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President Biden 10 reasons to support Single Payer =it is good use of tax dollars and Obama Care leaves millions under insured or uninsured = not good

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10. Under single-payer, say goodbye to medical bankruptcies in the United States.

According to Physicians for a National Health Program and U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), more than 62 percent of the more than 2.2 million personal bankruptcies in the United States are due to medical expenses.

This problem does not just touch those with health insurance. Many of those who need to file for bankruptcy due to medical costs had health insurance coverage. Single-payer health care would provide health care for all and ensure that no one goes bankrupt due to illness.

This video explains the problem and the solution very well.

9. If it’s good enough for the royal baby, George Alexander Louis, it’s good enough for the United States.

Here’s my previous blog on this topic.

8. Single-payer would cover everyone.

I believe health care is a right – not a privilege reserved for the wealthy. Regardless of how much you have in your wallet, you would have access to doctors and hospitals under a single-payer system. In the wealthiest nation in the history of humanity, it is the least we can do.

7. If members of Congress tried to shut down the government to defund single-payer, they would be defunding health care coverage for themselves and their families.

Unless members of Congress and their families participate directly in a particular health care system, they can hold it hostage for political gain. Case in point: 60 members of Congress recently sent a letter to their leadership requesting that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) shut down the government if the administration doesn’t “defund” Obamacare. If those representatives and their families received their health care through a single-payer system, they would be less inclined to defund it.

6. It works well in other countries.

Dozens of other industrialized countries can’t all be wrong. Their people live longer, their child mortality rate is lower and they have unrestricted access to maternity care. This is an example of where we could learn something from studying how other countries provide health care.

5. Transitioning to a single-payer system would save billions of dollars.

If the United States was able to move away from its private health insurance system, we could save more than $400 billion a year in administrative costs. Further savings could be obtained by adopting European-style drug pricing and provider payments.

4. Single-payer is simple to administer

H.R. 676, model single-payer legislation, is 30 pages long. It does not need to be thousands of pages long accompanied by a mountain of regulations. A few key principles: Universal coverage, publicly funded and publicly administered, is easy to implement.

3. Single-payer will increase business competitiveness.

If you remove the more than $1 trillion dollars that private employers pay for health care every year, it would greatly improve the playing field for American business. It is often stated that GM must add $1,500 to $2,000 to the sticker price of a car due to health care costs that car companies in other countries do not have to bear (i.e. Germany and Japan). Having the government be responsible for health care would improve business efficiency, productivity and employment.

2. You wouldn’t lose your health care if you lose your job.

Every American would have health care no matter what their employment status. Now when people lose their jobs, they also find themselves without health insurance. That’s the last thing someone needs who is trying to figure out how to meet the basic necessities of life.

1. Say goodbye to private insurance company abuse.

Private insurance companies have generally made their money by only insuring the healthy and denying claims for the sick. Moving toward single-payer would eliminate the perverse incentives inherent in the private insurance system and turn the focus back to helping heal the sick instead of maximizing profit.
 
Open government intervention door #1 and don't be surprised when you have to open door #2 to fix all the stupid "fixes" behind door #1.

This was the goal all along.
 
I think the OP is an excellent treatise, very nicely & succinctly distilled to one place. Nice! (y)
 
Why single payer is bad:

Massive waiting lists and dangerous delays for medical appointments

Life-threatening delays for treatment, even for patients requiring urgent cancer treatment or critical brain surgery

Delayed availability of life-saving drugs

Worse availability of screening tests

Significantly worse outcomes from serious diseases

 
The way that Medicare and Medicaid “save money” is by setting artificially low prices for paying medical care providers, who then increase the costs of those (same) goods/services to private payers to recover the difference.

Imagine if SNAP did the same thing - set the official “fair” price of milk (at say $2/gallon) and only reimburse ‘grocery providers’ that amount for SNAP funded milk purchases. All may well appear OK so long as those ‘grocery providers’ could continue charge the bulk of their (non-SNAP) customers a bit more (say $3/gallon) for milk, but if we had “SNAP for all” that would no longer be possible.
 
Single payer was the goal all along, so let's get there already.

Conservatives will kick and scream and drag their feet for a decade like they always do, and then once they're used to it, they will begin to think that they thought it up themselves.
 
If you bothered to read HR 676 it clearly states that all providers of medical care goods/services must be (become?) either public or non-profit. Does anyone really expect that system to work? Will Walmart, Amazon and CVS simply say OK to just being paid whatever the government deems is “fair” and agree to no longer make a profit (and no longer pay stockholders any dividends)?
 
If you bothered to read HR 676 it clearly states that all providers of medical care goods/services must be (become?) either public or non-profit. Does anyone really expect that system to work? Will Walmart, Amazon and CVS simply say OK to just being paid whatever the government deems is “fair” and agree to no longer make a profit (and no longer pay stockholders any dividends)?

