Porn should be banned, here’s why

[EMNofSeattle]

Simple argument, all forms of internet pornography should be totally banned by the government. I should say all porn but I’ll stick to internet for now. Here’s why

1) it is intrinsically evil:
The sexual act is ordered towards procreation and unity towards the partners, any deviation is disordered, disordered acts are evil because they are not good. It damages the soul to view pornography

2) There is rampant abuse of the actors in the industry: many pornographic actresses take drugs in order to shoot the scenes. Many actresses and actors have been sexually abused as children and their participation in porn is furthering their trauma

3) it is impossible to regulate:
it is impossible to determine whether or not the performers in every single internet video uploaded to video browsing sites have given full legal consent and are legal adults. In many cases there are videos of revenge porn posted which destroy the lives of the victims and forever associate their names with depictions or intimate moments they believed were private. More disturbingly many searches for videos contain words like “rape” or “gangbang” meaning the searcher is looking for videos of content that it at least identical to a fantasy of sexual assault. Many other search terms commonly used on browsers express an interest in seeing teenaged girls.

4) These websites often market to children and are easily accessible to minors. If RJ Reynolds started a website where teens could just mail order cigarettes with no ID and no age verification there would be hell to pay, why is it different? Cigarettes are way less harmful then porn. Children cannot legally consent to view such images. If some guy in a trench coat was at the park handing out Penthouse there would be an uproar. Yet internet porn is worse.

Common defenses made by wankers and misguided libertarians include:

“Well it’s not harming anyone”

well I just showed multiple ways it does

“but muh first amendment”

your first amendment was never written to protect pornography. It was written to protect political speech conveying ideas. Pornography does not contain political ideas. The founders were not considering protecting your right to watch children getting raped on porn sites.

“people will do it anyway”
So the F what?

“well let’s see your browser history you bible thumping hypocrite”

PM me with some way you can look at my history and we’ll discuss it, but even if I did look at porn, which I regrettably used to do but fortunately no longer do, it does not mean any argument I make is wrong. the Amor lives in LA and in her neighborhood when people get on the freeway they drive fast, I get on the 405 and pull 80 mph and people are still passing me, does this mean I’m wrong to support speed limits? No it does not.
Conclusion, internet pornography should be totally outlawed no exceptions

 

[dex4974]

Do you have any idea how big of a black market you would create? There would be porn mafias.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

The government has no business trying to legislate morality.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do you have any idea how big of a black market you would create? There would be porn mafias.

there’s a fairly easy way to regulate, just make the executives of ISPs criminally liable for allowing it to be accessed On their networks.
Sure there’s ways around this, but unlike leftists I’m not a utopian, I don’t claim the problem
Will go away, merely that heavy regulation will decrease viewership.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The government has no business trying to legislate morality.

I’ll be generous and just assume you haven’t been a law library perhaps ever in your life and seen bookshelves full of thousands of annotated books explaining just how much the government currently regulates your morality

 

[dex4974]

there’s a fairly easy way to regulate, just make the executives of ISPs criminally liable for allowing it to be accessed On their networks.
Sure there’s ways around this, but unlike leftists I’m not a utopian, I don’t claim the problem
Will go away, merely that heavy regulation will decrease viewership.

The problem won't just not go away it will get worse. When you drive that shit underground the whole process gets sketchier. Get ready for a lot more child porn and victimized women.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The problem immediately becomes one of definition. Internet content designed to produce sexual excitement (typically used as the definition of pornography) is subject to very broad interpretation.

 

[wolfsgirl]

1. No one is forcing you or anyone else to watch porn.

2. If they are legal adults the actors and actresses get to make their own decisions as to what they want to do with their bodies.

3. If someone is breaking the law they can be prosecuted. Your premise could be applied to anything. Since people drive drunk we should ban cars. Since people assault with baseball bats we should ban baseball bats. Or even guns. Some people use guns for criminal purposes, so we should ban guns. right?

4.Parental responsibility. I do not need the government to parent my children, that is my job.

 

[Helix]

considering these views on porn, i take it that the OP will be not be voting for Spanky, as he porked a porn star and then paid her off.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The problem won't just not go away it will get worse. When you drive that shit underground the whole process gets sketchier. Get ready for a lot more child porn and victimized women.

That is an assumption for which you have no evidence. You probably subscribe to the “prohibition mentality” which is the false claim prohibition doesn’t work because it never has worked, but that’s not true. Far fewer adults viewed porn when it required going to a video store and showing your ID to a rental clerk and giving your phone number. Magazines like playboy depict stills of adults.

so making it hard to view porn will decrease abuse, not increase it. And it will make it harder to hide child abuse amongst a sea of “legal” content.

when we prohibited alcohol in the 20s actual alcoholism cratered and so did rates of cihrrosis of the liver. Showing massive compliance with prohibition

 

[dex4974]

That is an assumption for which you have no evidence. You probably subscribe to the “prohibition mentality” which is the false claim prohibition doesn’t work because it never has worked, but that’s not true. Far fewer adults viewed porn when it required going to a video store and showing your ID to a rental clerk and giving your phone number. Magazines like playboy depict stills of adults.

so making it hard to view porn will decrease abuse, not increase it. And it will make it harder to hide child abuse amongst a sea of “legal” content.

when we prohibited alcohol in the 20s actual alcoholism cratered and so did rates of cihrrosis of the liver. Showing massive compliance with prohibition

If you make porn illegal the entire process of distributing illegal pornography will become more sophisticated and harder to control due to demand pushing innovation. That will empower victimization porn.

