Pre-existing condition protections still in the GOP's crosshairs

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That can work in some instances. years ago, I needed an MRI for my shoulder. My insurance got 3 quotes., (I had a $2500 deductible).

$4500
$3000
$500

i chose the cheapest one, and when I asked the doc if it was good, he said it was just fine.


Of course, that can happen when one can schedule a simple, single procedure.

ER visits?
Complicated procedures, not so much.

Which is why Single payer is the most efficient, and cost effective system.

Emergency Room care in the US is the most expensive care in the world, by a factor of at least five, and it delivers the least value per dollar, too. That's because ER care was never intended to function AS an actual health care POLICY for uninsured people. It can't be.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think the problem with a single payer is that a poor person with no funds should not get the same service as that of someone with more means to spend for quality insurance.

That may be because you do not understand how single payer works.

In countries with single payer systems, ALL working people also pay at least SOME tax.
That leaves the last group, the indigent and destitute, standing alone, and their indigence and destitution are problems that societies can fix, and must fix, because the alternative, i.e., just leaving them to grow more ill and just die, can cause untold catastrophes, like epidemics, which in the past have killed as much as a third of the world population in one stroke.

I don't think any sane society believes that's a better alternative. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
A body cannot just ignore an infection, because infection can ultimately kill the host body.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Still in great health huh??? Good luck.

Having spent the better part of my life advocating for the disabled and then winding up being husband to a disabled wife and father to a disabled son, I've learned a funny slogan that talks about how the disabled community refers to able bodied people as "temporarily able bodied".

That's because, in reality, disabled people are the single largest voting block on Earth, they're just not organized as well as they should be.

Eighty-five percent of ALL OF YOU READING THIS RIGHT NOW WILL BECOME DISABLED at some point in your life.

My very very dear friend Shawn Casey O'Brien

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

If it was mandated that everyone had cars are we going to give the poor bmw's?

REDUCTO AD ABSURDUM. Is this really how you debate? When my son was seven years old, he tried similar tactics common to a child. We would tell him he had to go to sleep at a regular time, like maybe 9:00 PM.
He would try to respond with absurd exaggerations, "Oh, so next you'll be telling me to go to bed at five o clock!"

Not everyone has cars but efficient, affordable and prompt public transportation, including urban light rail, is a reality all over the world, even in many parts of the United States.
And now, even in small rural towns, bikeshare is a growing reality.
Allen County, Kansas implemented bikeshare in their community of 13,000 people.

And rideshare services like Lyft and Uber exist nearly everywhere now, so when someone needs a more sophisticated and still affordable means of transportation, it is available.

But ask yourself if you really want to compare health care with CARS in the first place.
You might not survive without adequate access to health care.

Your argument fails for almost a half dozen reasons, and the strange thing is, it's impossible to understand WHY you cling so ferociously to it. There's no payoff in it for you.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Indeed. **** the poor people. It's their own damn fault. Especially the kids.

Those that were born into money, deserve better health care than poor people.

 

[Bullseye]

Last summer the Trump administration took the position that a Texas court should strike down the parts of the ACA that protect people with pre-existing conditions (the rest of the law could stay, they argued, only those protections should be thrown out).



In the meantime, the Dems built their entire midterm message around defending those with pre-existing conditions ("With midterms approaching, Democrats go all-in on health care, pre-existing conditions ").

GOP candidates, including those pushing that very lawsuit to strip people of pre-existing condition protections, were forced to pivot into lying about their own positions ("Republicans trumpet pre-existing condition protections despite votes to repeal Obamacare".)

It largely didn't work. The Dems ended up winning back the House by nine points in the highest turnout midterm in the era of universal suffrage. The bloodbath would like have been worse for the GOP without a little help from their friend in Texas, who kept his powder dry and the lawsuit out of the headlines until after the election, opting instead to drop his bomb during open enrollment (""Federal judge in Texas strikes down Affordable Care Act").

The GOP, it seems, wasn't chastened by its electoral loss. It failed its first test on protecting those with pre-existing conditions during an early vote last month in the newly Dem-led House:



And where's Trump on the issue? Based on his interview with the NYT last week, still rooting against those with pre-existing conditions:



There you have it. Dumping pre-existing condition protections would be a great "victory" for the GOP. Not so much for the American people.

