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Pres. Joe Biden's choice not to stand with railroad workers...any group of workers should have a minimum of 7 paid work days in the agreements.

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President Joe Biden announced Monday that he was siding with freight rail bosses against their workers, who have been at daggers drawn for over half a year. It’s well within Biden’s power to do so — but it is unquestionably a big mistake on his part.

Not only is he badly damaging a valuable pro-labor reputation he has hitherto carefully cultivated, but his decision may also well create the very shipping snarls he’s trying to avoid.

Using the Railway Labor Act’s authority, the government forced the two sides to negotiate, which produced a tentative agreement on Sept. 15. But four out of 12 unions, representing more than half of unionized freight rail employees, voted the agreement down.

The biggest quibble: The agreement did not have the four days of paid sick leave seen as a bare minimum concession. Since the unions have agreed to respect each other’s decisions, this set the stage for a strike starting Dec. 9.

Not only is Biden badly damaging a valuable pro-labor reputation, but his decision may also well create the very shipping snarls he’s trying to avoid

Under that same act, Congress and Biden can make such a strike illegal simply by passing a resolution.

Politico reported that Biden and other top Democrats are worried both about the economic damage a strike would cause and how Republicans would respond to the situation after taking control of the House of Representatives next year. Leaders in Congress are moving fast:

The House on Wednesday passed a bill by a vote of 290-137 to avert a strike, sending it over to the Senate. (They also passed a second bill — which includes seven sick days for workers — and will leave it to the Senate to decide how to proceed.)

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Opinion | Biden's support for unions has jumped the tracks

The most pro-union president in decades sided against labor — and may cause the very economic strife he's trying to avoid.
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Perhaps the President has a trick up his sleeves....... we can only hope.

Democrats cannot continue to live in fear of the fake republican party................... the middle class needs to know the democrats will always be there. Middle class = those who pay the bills.

One paid sick day is not fair nor is it enough! Railroads require huge tax dollar subsidies we taxpayers should get something for our money .......at least 7 paid sick days for railroad employees.
 
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Perhaps the President has a trick up his sleeves....... we can only hope.

Democrats cannot continue to live in fear of the fake republican party................... the middle class needs to know the democrats will always be there. Middle class = those who pay the bills.

One paid sick day is not fair nor is it enough! Railroads require huge tax dollar subsidies we taxpayers should get something for our money .......at least 7 paid sick days for railroad employees.
If people don’t want republicans ****ing with their lives, then they need to support Democratic candidates all over the country
 

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“I know that many in Congress shared my reluctance to override the union ratification procedures. But in this case, the consequences of a shutdown were just too great for working families all across the country,” Biden said in the statement.
And he is absolutely right.

And so we say “**** the railroad workers”, and they should say “**** us” right back and strike anyways.
 

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So democrats are not allowed to disagree with our president ..............what is this country coming too? Blindly supporting any president is the Fake Republican Party. Why do we moderates, liberals and green thinkers want
to be like the Fake Republican Party?

I will not ever blindly support every action any president demonstrates. That is not healthy and sends the wrong message to politicians.

Considering the railroad industry is so heavily subsidized by we the taxpayers the workers should have 7 if not 14 paid sick days.

I do support every Progressive Democrat of America, moderate democrat, liberal democrat and green thinking democrat when I vote. Status Quo democrats do not work for me = I want more for my tax dollars.
 

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It didn’t matter what President Biden did, he was going to get castigated regardless.

This was a no-win issue for him…
 

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Your thread title, thus your post, is BS. Where did you come up with “a minimum of 7 paid work days”? IMHO, employees should be fully paid for all of their “work days”.

If you really meant to say paid for additional non-work days (additional days off for simply claiming not to have felt well?) then why did you change the union’s demand from initially 15 days (and eventually 4 days) to 7 days?

Libertarian ideology is trash.

Why? They're just another special interest group.

Fine, you deliver your own goods. See how that works.
 

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This "opinion piece" from the OP is a good illustration of what is wrong with the current political climate.

Every union involved did not get everything they wanted therefor Biden made a choice to "not stand with railroad workers" is epic political nonsense. That is both fuel for duopoly of political power and the immediate result of that stupidity, where else are you going to go for union support?

Just about everyone that voted for this in Congress did so knowing it was a tough choice they were making, similar story with Biden signing. And that is what it should be, make the difficult choices and an outcome knowing not everyone will be happy.

Then dipshits like Ryan Cooper come along and fan the flames saying Biden "sided against labor," which is a lie, and entirely avoided speaking seriously about what the likely outcome would have been with a strike headed into Republicans in charge of the next House.

