy.

Do you really think anything would hav stopped Putin, really? We don't know which provide ever more reason to level our sights on cutting into his revenue prior to him repeating himself.
 

Russian web trolls boo Biden, often boost Gabbard, report finds

https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › 2020-election › r...
Nov 18, 2019 — Among Democrats running for president, Tulsi Gabbard is popular with Russian propagandists, while Joe Biden draws the most criticism, ...

Those are quotes from Gabbard, and actual legitimate points, to be sure. However, they aren't quotes that imply what the poster I responded to said.
 
Putin already has lapdog leadership in Belarus...so much so that there are reports that Belarus has not just providing footing from which Putin could attack Ukraine but there are actually Belarus military assets also attacking Ukraine. Gee I guess those joint Russia/Belarus maneuvers meant something after all.


Maybe our joint military exercises with South Korea (something Trump pledged to end, BTW) will mean something someday. Heh-heh.
 
You may not have a great memory but the GOP is VERY pro -Trump and Trump is very pro Putin.
Is that why Trump sanctioned any business that had anything to do with the Nordstream 2 pipeline out of Russia?
 
Is that why Trump sanctioned any business that had anything to do with the Nordstream 2 pipeline out of Russia?
Its why he JUST finished praising Putin for being genius and savvy in invading Ukraine and starting this land war in Europe.
 
Its why he JUST finished praising Putin for being genius and savvy in invading Ukraine and starting this land war in Europe.
1. Dodge.
2. Recognizing a person's political acumen isn't praise. The Unabomber, Ted Kacsynski, is a genius and there is no issue saying so. That does not mean you support him making bombs and blowing people up.
 
Its why he JUST finished praising Putin for being genius and savvy in invading Ukraine and starting this land war in Europe.
1. Dodge.
2. Recognizing a person's political acumen isn't praise. The Unabomber, Ted Kacsynski, is a genius and there is no issue saying so. That does not mean you support him making bombs and blowing people up.
Clearly most of the left here really don't care about any personal integrity as they spew the party's nonsense talking points. It's rather sad.,
 
1. Dodge.
2. Recognizing a person's political acumen isn't praise. The Unabomber, Ted Kacsynski, is a genius and there is no issue saying so. That does not mean you support him making bombs and blowing people up.
No one voted twice for Ted K. to occupy the office of POTUS. Your veiled apology for acutely emotionally disordered Trump is unreasonable.

Not even dog catcher would be worth the risk of voting for Trump "to serve" in public office!
"A malignant narcissist is a term used to describe a person who has symptoms of both narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder. Combined, these disorders can show up as arrogance, a need for power and recognition, and tendencies to use or exploit others for selfish reasons." Jul 16, 2021
 
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