They'll of course be free to get out of the drug business, if they determine that that's what is best for them.
 
They'll of course be free to get out of the drug business, if they determine that that's what is best for them.

Name a few successful non-profit drug (business?) suppliers in your neighborhood. ;)
 
Name a few successful non-profit drug (business?) suppliers in your neighborhood. ;)

The point now, I think, is that if a company can charge high prices and make high profits for drugs that people need, they're going to do it.

Of course, we're all aware of countries that use a system like single payer in which drugs reach the people who need them.

If Walmart makes lower profits because of it, then I'll understand that those profits really have been coming from my pocket for years.
 
Why single payer is bad:

Massive waiting lists and dangerous delays for medical appointments

Life-threatening delays for treatment, even for patients requiring urgent cancer treatment or critical brain surgery

Delayed availability of life-saving drugs

Worse availability of screening tests

Significantly worse outcomes from serious diseases


HAQ index:
Canada 30
US 37

WHO overall efficiency
Canada 30
US 35

Countries with best overall developed healthcare (Best Countries Survey)
Canada 1
US 15

Cost per capita
Canada 5,418
US 11,072
 
Name a few successful non-profit drug (business?) suppliers in your neighborhood. ;)
Unfair question. The environment in Universal would be completely different than it is today.
 
Open government intervention door #1 and don't be surprised when you have to open door #2 to fix all the stupid "fixes" behind door #1.

This was the goal all along.

The thing to keep in mind is that this is a well-tested policy. I agree some government policies are disasters but this has proven to work well for most countries. Most of them have already faced and solved problems that we can learn from.

Don't forget that our current system is unsustainable. It's driving our debt.
 
10. Under single-payer, say goodbye to medical bankruptcies in the United States.

According to Physicians for a National Health Program and U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), more than 62 percent of the more than 2.2 million personal bankruptcies in the United States are due to medical expenses.

This problem does not just touch those with health insurance. Many of those who need to file for bankruptcy due to medical costs had health insurance coverage. Single-payer health care would provide health care for all and ensure that no one goes bankrupt due to illness.

This video explains the problem and the solution very well.

9. If it’s good enough for the royal baby, George Alexander Louis, it’s good enough for the United States.

Here’s my previous blog on this topic.

8. Single-payer would cover everyone.

I believe health care is a right – not a privilege reserved for the wealthy. Regardless of how much you have in your wallet, you would have access to doctors and hospitals under a single-payer system. In the wealthiest nation in the history of humanity, it is the least we can do.

7. If members of Congress tried to shut down the government to defund single-payer, they would be defunding health care coverage for themselves and their families.

Unless members of Congress and their families participate directly in a particular health care system, they can hold it hostage for political gain. Case in point: 60 members of Congress recently sent a letter to their leadership requesting that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) shut down the government if the administration doesn’t “defund” Obamacare. If those representatives and their families received their health care through a single-payer system, they would be less inclined to defund it.

6. It works well in other countries.

Dozens of other industrialized countries can’t all be wrong. Their people live longer, their child mortality rate is lower and they have unrestricted access to maternity care. This is an example of where we could learn something from studying how other countries provide health care.

5. Transitioning to a single-payer system would save billions of dollars.

If the United States was able to move away from its private health insurance system, we could save more than $400 billion a year in administrative costs. Further savings could be obtained by adopting European-style drug pricing and provider payments.

4. Single-payer is simple to administer

H.R. 676, model single-payer legislation, is 30 pages long. It does not need to be thousands of pages long accompanied by a mountain of regulations. A few key principles: Universal coverage, publicly funded and publicly administered, is easy to implement.

3. Single-payer will increase business competitiveness.

If you remove the more than $1 trillion dollars that private employers pay for health care every year, it would greatly improve the playing field for American business. It is often stated that GM must add $1,500 to $2,000 to the sticker price of a car due to health care costs that car companies in other countries do not have to bear (i.e. Germany and Japan). Having the government be responsible for health care would improve business efficiency, productivity and employment.

2. You wouldn’t lose your health care if you lose your job.

Every American would have health care no matter what their employment status. Now when people lose their jobs, they also find themselves without health insurance. That’s the last thing someone needs who is trying to figure out how to meet the basic necessities of life.

1. Say goodbye to private insurance company abuse.

Private insurance companies have generally made their money by only insuring the healthy and denying claims for the sick. Moving toward single-payer would eliminate the perverse incentives inherent in the private insurance system and turn the focus back to helping heal the sick instead of maximizing profit.

With single payer the USA work force would be healthy and certainly productive.
 
The thing to keep in mind is that this is a well-tested policy. I agree some government policies are disasters but this has proven to work well for most countries. Most of them have already faced and solved problems that we can learn from.

Don't forget that our current system is unsustainable. It's driving our debt.
Oh, I'm pretty sure those 535 idiots in DC will show us how badly they can **** it up.
 