Looks like this fight will be on the ballot again in 2020.

From what I've seen the GOP is working to eliminate the requirement to cover PEC as it is now, and is looking for ways to create a system that more accurately deals with the additional costs paying for the care of someone who is already sick. A high-risk pool or something like that.

 

[Crovax]

REDUCTO AD ABSURDUM. Is this really how you debate?

Reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument not a logically fallacy so just pointing out that someone is using it does not refute their argument in anyway

 

[Bucky]

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You know, a lot of people like their health insurance or like the fact that if they do not have health insurance, they are not paying a severe penalty.

You put in a single payer system, a lot of Americans lose their high-quality health insurance and it gets redistributed to people that will not pay for it!

And what about the Americans putting their money in a high-quality HSA? The high deductible plan works for them!

 

[Bucky]

That may be because you do not understand how single payer works.

In countries with single payer systems, ALL working people also pay at least SOME tax.
That leaves the last group, the indigent and destitute, standing alone, and their indigence and destitution are problems that societies can fix, and must fix, because the alternative, i.e., just leaving them to grow more ill and just die, can cause untold catastrophes, like epidemics, which in the past have killed as much as a third of the world population in one stroke.

I don't think any sane society believes that's a better alternative. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
A body cannot just ignore an infection, because infection can ultimately kill the host body.

You know in many countries children barely eat 1 meal a day and are living off $25 a month.

The U.S is doing fine. What killed many Americans was Obamacare - put many people out on the streets and was a jobs killer!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument not a logically fallacy so just pointing out that someone is using it does not refute their argument in anyway

Get out of here with that nonsense.
Trying to say that spewing absurdities is a logical way to debate is nothing more than trollish tactics.
But aside from that, I did a lot more than just point out that Bucky's post was absurd, I totally destroyed his malformed and misinformed fact free arguments.

And I've been kicking his ass in anything and everything he ever debates ever since I joined DP, and you're not doing so well either.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know, a lot of people like their health insurance or like the fact that if they do not have health insurance, they are not paying a severe penalty.

You put in a single payer system, a lot of Americans lose their high-quality health insurance and it gets redistributed to people that will not pay for it!

And what about the Americans putting their money in a high-quality HSA? The high deductible plan works for them!

Single payer plans can be implemented and have been implemented in a huge variety of ways, but the reality here is, your side isn't even willing to allow any discussion of implementation whatsoever.

If it is proven that it is more cost effective to allow a multi-tiered arrangement, which exists in many single payer countries right now, it's safe to assume that such ideas would find favor in this country as well.

You and I, and many others on your side, have had almost this exact same discussion a half dozen times before, and it always boils down to you revealing your flawed understanding of single payer.

On at least two or more occasions it has become obvious to everybody that you think single payer is the same thing as fully socialized government operated medicine.

It is, and it ain't.
Some single payer systems ARE socialized because the entire system was built and is operated BY the government, hence the reason WHY such a system is socialized.
The VA Health Care System and DoD Health Care Systems are examples of that.
The government built EVERYTHING and operates EVERYTHING, and it didn't even exist prior to that.

But not all single payer systems are like that, and I've said this to you COUNTLESS TIMES:
In the USA right now, we already HAVE a fully built out and operational infrastructure, thus NO NEED for the government to build it or operate it. It is only a question of who gets paid and how.
That is how MEDICARE operates, thus MEDICARE is NOT a fully socialized system.

You appear to be resistant to FACTS, because no matter how many time someone explains to you the complexities and differences, you always just "run home to momma" screaming about socialism and the destruction of freedom and the free markets, and how the government wants to take over health care.

This is not uncommon to people in the right wing today.
The strange thing is, in the times of people like Nelson Rockefeller, it was UNCOMMON.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know in many countries children barely eat 1 meal a day and are living off $25 a month.

The U.S is doing fine. What killed many Americans was Obamacare - put many people out on the streets and was a jobs killer!

Is this a dodge?



I think it is!

I think it is the standard Bucky tactic once Bucky has exhausted the last of his defective arguments.

