POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean on Vietnam Vet war crime charges. (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

How wonderful this would be:

http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean
On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges
- by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

(10/15/2006)

Thirty five years ago John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam branding them as a "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then-Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

 

[tecoyah]

How wonderful this would be:

http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean
On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges
- by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

(10/15/2006)

Thirty five years ago John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam branding them as a "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then-Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

Swift Boating is sooooo....2004

But hey, Keep goin' there Navy Pride.....you may very well get people to look away from Bushs war record for a minute or two....oh....wait, he doesn't have one. Point is the Dems could have made a huge issue of the "Missing" reserve documents, and the record of Our President during the Viet Nam War...but I suppose they simply decided to let it drop.
Here you are bringing up a guy who really doesn't matter at this point, it would seem to draw attention away from the upcoming election cycle....I think you may be on the Rove Payroll. Kerry likely made up, or exagerated much in his book, and perhaps his testimony...I really dont care, as there are pressing issues in the here and now. Still.....just to add context to your little quoted portion:

"I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971

 

[BWG]

Perhaps the fightin' sailor man could testify against (or for) Kerry since he claimed he was a combat veteran himself.

......I volunteered to serve in the military and served in combat in Nam...I could have died.....

......I have seen war first hand in Vietnam......

Ya think that while he was under oath he could answer this question?

What was your position and duty? What exactly was your combat mission?

:rofl :2rofll:

 

[easyt65]

Swift Boating is sooooo....2004
But hey, Keep goin' there Navy Pride.....you may very well get people to look away from Bushs war record for a minute or two....oh....wait, he doesn't have one.

:rofl

Funny how the hypocritical Left DEMANDS the entire GOP be held accountable for 1 Perv, that he be fired and that every GOP politician be voted out of office yet one of their own Pervs, eho actually HAD SEX with a page was ignored, the scandal ridden out, and the guy stayed in office.


Funny how the hypocritical Left demands accoutability of its members, that they be held responsible for their actions, yet when one of their own's actions are questioned, like Kerry here, it is Sooooo not important, Soooooo not applicable to them because they demand 2 seperate sets of rules - 1 for them and 1 for the GOP.

I personally think that such a thing shoul be investigated. After all, John Kerry himself made the Viet Nam War and his testimony/stance on what he saw and on BS heresay that would never be allowed in a court of law the very foundation of his olitical platform, philosophy, and even still today declares that is who he is, even running for President on that theme/time in history/event. I think it is extremely important, if a candidate bases his whole personna, career, philosophy on 1 event/time, to find out the TRUTH of that 1 instance/time/event, whether 'who he is' is based on fact or BS!

I think it is kinda cool though that, thanks to John Kerry, we now have a new term for debunking political representatives' lies: 'Swift Boating' - Cool!

Having nothing to fear, you would think he would embrace this opportunity to re-state and prove once again who he is and 'where he comes from'. Of course, this is the man also said he personally witnessed attrocities then recanted later, told before Congress how he had taken part in the burning of villages (making him a War Criminal), and - more recrently - saying that he would release his war records right after the last election. Hey John, we're STILL waiting!

 

[Navy Pride]

Swift Boating is sooooo....2004

But hey, Keep goin' there Navy Pride.....you may very well get people to look away from Bushs war record for a minute or two....oh....wait, he doesn't have one. Point is the Dems could have made a huge issue of the "Missing" reserve documents, and the record of Our President during the Viet Nam War...but I suppose they simply decided to let it drop.
Here you are bringing up a guy who really doesn't matter at this point, it would seem to draw attention away from the upcoming election cycle....I think you may be on the Rove Payroll. Kerry likely made up, or exagerated much in his book, and perhaps his testimony...I really dont care, as there are pressing issues in the here and now. Still.....just to add context to your little quoted portion:

"I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971

Swiftboating huh? The guy that is instituting this law suit is a Medal of Honor winner and a prisoner of war.......

Anotther example of how you and Kerry hate our military and veterans..........

 

[faithful_servant]

If "swift-boating" means getting the truth out, then bring it on!!! If Sen. Kerry's military record is so untouchably pure, then why doesn't he make it public? All I hear from the left on this is that it's a matter of privacy, but if that's the case then why would he bring it up at all? He has the right to only allow specific portions o fhis record released, so why doesn't he release the parts relevant to his combat tours and the injuries that lead to the PHs he so willingly throws in people's face?