10. Under single-payer, say goodbye to medical bankruptcies in the United States.

According to Physicians for a National Health Program and U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), more than 62 percent of the more than 2.2 million personal bankruptcies in the United States are due to medical expenses.

This problem does not just touch those with health insurance. Many of those who need to file for bankruptcy due to medical costs had health insurance coverage. Single-payer health care would provide health care for all and ensure that no one goes bankrupt due to illness.

This video explains the problem and the solution very well.

9. If it’s good enough for the royal baby, George Alexander Louis, it’s good enough for the United States.

Here’s my previous blog on this topic.

8. Single-payer would cover everyone.

I believe health care is a right – not a privilege reserved for the wealthy. Regardless of how much you have in your wallet, you would have access to doctors and hospitals under a single-payer system. In the wealthiest nation in the history of humanity, it is the least we can do.

7. If members of Congress tried to shut down the government to defund single-payer, they would be defunding health care coverage for themselves and their families.

Unless members of Congress and their families participate directly in a particular health care system, they can hold it hostage for political gain. Case in point: 60 members of Congress recently sent a letter to their leadership requesting that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) shut down the government if the administration doesn’t “defund” Obamacare. If those representatives and their families received their health care through a single-payer system, they would be less inclined to defund it.

6. It works well in other countries.

Dozens of other industrialized countries can’t all be wrong. Their people live longer, their child mortality rate is lower and they have unrestricted access to maternity care. This is an example of where we could learn something from studying how other countries provide health care.

5. Transitioning to a single-payer system would save billions of dollars.

If the United States was able to move away from its private health insurance system, we could save more than $400 billion a year in administrative costs. Further savings could be obtained by adopting European-style drug pricing and provider payments.

4. Single-payer is simple to administer

H.R. 676, model single-payer legislation, is 30 pages long. It does not need to be thousands of pages long accompanied by a mountain of regulations. A few key principles: Universal coverage, publicly funded and publicly administered, is easy to implement.

3. Single-payer will increase business competitiveness.

If you remove the more than $1 trillion dollars that private employers pay for health care every year, it would greatly improve the playing field for American business. It is often stated that GM must add $1,500 to $2,000 to the sticker price of a car due to health care costs that car companies in other countries do not have to bear (i.e. Germany and Japan). Having the government be responsible for health care would improve business efficiency, productivity and employment.

2. You wouldn’t lose your health care if you lose your job.

Every American would have health care no matter what their employment status. Now when people lose their jobs, they also find themselves without health insurance. That’s the last thing someone needs who is trying to figure out how to meet the basic necessities of life.

1. Say goodbye to private insurance company abuse.

Private insurance companies have generally made their money by only insuring the healthy and denying claims for the sick. Moving toward single-payer would eliminate the perverse incentives inherent in the private insurance system and turn the focus back to helping heal the sick instead of maximizing profit.

That all sounds great. California should give it a shot and get back to us about how it works out. They MUST have the votes for it.
 
more than 50% of bankruptcies are related to health care debt no matter that these families are insured or should we say under insured.

Why are insurance companies allowed to sell under insured coverage?

INDIVIDUAL STATES CANNOT MAKE IT WORK ...... MITT the scammer Romney made the attempt in Massachusetts.
 
The thing to keep in mind is that this is a well-tested policy. I agree some government policies are disasters but this has proven to work well for most countries. Most of them have already faced and solved problems that we can learn from.

Don't forget that our current system is unsustainable. It's driving our debt.
No country has ever reversed its decision to go with universal coverage. Germany has had it since 1883 so it's been around for a while.
 
If there's anything that broken in America, it is our health system.

Biden needs to finish the transition that Obamacare started.

And thanks to Republicans for gutting Obamacare, now we can push forward into single payer.
 
They'll of course be free to get out of the drug business, if they determine that that's what is best for them.
And what happens then...

Everyone gets out of the drug business and where will YOU get your drugs? Not from Walmart. And not from anyone else who can no longer make money selling drugs.
 
And what happens then...

Everyone gets out of the drug business and where will YOU get your drugs? Not from Walmart. And not from anyone else who can no longer make money selling drugs.
Negotiate national contracts with drug companies like Canada and other countries do. Brings down the cost a lot.
 
Negotiate national contracts with drug companies like Canada and other countries do. Brings down the cost a lot.
That only works for you because those drug companies can raise prices in the US. If the US negotiates reduced prices, those drug companies will go out of business.
 
That only works for you because those drug companies can raise prices in the US. If the US negotiates reduced prices, those drug companies will go out of business.
Highly doubtful. The US isn't a large enough market compared to the rest of the developed world.
 
And what happens then...

Everyone gets out of the drug business and where will YOU get your drugs? Not from Walmart. And not from anyone else who can no longer make money selling drugs.

Yes, and that's a good thing. More money for me and less for companies selling me prescription drugs? Yes, please.
 
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