 

[Bucky]

Is this a dodge?

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I think it is!

I think it is the standard Bucky tactic once Bucky has exhausted the last of his defective arguments.

I think you are confusing health insurance with long-term care, home nursing aid, or disability assistance living.

The aiding of the elderly, disabled, or sick has nothing to do with health insurance. Health insurance should refer to specific procedures, operations, or treatment.

 

[Crovax]

Get out of here with that nonsense.
Trying to say that spewing absurdities is a logical way to debate is nothing more than trollish tactics.
But aside from that, I did a lot more than just point out that Bucky's post was absurd, I totally destroyed his malformed and misinformed fact free arguments.

And I've been kicking his ass in anything and everything he ever debates ever since I joined DP, and you're not doing so well either.

Keyboard warrior I see. Trumplike saying a bunch of nonsense and claiming you have won despite not making a counter argument.

 

[RealityNow]

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Johnson was more melancholic, not because he did not believe in the Civil Rights Act's Passage, but because he knew it would be challenging to change the hearts and minds of the white society who embraced Jim Crow for generations and the offspring's of that day and time, clung to every element they could of Jim Crow Ideals. Blacks had voted Republican over years, BECAUSE the Dixiecrat's who controlled the Southern Democratic Party and some of the Northern Democrats that did aspire to Dixiecrat ideals of the Jim Crow system was not conducive to the civil rights of blacks and other minorities.... Once the Act was signed, the minorities came in vast numbers to the Democratic Party, especially when the Dixiecrat's began their move to take over the Republican party and they dominated and changed the ideology of the Republican Party and no longer had the dominant influence in the Democratic Party.

The whole story of Johnson during his childhood was not as racist as some may have been led to believe. There was massive acts and propaganda promoted by Republican to tarnish Johnson because they resented that he broke the back of Segregation. Society still to this day do not give him the credit he deserves, because the system of white nationalism was adamant to try and diminish him in every way they could by any means they could, including stifling any publicity to make the public know of the works he did in passage of the Civil Rights Acts, the Voting Rights Acts, and the Immigration Act of 1965, Medicare, and placing the First Black Man on the Supreme Court and Creating Job Corp among the many society advancing acts and policies he promoted, and he was going to do even more on the War on Poverty.... Except - Goldwater's aim to want to smear Johnson if he had not gone into escalation in Vietnam, by claiming Johnson would not defend America. Johnson did not have an intent to go into Vietnam, but the sham of the Gulf of Tonkin incident forced his hand, even though he knew no one could verify any attack, but he could not risk Goldwater using it to smear him and derail his Presidential Agenda.

Johnson went along with the Southern Democrats because he did not before have the power to stand against them, and if he had tried without being president he would have had his political career derailed, so he learned and he learn how to deal with both sides of the situation and when he became President, he knew exactly who would be his opposition and he knew that he'd have to face them square up, and use the powers of the office to do what he could not do while being a senator. Great Men Learn... and when they find the position of stature, they stand !!!! Johnson proved that to America and in doing so, he changed not only America, but influenced the world to step toward change. What he knew that many did not grasp, is ... one has to get inside and learn before they step outside and make a change, but they must have the position to make that change.

Johnson, warned Kennedy, that the timing was not in his favor to pass Civil Rights and Voting Rights as a single Act. Kennedy was trying to find a way, but his life got cut short, I think in part because the Dixiecrat's knew he's push for Civil Right Reforms. When he was killed, Johnson made it his primary business to get is passed, so he broke it into two separate bills, and passed them one after the others.

The younger generations is going to discover the great work of LBJ... because they are not swayed by the bias and the negligence that has been used to diminish the awareness of the works of LBJ. Lincoln Freed the slaves and he was Killed, Kennedy was to push Civil Rights and he was killed, Johnson came from within the mix of the party where the Dixiecrat's pushed their agenda, and he knew what he was dealing with, and he knew how to deal with it, They could not kill him... all they could do, was jump to the republican part and try and confound the masses by the party flip, but the Democrats stood and went forward with Civil Rights and the promotions of Civil Liberties for American people.