 

[shuamort]

I see no problem making these people testify under oath 35+ years after what had happened. Their memories should be clear as a bell and recall every detail.

 

[faithful_servant]

I see no problem making these people testify under oath 35+ years after what had happened. Their memories should be clear as a bell and recall every detail.

How about documentation of the events? Would that be acceptable?

 

[shuamort]

How about documentation of the events? Would that be acceptable?

Sure, the problem is that since Kerry's accounts in Winter Soldier were based on others' testimonies (assumably), we'd need to get them to prove their claims. It's going to be harder to prove a negative (that these things never happened at all) than it would be to prove a positive (that they happened and here's a photo/ear/etc).

I'd love to know the truth of what happened to put the mess that this whole thing has caused but I'm concerned that this is going to be a skeleton dig in the wrong cemetary.

 

[TheHonestTruth]

Its freedom of speech, since he wasn't naming names he can't be sued for libel. This is a baseless lawsuit drummed up for weak political reasons.

 

[faithful_servant]

Since Sen. Kerry supposedly has substantial evidence of war crimes being committed and he can back up this evidence with names, shouldn't he at least be subpeonaed and asked for those names? How about we just ask that he back up his claims with kind of prooof other than testimony that would be almost instantly thrown out of any court in the country as completely unsupported hearsay evidence?
This guy refuses to take the steps needed to bring to justice confessed criminals and for some reason a certain political party just keeps putting him in office. You'd think that a political party that is trying to portray itself as being the moral party would demand that he step out, do the right thing and bring these confessed criminals to justice. Anything short of full, 100% cooperation should be treated as obstruction of justice. IWO, put up or shut up, Senator.

 

[Navy Pride]

If "swift-boating" means getting the truth out, then bring it on!!! If Sen. Kerry's military record is so untouchably pure, then why doesn't he make it public? All I hear from the left on this is that it's a matter of privacy, but if that's the case then why would he bring it up at all? He has the right to only allow specific portions o fhis record released, so why doesn't he release the parts relevant to his combat tours and the injuries that lead to the PHs he so willingly throws in people's face?

Because it would show the fraud that he really is........He will never release them....

 

[Captain America]

I could never figure out if what Kerry said was wrong because it didn't happen or if it was wrong that he came back to the states and shined a limelight on it for his own political advancement.

For example, those "snuff films" that CNN aired. Nobody has really denied that the filmed attrocities did, in fact, happen, but most of the folks seemed to voice their displeasure that the film was shown.

I have spoken to more than a handful of Viet Nam vets that were in the thick of things over there. Some of the stories they brought back fall right in line with Kerry's testimony.

So here I am. Back at the starting line. Is Kerry catching flack for testifying on events that did not happen or is he catching flack for snitching about it?

I, for one, am convinced they did, in fact, happen. Or, my friends, neighbors, and family are lying through their teeth when they talk about their experiences in the Nam too. Because some of their stories mirror Kerry's reports to the tee.

That movie "Platoon," from a couple of decades back, pretty much portrayed the Viet Nam experience as :

"They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

Granted, that's Hollywood. But I don't remember people being up in arms over that film. Hollywood is a long way from Washington though.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I'm confused.

Kerry isn't named in the lawsuit. The suit is "

Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al"

Kenneth Campbell is the Vietnam Vet quoted in the Swift Boaty 2004 film Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal against Kerry. Campbell was going to sue Sinclair if they aired the slander piece.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46338-2004Oct19.html

 

[Navy Pride]

I'm confused.

Kerry isn't named in the lawsuit. The suit is "

Kenneth Campbell is the Vietnam Vet quoted in the Swift Boaty 2004 film Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal against Kerry. Campbell was going to sue Sinclair if they aired the slander piece.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46338-2004Oct19.html

Your link is a couple of years old and this one is more current.....He is defintely mentioned here.......

http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

 

[BWG]

I have spoken to more than a handful of Viet Nam vets that were in the thick of things over there. Some of the stories they brought back fall right in line with Kerry's testimony.