This is yet another example from the left media with that 'entirely with us or be vilified' idiocy level campaign.

BTW, 8 of the 12 unions involved have ratified the agreement anyway. Where is the liberal actual outrage vilify hit piece on every one of them? Until that happens, the author Ryan Cooper is a hypocrite as he glossed over that part pretty early on in his Biden hit piece.

The irony here is Biden (and Democratic leaders in Congress) knew this was going to be tough, but they got it done.

Off to the next challenge.
 

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Libertarian ideology is trash.



Fine, you deliver your own goods. See how that works.
If libertarians ran this country, we would still have buggies, candles and children dying from bacterial infections.
 

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Fine, you deliver your own goods. See how that works.

This is the false dilemma fallacy, where you pretend the only two choices are to funnel tax dollars to a special interest group or to "delivery your own goods".
 

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Biden had two choices......political suicide by going against the union or the worst political suicide of siding with them and creating a giant recession......he choice the lesser of two evils.......
 

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This is the false dilemma fallacy, where you pretend the only two choices are to funnel tax dollars to a special interest group or to "delivery your own goods".

These people literally sustain the economy, producing $20 billion in profit alone to their companies, but they're worthless in your eyes. Seems like you have an ideological dilemma.
 

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Biden had two choices......political suicide by going against the union or the worst political suicide of siding with them and creating a giant recession......he choice the lesser of two evils.......

He could have sided with the workers, rather than the corporations, and forced paid sick leave into their contract.
 

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If libertarians ran this country, we would still have buggies, candles and children dying from bacterial infections.

That's assuming there was even a functioning society within ~1 year of a libertarian society. It goes against the human condition of cooperation, and thus it would have to be mandated by some kind of malevolent robot. The reason there are no libertarian societies is because the implementation of such a catastrophic ideology is like trying to visualize a color that doesn't already exist, then finding an appropriate mix of crayons to create it.
 

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This "opinion piece" from the OP is a good illustration of what is wrong with the current political climate.

Every union involved did not get everything they wanted therefor Biden made a choice to "not stand with railroad workers" is epic political nonsense.

This above sentence is nonsense. We're not dealing with a complicated issue, but rather cutting a smidge into corporate profits to provide paid sick leave.
 

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And so we say “**** the railroad workers”, and they should say “**** us” right back and strike anyways.
Not really.
Only 4 of the 12 unions did not agree to original proposal.
And the sticking point for the 4 who did not agree was the 7 days of paid sick leave, which they have been told is still an area of discussion.
 

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Biden showing he cares less about the workers and more about the donations the unions give the DNC. Can’t collect dues when workers are striking
 

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Not really.
Only 4 of the 12 unions did not agree to original proposal.
And the sticking point for the 4 who did not agree was the 7 days of paid sick leave, which they have been told is still an area of discussion.

Those 4 unions represent the vast majority of railroad workers.
 

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Let the workers decide!!!!!

Do you know that it was Senate Republicans who blocked paid sick days? Biden and the Democrats were all for it. Democrats passed a bill in the House granting paid sick days. Senate Republicans killed it.
 

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Joe signed the bill, but the buck stops someplace over there. No better example of eating your cake and wanting to have it to.
 

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Do you know that it was Senate Republicans who blocked paid sick days? Biden and the Democrats were all for it. Democrats passed a bill in the House granting paid sick days. Senate Republicans killed it.
The president could have vetoed then sent it back demanding 7 paid sick days be included. As it stands the employees are still screwed.
 

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This above sentence is nonsense. We're not dealing with a complicated issue, but rather cutting a smidge into corporate profits to provide paid sick leave.
exactly .......
 

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Biden had two choices......political suicide by going against the union or the worst political suicide of siding with them and creating a giant recession......he choice the lesser of two evils.......
WE do not have hard evidence that a giant recession would occur......
 

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Those 4 unions represent the vast majority of railroad workers.

The union's own internal communications on the result of the ratification vote showed that Yardmen were the ones who voted against it by just over 60%, and every other class of workers (Yardmasters, Conductors, Brakemen, etc.) all voted slightly in favor.

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The president could have vetoed then sent it back demanding 7 paid sick days be included. As it stands the employees are still screwed.
Do you honestly think the Senate Republicans would ever agree to 7 paid sick days?

If so, please explain why you think that.

If Biden hadn't signed the bill, the entire country would have been screwed. By blaming Biden, you seem to want that.
 
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