White Right society who believed in Dixiecrat Ideals who'd amassed in the Republican Party had a choice with the 1965 Immigration Act , to embrace diversity, or to fall into white entrenchment to try and prolong white nationalism and they chose white entrenchment, and the Democrats embraced diversity.

 

[Greenbeard]

The argument your making is the same argument they made in the 80s or 90s when HMOs starting popping up. It was going to save everyone money because preventive medicine was a better approach but under that model prices have soared upward.

HMOs did slow health cost growth significantly in the '90s. But primarily through aggressive price negotiation with health care providers.

 

[Greenbeard]

From what I've seen the GOP is working to eliminate the requirement to cover PEC as it is now, and is looking for ways to create a system that more accurately deals with the additional costs paying for the care of someone who is already sick. A high-risk pool or something like that.

We already got to see what they've been working on:

Community-rated premiums would rise over time, and people who are less healthy (including those with preexisting or newly acquired medical conditions) would ultimately be unable to purchase comprehensive nongroup health insurance at premiums comparable to those under current law, if they could purchase it at all—despite the additional funding that would be available under H.R. 1628 to help reduce premiums. As a result, the nongroup markets in those states would become unstable for people with higher-than-average expected health care costs. That instability would cause some people who would have been insured in the nongroup market under current law to be uninsured.

Over time, it would become more difficult for less healthy people (including people with preexisting medical conditions) in those states to purchase insurance because their premiums would continue to increase rapidly.

People living in states modifying the EHBs who used services or benefits no longer included in the EHBs would experience substantial increases in out-of-pocket spending on health care or would choose to forgo the services.

Although the agencies expect that the legislation would increase the number of uninsured broadly, the increase would be disproportionately larger among older people with lower income—particularly people between 50 and 64 years old with income of less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level . . . For older people with lower income, net premiums would be much larger than under current law, on average.

However, the agencies estimate that about one-sixth of the population resides in areas in which the nongroup market would start to become unstable beginning in 2020. That instability would result from market responses to decisions by some states to waive two provisions of federal law, as would be permitted under H.R. 1628.

 

[BlueTex]

Do the math on INSURANCE risk pools. Medicare is, at its core, just another insurance program, albeit a nonprofit one, which separates it from the rest of our system.

Of course it is.. plenty of organizations have done the math and its a fact that the average medicare recipient receives more in benefits than they ever contributed...

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Of course it is.. plenty of organizations have done the math and its a fact that the average medicare recipient receives more in benefits than they ever contributed...

Are you going to go all Mercatus on me, because that error of omission has already been covered.

 

[RealityNow]

When Nixon came with his Southern Stragety, with the hopes of using the confusion to bring the ideals of Dixiecrat's who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1965, opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and detested with equal hateful passions the Immigration Act of 1965... they had hoped to confuse the uneducated white sector and try and change use the Republican party to roll back Civil Rights legislation's, and attack the Immigration Act of 1965, and they went into overdrive with the gerrymandering games. Then!!!!! Nixon's strategy was to break the backs of Unions, by Outsourcing the Strongest Union Industries of "Ore Processing", in an act and effort to weaken Unions as an aim to building a bulwark against minorities and women gaining economic parity with white men, via Union employment. they did not care that it would also damage the poor whites, because they feel they could always control the poor whites, by the exact same thing Johnson tried to warn the poor white against fall for.

When he told them... how they were hoodwinked, when he said:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
---President Lyndon Baines Johnson

Republicans have continued to use the exact same hoodwinking game on poor whites for decades..... Today, they use the "Mexican's and Central Americans" as being someone to look down upon by working poor and poor lesser educated whites, by Trump.... Sadly, they still have not figured it out, how they are used as a gambit piece while they are "fleeced with their willing support" and then deny they've been fleeced... as long as they have someone to look down upon. That's why it was so easy for Trump to push the "Tax Give Away to the Wealthy" while giving no more than $3 or so a day to the poor whites and doing so for a short time, while the Tax cuts to the wealthy is "permanent" under Trumps game he played on them. They still don't get it.... !!!! because they are still wrapped into the fictions and fantasy of a Wall... that is a symbol of having someone to look down upon. So... they accept being fleeced, as long as they think they have someone locked in placed to look down upon... All the while they are unaware of how Nothing that is being done benefits working poor and poor whites... they don't care... as long as nothing is done to benefit minorities and they have the promotion of race bias and Mexicans as a symbol of someone to look down upon.