 

[joko104]

My problem with porn is once it went online it became available to children. Given porn includes rape porn, abuse porn, bestiality, etc, I see it as a real problem as it intermingles violence, rape, sadism etc with sex as a norm including to children. "Click here if you are not 18" doesn't work and everyone knows it.

 

[Rexedgar]

That monkey needs some spanking!

 

[Rexedgar]

My problem with porn is once it went online it became available to children. Given porn includes rape porn, abuse porn, bestiality, etc, I see it as a real problem as it intermingles violence, rape, sadism etc with sex as a norm including to children. "Click here if you are not 18" doesn't work and everyone knows it.

That’s where a parent comes in........

 

[Irredentist]

Simple argument, all forms of internet pornography should be totally banned by the government. I should say all porn but I’ll stick to internet for now. Here’s why

1) it is intrinsically evil:
The sexual act is ordered towards procreation and unity towards the partners, any deviation is disordered, disordered acts are evil because they are not good. It damages the soul to view pornography

2) There is rampant abuse of the actors in the industry: many pornographic actresses take drugs in order to shoot the scenes. Many actresses and actors have been sexually abused as children and their participation in porn is furthering their trauma

3) it is impossible to regulate:
it is impossible to determine whether or not the performers in every single internet video uploaded to video browsing sites have given full legal consent and are legal adults. In many cases there are videos of revenge porn posted which destroy the lives of the victims and forever associate their names with depictions or intimate moments they believed were private. More disturbingly many searches for videos contain words like “rape” or “gangbang” meaning the searcher is looking for videos of content that it at least identical to a fantasy of sexual assault. Many other search terms commonly used on browsers express an interest in seeing teenaged girls.

4) These websites often market to children and are easily accessible to minors. If RJ Reynolds started a website where teens could just mail order cigarettes with no ID and no age verification there would be hell to pay, why is it different? Cigarettes are way less harmful then porn. Children cannot legally consent to view such images. If some guy in a trench coat was at the park handing out Penthouse there would be an uproar. Yet internet porn is worse.

Common defenses made by wankers and misguided libertarians include:

“Well it’s not harming anyone”

well I just showed multiple ways it does

“but muh first amendment”

your first amendment was never written to protect pornography. It was written to protect political speech conveying ideas. Pornography does not contain political ideas. The founders were not considering protecting your right to watch children getting raped on porn sites.

“people will do it anyway”
So the F what?

“well let’s see your browser history you bible thumping hypocrite”

PM me with some way you can look at my history and we’ll discuss it, but even if I did look at porn, which I regrettably used to do but fortunately no longer do, it does not mean any argument I make is wrong. the Amor lives in LA and in her neighborhood when people get on the freeway they drive fast, I get on the 405 and pull 80 mph and people are still passing me, does this mean I’m wrong to support speed limits? No it does not.
Conclusion, internet pornography should be totally outlawed no exceptions

I don't believe for half a second that you give a damn about the health or well being of pornographic actors. They're deviants and degenerates according to you. Don't pretend that you care. I don't see you advocating for funding women's shelters. And now you want to put them out their jobs, by criminalizing their entire industry, and forcing them all to what, work at McDonald's where they'd make far less money?

Some plan.

 

[Marco Montana]

Simple argument, all forms of internet pornography should be totally banned by the government. I should say all porn but I’ll stick to internet for now. Here’s why

1) it is intrinsically evil:
The sexual act is ordered towards procreation and unity towards the partners, any deviation is disordered, disordered acts are evil because they are not good. It damages the soul to view pornography

2) There is rampant abuse of the actors in the industry: many pornographic actresses take drugs in order to shoot the scenes. Many actresses and actors have been sexually abused as children and their participation in porn is furthering their trauma

3) it is impossible to regulate:
it is impossible to determine whether or not the performers in every single internet video uploaded to video browsing sites have given full legal consent and are legal adults. In many cases there are videos of revenge porn posted which destroy the lives of the victims and forever associate their names with depictions or intimate moments they believed were private. More disturbingly many searches for videos contain words like “rape” or “gangbang” meaning the searcher is looking for videos of content that it at least identical to a fantasy of sexual assault. Many other search terms commonly used on browsers express an interest in seeing teenaged girls.

4) These websites often market to children and are easily accessible to minors. If RJ Reynolds started a website where teens could just mail order cigarettes with no ID and no age verification there would be hell to pay, why is it different? Cigarettes are way less harmful then porn. Children cannot legally consent to view such images. If some guy in a trench coat was at the park handing out Penthouse there would be an uproar. Yet internet porn is worse.