I, for one, am convinced they did, in fact, happen. Or, my friends, neighbors, and family are lying through their teeth when they talk about their experiences in the Nam too. Because some of their stories mirror Kerry's reports to the tee.

When different people who don't know each other tell you similar stories, you may not have proof that would stand up in court, but you tend to think that they're not lying.

Let me also say that not every Vietnam combat veteran I know has relayed such tales to me.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Anotther example of how you and Kerry hate our military and veterans..........

Wrong, AGAIN! Just another example how you will stoop as low as it gets to defame anyone who is a Democrat. It makes you crazy that Kerry tossed his medals away to protest the nightmares he witnessed in Vietnam.

It took true strength to go ON THE RECORD to expose the My Lai ING slaughters that occured in Vietnam by soldiers from all sides driven to extremes by an insane war.

It's insulting and plain stupid to suggest that any American and especially any American politician does not support our soldiers but then again if we consider the source of this thread then the rationale of deception and falsehood is plainly obvious.

 

[BubbaBob]

... so why doesn't he release the parts relevant to his combat tours and the injuries that lead to the PHs he so willingly throws in people's face?

He doesn't throw his medals in folk's faces...remember...he threw them over the WH fence...he doesn't have them to throw in folk's faces.

What a load of crap sKerry the Kept Man is.

BubbaBob

 

[tecoyah]

Anotther example of how you and Kerry hate our military and veterans..........

If you EVER.....Insult me personally in such a way again Navy Pride. I will be forced to make an example of you on this site. That statement was uncalled for and has....upset me more than anything I have ever seen you post.

I would recommend at this point, you restate that comment in such a way as to remove the personal, unfounded and petty insult to my person. That is below.....even you.

Do you really want me to start using your tactics against you.....Because I am certainly capable of Using your comments against you in this Public realm, the Ammunition for this "Style of Debate" is plentiful, if you want me to play that way.

 

[BubbaBob]

If you EVER.....Insult me personally in such a way again Navy Pride. I will be forced to make an example of you on this site. That statement was uncalled for and has....upset me more than anything I have ever seen you post.

I would recommend at this point, you restate that comment in such a way as to remove the personal, unfounded and petty insult to my person. That is below.....even you.

Do you really want me to start using your tactics against you.....Because I am certainly capable of Using your comments against you in this Public realm, the Ammunition for this "Style of Debate" is plentiful, if you want me to play that way.

Tec...grow up.

BubbaBob

 

[tryreading]

How wonderful this would be:

http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean
On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges
- by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

(10/15/2006)

Thirty five years ago John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam branding them as a "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then-Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

Do you think there were no atrocities committed by us when we were in Vietnam?

 

[Captain America]

If you EVER.....Insult me personally in such a way again Navy Pride. I will be forced to make an example of you on this site. That statement was uncalled for and has....upset me more than anything I have ever seen you post.

I would recommend at this point, you restate that comment in such a way as to remove the personal, unfounded and petty insult to my person. That is below.....even you.

Do you really want me to start using your tactics against you.....Because I am certainly capable of Using your comments against you in this Public realm, the Ammunition for this "Style of Debate" is plentiful, if you want me to play that way.

NP deserves a point on the Report a Prick thread.....just waiting for someone to report it.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Your link is a couple of years old and this one is more current.....He is defintely mentioned here.......

http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

My link was about the film. Kerry isn't named in this suit as far as I can see.

 

[easyt65]

This is a baseless lawsuit drummed up for weak political reasons.

'Weak political reasons'? Yeah, like clearing the names of the people he slandered and finally getting to the REAL truth out! Yup, Weak as well-water!

 

[Navy Pride]

If you EVER.....Insult me personally in such a way again Navy Pride. I will be forced to make an example of you on this site. That statement was uncalled for and has....upset me more than anything I have ever seen you post.

I would recommend at this point, you restate that comment in such a way as to remove the personal, unfounded and petty insult to my person. That is below.....even you.

Do you really want me to start using your tactics against you.....Because I am certainly capable of Using your comments against you in this Public realm, the Ammunition for this "Style of Debate" is plentiful, if you want me to play that way.

Did I hit a nerve? I just calls em as I see em.......