It's the damnest thing ever!!!!.. how the madness of racism makes people "willfully ignorant" and "self defeating".. all because they can't see beyond their own skin. All the while "everything is being stripped from them"... and all they can think is, a hope and prayer that it diminish the upward progress of minorities and stateside Mexicans.

All this explains the elements of why they fight so hard against "Universal Health Care"... because they detest the thought of those they want to look down upon, having access to the same health care for All. They whine about money... because they have been told to do so... !!! but they have been told to be blind to the fact the real money is being gobbled up by Military Contractors, Republican Backing of Give Away's to Corporations and Allowing the Medical Community to be without pricing controls and allowing the Pharmaceuticals to fleece every penny they can, while the rest is fleeced by the same Republicans through their gaming of pretending to be Fiscal Conservatives, while truly means, "they only want money to go to Republican targeted concerns"... Not once did they complain about the money wasted on Melania staying in Trump Tower and what it cost to secure it, or the incessant golfing trips and the cost, and the cost to protect Trumps property at taxpayer expense. Trump won't use Camp David, because he gets Free Protect for his Florida Property by making it his "go to place". It should and does violate every aspect of the emoluments principles, but Republican can't see it. They can't see the cost of waste of the Gov. Shut down and they've said not one word about such a massive waste and cost to society. Because to them, they care only of having someone 'designated and focused upon Mexicans, as in having someone to look down upon". They can't even see the ethnic and moral debacle and disgrace that Trump has created in the Office of the Presidency, as long as he keeps giving them focus on someone to look down upon.

 

[Bullseye]

We already got to see what they've been working on:

This is almost two years old, I've seen more recent proposals that deal with these problems.

 

[RealityNow]

They gloss over the truth, and run right back to the "drama spins", because they have been groomed to "chase a daily and moment by moment drama fix", just as a dedicated drama junkie will do.

they have the daily "Drama Posse Makers" in Limbaugh, Hannity and the whole of the Right Wing Media... if they don't get that daily drama fix... their head might explode and they will become void in every way, because they know nothing else to build their lives upon. the "Attack Something" is like a fixed in the mind agenda, and they'd been doing it so long until... they can't fathom the concept of growing up in the mind and thinking for themselves outside of the bias, bigotry, racism and the desperation's of wanting to have some group to look down upon". They've been trained over decades.. to daily seek and look for anything, to try and deny something to others.
Then they whine about "my tax dollars"... while the wealthy has fleeced the entire system of the tax dollars, needed for infrastructure, and rebuilding America. they have been made ignorant to think they are the only ones who pay taxes. But, they never look back and learn... how for 100yrs, they took the tax monies paid by minorities and used it to build up things for themselves to keep their taxes low, for what they want. Now, when its time to pay the fair share, and use tax dollars to benefit "all" of America and Americans... then they start whining and crying about paying taxes.

They have "SELECTIVE AMNESIA" and they live in a continual cycle of "Folklore Confabulations" and angry because they can't direct all tax dollars just to themselves and what they want for themselves only.

This is what the history of white nationalistic madness taught them, and how the ignorance of prejudice and racism led them in the same circle of madness, generation after generation.. and they are as poor today, as were their poor whites and working poor white ancestry was long ago... and the wealthy have increased their wealth 1000 fold. While they still lust for "someone to look down upon" and "someone to blame".... but they will never lay the blame on the wealthy who have gamed them like stoolies and hoodwinked them as if they are locked in being the uneducated, belligerent attack something, self defeating minions they have made of themselves. "Then they whine and cry "We've been left behind"... when true fact is they keep running backwards, chasing the vile systems of the past. The same past that saw their ancestry as nothing more than the "service class" who deserved nothing more than substandard wage and substandard living conditions and a cycle of being fleeced by every republican administration for the past 50 yrs, just like their ancestry was fleeced for 100's of years.
But... why try to tell them anything, as long as they think their white skin gives them someone to look down upon..... Willful Ignorance is its own hell, and they keep making it and promoting it and then whining about the devastation it invokes upon them and their own offspring's.

