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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

No, have you any idea how much sending a billion letters by mail cost?
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

Wouldn't that be a hoot! I bet democrats would still deny any voter fraud.
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

Why do you think Trump is so incompetent that he can not make voting by mail secure?
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

No, that's not a possible outcome.

Why is it that every right winger thinks zero election security measures exist?
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

It's almost like you have no idea how mail in ballots are cast... Do we need to review again... Each ballot is placed in an envelope with the voters identification information AND signature on the outside of the envelope. The envelopes are each verified BEFORE the envelope is opened. If they open it and find two ballots, it's not recorded. If there is one ballot, it is processed as a cast ballot. There are very few voting precincts that have the exact same ballot since they usually also have city, county and state positions up for election as well as bond measures, etc. The complexities of duplicating the correct ballots for each precinct, forging correct voter identification information including a signature on every ballot cast makes it very, very difficult to cast enough ballots correctly to influence an election.
 

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Wouldn't that be a hoot! I bet democrats would still deny any voter fraud.

Democrats have never denied "any voter fraud." Voter fraud is very rare, it is not zero. You still don't understand the difference in 2020? That's on you.
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

These steps make it difficult to engage in fraud on a widespread basis. You can’t request a ballot for a person that is mailed to your address as opposed to that person’s official address with the election authorities. Even if someone wanted to wait by a mailbox for the absentee ballot to be sent to the registered voters so you could steal their ballot, you would never know what day the absentee ballot would arrive because voters can request them for several weeks prior to an election and election authorities send them out as the requests come in.

The Brennan Center's seminal report The Truth About Voter Fraud conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies, including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.

A Washington Post review of the 2016 election found one proven case of postal voting fraud.

And a voter fraud database collated by Arizona State University between 2000 and 2012, found 491 cases of postal ballot fraud out of hundreds of millions of votes.

Oregon has held postal elections since 2000 and has only reported 14 fraudulent votes attempted by mail.

Good try Tovarich, but no luck!

Voter Fraud is a con that Trump is trying to push on people, especially the dumb ones.
 

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The mail in ballots used do not have any watermark nor any other protection against being duplicated. Anyone can photocopy as many ballots at they want. So is this a possible election outcome?

Donald J. Trump: 215,194,284,103
Joe Biden: 234,584,298,984

Biden with 234 billion votes to Trump's 215 billion votes.

Fraud on that scale would certainly be discovered and brought to justice long before it could affect the election.

Which is why voter fraud is near non-existant; to do any good it would have to scale to a point that it would expose itself.
 

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Fraud on that scale would certainly be discovered and brought to justice long before it could affect the election.

Which is why voter fraud is near non-existant; to do any good it would have to scale to a point that it would expose itself.

In the primaries, mostly on the Democratic side, hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots were thrown away. There is nothing to prevent mass scale mail in ballot fraud - nothing.
 

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In the primaries, mostly on the Democratic side, hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots were thrown away. There is nothing to prevent mass scale mail in ballot fraud - nothing.

He was talking hundreds of millions, but don't be surprised if and when whomever through away ballots are found out.
 

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Oh...another one who wants Trump to be king.

:doh

We expect leadership from the white house.

We aren't getting it. No plan for securing vote by mail. No plan for healthcare. No plan for police reform. No plan for COVID support. Nothing.
 

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We expect leadership from the white house.

We aren't getting it. No plan for securing vote by mail. ~snipped the lying~

Please...don't go all hyperbole on me. And don't lie.

It's not up to Trump to trot out a "plan for securing vote by mail". That's the job of the states who DECIDE to conduct vote by mail.

If you want Trump to tell the states how to run their elections, sorry...you are going to have to make him the king first.
 

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Please...don't go all hyperbole on me. And don't lie.

It's not up to Trump to trot out a "plan for securing vote by mail". That's the job of the states who DECIDE to conduct vote by mail.

If you want Trump to tell the states how to run their elections, sorry...you are going to have to make him the king first.

Really? The feds can't even come up with recommendations? Are they too stupid?
 

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Really? The feds can't even come up with recommendations? Are they too stupid?

The states don't need recommendations from the fed. They can figure it out on their own...and if that's too difficult, they should either ask another state who's made a system that works (like Colorado) how to do it or they should just put the idea aside for when they CAN figure it out.
 

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The states don't need recommendations from the fed. They can figure it out on their own...and if that's too difficult, they should either ask another state who's made a system that works (like Colorado) how to do it or they should just put the idea aside for when they CAN figure it out.

Um, since the discussion is "securing vote by mail", it will have to at least be something the USPS and states would need to consult each other on.
 

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The states don't need recommendations from the fed. They can figure it out on their own...and if that's too difficult, they should either ask another state who's made a system that works (like Colorado) how to do it or they should just put the idea aside for when they CAN figure it out.

Ahh, so you admit that vote by mail can work just fine. Excellent, I'm glad we agree.
 

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Ahh, so you admit that vote by mail can work just fine. Excellent, I'm glad we agree.

Of course it can. I have been voting by mail here in Colorado for seven years. It works great.

But then, we've didn't try to cobble together some inferior system out of our absentee system in less than ten months. We did it right.

(and we didn't need any feds to tell us how to do it)
 
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