Common defenses made by wankers and misguided libertarians include:

“Well it’s not harming anyone”

well I just showed multiple ways it does

“but muh first amendment”

your first amendment was never written to protect pornography. It was written to protect political speech conveying ideas. Pornography does not contain political ideas. The founders were not considering protecting your right to watch children getting raped on porn sites.

“people will do it anyway”
So the F what?

“well let’s see your browser history you bible thumping hypocrite”

PM me with some way you can look at my history and we’ll discuss it, but even if I did look at porn, which I regrettably used to do but fortunately no longer do, it does not mean any argument I make is wrong. the Amor lives in LA and in her neighborhood when people get on the freeway they drive fast, I get on the 405 and pull 80 mph and people are still passing me, does this mean I’m wrong to support speed limits? No it does not.
Conclusion, internet pornography should be totally outlawed no exceptions

What you deem Evil is of no consequence to the American Citizens that have a 14th Amendment, kindly don't participate and go on your way!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

1. No one is forcing you or anyone else to watch porn.

Irrelevant

2. If they are legal adults the actors and actresses get to make their own decisions as to what they want to do with their bodies.

That presupposes that you have full autonomy to do with your body as you wish, the truth is you don’t [/quote]

3. If someone is breaking the law they can be prosecuted. Your premise could be applied to anything. Since people drive drunk we should ban cars. Since people assault with baseball bats we should ban baseball bats. Or even guns. Some people use guns for criminal purposes, so we should ban guns. right?

There is social utility to cars, firearms, and baseball bats that does not apply to pornography. Even then though many countries do regulate these items for the public good.

4.Parental responsibility. I do not need the government to parent my children, that is my job.

if porn actors went to the park and began publicly having sex re-enacting a rape scene from a porn video you would call the cops not say “well I’m sure glad the government isn’t parenting my kids”

 

[beefheart]

Don't like it? Don't watch it.

It is pretty funny that the porn usage is really high in the bible belt...LOL

 

[wolfsgirl]

My problem with porn is once it went online it became available to children. Given porn includes rape porn, abuse porn, bestiality, etc, I see it as a real problem as it intermingles violence, rape, sadism etc with sex as a norm including to children. "Click here if you are not 18" doesn't work and everyone knows it.

Porn has always been available to children. Playboys under the mattress, dads VHS tapes that were snuck out of the house, at a friends house.
It is the parents responsibility to parent their children.

I would be in favor of ID check for online services though. I have had to do online ID verification for nicotine purchases and alcohol sales. It wouldn't be difficult to institute.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That’s where a parent comes in........

And does what? Joins the Amish? (Actually not a bad thing at all) every household in America has high speed porn access, you can’t control your kids finding it if it’s not centrally regulated

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Don't like it? Don't watch it.

It is pretty funny that the porn usage is really high in the bible belt...LOL

I don’t think it’s funny at all that many souls are dead inside because of their addiction to pornography. I don’t think it’s funny that anyone anywhere is funneling dollars to child rape, sex assault, and humiliation of men and women

 

[Irredentist]

And does what? Joins the Amish? (Actually not a bad thing at all) every household in America has high speed porn access, you can’t control your kids finding it if it’s not centrally regulated

You could try setting a password on your computer...

If you give your kids free access to the internet, then it's YOUR fault if they look at things they're not supposed to.

 

[lwf]

That is an assumption for which you have no evidence. You probably subscribe to the “prohibition mentality” which is the false claim prohibition doesn’t work because it never has worked, but that’s not true. Far fewer adults viewed porn when it required going to a video store and showing your ID to a rental clerk and giving your phone number. Magazines like playboy depict stills of adults.

so making it hard to view porn will decrease abuse, not increase it. And it will make it harder to hide child abuse amongst a sea of “legal” content.

when we prohibited alcohol in the 20s actual alcoholism cratered and so did rates of cihrrosis of the liver. Showing massive compliance with prohibition

So you support the prohibition of alcohol as well?

What about firearms?

Your argument that the first amendment was "never intended" to apply to pornography sounds an awful lot like the argument that the second amendment was never intended to apply to automatic weapons.

 

[joko104]

I don’t think it’s funny at all that many souls are dead inside because of their addiction to pornography. I don’t think it’s funny that anyone anywhere is funneling dollars to child rape, sex assault, and humiliation of men and women

One curious factor might be a stunning statistic I saw. Less than 50% of older teenagers and young adults are in any kind of relationship. The Internet is replacing having a real relationship with a real human.

 

[OrphanSlug]

It is amazing how often "Conservatives" forget history... except every so often when it is convenient, and probably by hypocritical accident.

Ban alcohol... demand was still there, and as such jumpstarted the largest criminal enterprise in this nation at the time.
Ban abortions... demand was still there, went underground, caused a fiasco.
Ban drugs... demand was still there, and as such jumpstarted an international criminal enterprise and coordination unseen in all of human history.
Ban guns... oh wait, can't do that... my amendment rights so "from my cold dead hands."

And now... Ban Porn... as if that will all of a sudden work.

The most asinine, pie in the sky, and delusional OP I've seen in a long time, and that is saying something with some of the CT level nonsense floating around here these days.