MLK tried to tell them.. and they fought against him, and ignored the truth he tried to tell them.
He said:

The Strange Career of Jim Crow, clearly points out, the segregation of the races was really a political stratagem employed by the emerging Bourbon interests in the South to keep the southern masses divided and southern labor the cheapest in the land. You see, it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low.

If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. (Yes, sir) He gave him Jim Crow. (Uh huh) And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, (Yes, sir) he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. (Right sir) And he ate Jim Crow.

Novices talking about things they don't know anything about, when it comes to the system and how it can design, implement, deploy and manage and maintain universal health care. They (Right Wingers and Republicans) whine about health care cost, yet, are blind in mind to the Trillion+ dollars that was given to the wealthy to buy back stocks and make themselves richer.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know, the most hilarious, or infuriating (or both) thing about the whole Medicare for All isn't affordable argument omits the fact that Medicare is still prohibited BY LAW from negotiating on drug prices.

Drug companies with exclusivity can charge ANYTHING they want and insurance companies and Medicare HAS TO to pay it. Like a drug for cystic fibrosis that has a price tag of $350,000 a year! My wife used to take a drug for MS that costs them about $100 a year to make and they charged $75,000 to $120,000 a year! And all the other drug companies who make an MS drug charge about the same.

But the biggest flaw in the Urban Institute and Mercatus study is the error of omission.

M4A will cost us THIRTY TWO TRILLION OVER TEN YEARS!!!!!!



Hardly anybody even gets to see FINE PRINT rebuttals that point to the fact that, at the rate we're going with free market right now, we are spending at a rate of 36 trillion over ten years, and with skyrocketing costs that figure might even hit FIFTY TRILLION.

And it also leaves out the fact that the $32 trillion is IN PLACE OF PREMIUMS Americans have to pay for now, at rates between 36 trillion and 50 trillion, which their taxes would cover instead, so what happens to the money saved?
It goes into the economy, yes?
Oh never mind, never mind, don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain!!

 

[RealityNow]

All this spin and drama... They (Right Winger and Republican Masses) have no concept of idea of how much Taxpayer money pays for the research and development of drugs, and fill the pockets of the people who make a living off this grant money within companies, and they turn and charge the same people(American Taxpayers) who's money they used, by tagging on an excessive price for a drug they (American Taxpayers) basically already paid to have developed and made. It's why the wealth laugh at the fools pushing the spin. You don't see the wealthy on these sites playing this "spin the drama", they are too busy counting the money from the fools.

People are too uneducated to push congress to "set prices controls" on drugs they have already funded the development and creation of. When people are uneducated and unaware... its quite easy for this game to be played out for so long upon the people.

They same is true for Advanced Medical Testing Equipment, Grant and Research and Development Grant Funds support much of the creation of the technology and the industrial development of these test units. Again, we have the capability to set cost controls on what it cost the citizens to be tested for their medical needs by these units.

These are things the average "drama spinner" not only has no awareness of, they are too wrapped in the spin of drama to even think in such terms to become of awareness. !!!!!

go back and look at the comments... its filled with a string of absurdities.... but ... for those who like the "drama fix'... they will keep spinning in the drama and deluding themselves as if they are "smart"... while they exhibit how unaware they truly are. Politician's have played on that level of "lack of educational awareness" and they spin the people with "drama" and fleece them by process and programs... and many of them 'never know the impact of what has overcome them.

Government Funding of Pharmaceutical Research and Development

________________
In reality, companies receive substantial publicly-funded support from the government. A recent study found that all 210 drugs approved in the U.S. between 2010 and 2016 benefitted from publicly-funded research, either directly or indirectly.

Taxpayers contribute through public university research, grants, subsidies, and other incentives. This means people are often paying twice for their medicines: through their tax dollars and at the pharmacy.

 

[Greenbeard]

This is almost two years old, I've seen more recent proposals that deal with these problems.

We waited ten years for them to cough up that legislation. And it would've been a disaster for people with health conditions.