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aquapub said:
Conservatives care about those things a great deal and can usually cite you any part from any of the founding documents, etc. We study history. But then again, conservatives have affection for their country, hence, they are reluctant to see it changed, whereas liberals (see little/nothing to preserve about this country-which is how they always get labelled, "unpatriotic") and many, many immigrants would have us change all sorts of things about it that make it America.

My stepdad is from Italy. My stepmom is from Tazmania. My great-grandparents are from England. My uncles and one grandfather are from Cuba. There are more, but I suspect you get the picture. I would be willing to bet I understand immigrants better than most people, and my experience teaches me that they are selective about what they want to keep in this country-and, because they aren't from here, a great deal of them would have us change things that mean nothing to them, but mean the world to America and middle America.

Wow, I didn't know conservatives had a monopoly on loving this country. Did you ever stop to think that maybe liberals support change because they think the country can get even better than it already is?
 

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aquapub said:
It is not this complicated. Jesus.
For some one white supremicist it's never that complicated because it's always the fault of the those whom are not white.

aquapub said:
People from here are more likely to cherish our own unique heritage and legacies than foreigners. Diversity isn't even in the ballpark of what I am talking about.
I see you've avoided answering the questions, so let me ask you againwhat is the heritage and legacies?

aquapub said:
You think the average Mexican could give a rat's a$$ about the 4th of July, George Washington, the Declaration of Independance, constitutionalism, separation of church and state, etc., etc.?
You think the average natively born american gives a rats ***? Just watch Jay walking. You're argument is baseless.
 

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aquapub said:
Conservatives care about those things a great deal and can usually cite you any part from any of the founding documents, etc. We study history. But then again, conservatives have affection for their country, hence, they are reluctant to see it changed, whereas liberals (see little/nothing to preserve about this country-which is how they always get labelled, "unpatriotic") and many, many immigrants would have us change all sorts of things about it that make it America.
I was waiting to see how soon you were going to start citing partisan politics about how cons are better then liberals or how liberals are unpatriotic. Again not a single shred of evidence provided with your argument, just more senesless discrimination and partisan rhetoric.

aquapub said:
My stepdad is from Italy. My stepmom is from Tazmania. My great-grandparents are from England. My uncles and one grandfather are from Cuba. There are more, but I suspect you get the picture. I would be willing to bet I understand immigrants better than most people, and my experience teaches me that they are selective about what they want to keep in this country-and, because they aren't from here, a great deal of them would have us change things that mean nothing to them, but mean the world to America and middle America.
From what you've posted thus far, it clearly shows you know absolutely nothing about immigrants. You're very much selective about what you think of immigrants and are completely blinded by partisan politics and your racist attitude towards ppl of a different skin color.
 

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aquapub said:
By the standards of normal, reasonable, mainstream Americans. You are a fringe fanatic.
By your standards everyone of a different skin color or different political ideology is a fanatic.

aquapub said:
There is nothing arrogant about wanting to preserve your country's tradition-the only people who would even make such a hysterical argument are fringe fanatics.
Ok, even though I've posted it already, what is American tradition. Can you give a straight answer for once?

aquapub said:
I have grown up as a minority nearly everywhere I have been.
Funny, I never noticed that whites were a minority in the US.

If you would quit operating on assumption, you might occasionally get something right.[/QUOTE]
 

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aquapub said:
Conservatives care about those things a great deal and can usually cite you any part from any of the founding documents, etc. We study history. But then again, conservatives have affection for their country, hence, they are reluctant to see it changed, whereas liberals (see little/nothing to preserve about this country-which is how they always get labelled, "unpatriotic") and many, many immigrants would have us change all sorts of things about it that make it America.

Please. Just once, could you not pull out your stereotypical partisan crap? My husband's a liberal, he's a HUGE history buff. So what does that do your your first couple of sentences there?

As afr0byte said, did you ever stop to think that maybe liberals embrace change because we realize that we have more potential than that? Without change, there'd still be slavery, women wouldn't be allowed to vote....hell, without change, we wouldn't even have half of the things we take for granted today, such as running water, electricity, and automobiles.

Your little unpatriotic jab? I served my country, as have many members of my family. It doesn't get any more patriotic than that. I've asked you before what you've done for this country, and you have yet to respond.

What is it that all of these immigrants want to change? If they didn't like this country, they wouldn't have freaking come here. About the only thing I can even imagine them wanting to change is the prejudice that people have against them. This country STARTED with a bunch of immigrants that realized they could make a better life for themselves and their families by changing the status quo.

My stepdad is from Italy. My stepmom is from Tazmania. My great-grandparents are from England. My uncles and one grandfather are from Cuba. There are more, but I suspect you get the picture. I would be willing to bet I understand immigrants better than most people, and my experience teaches me that they are selective about what they want to keep in this country-and, because they aren't from here, a great deal of them would have us change things that mean nothing to them, but mean the world to America and middle America.

Your experience, however, is not the end-all, be-all of what ALL immigrants want and think. Again, the only change I see them wanting is the chance to have a better life for themselves and their families - they've already facilitated that change by coming here to begin with.
 

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aquapub said:
By the standards of normal, reasonable, mainstream Americans. You are a fringe fanatic.

There is nothing arrogant about wanting to preserve your country's tradition-the only people who would even make such a hysterical argument are fringe fanatics.

I have grown up as a minority nearly everywhere I have been.

If you would quit operating on assumption, you might occasionally get something right.

From my prospective, you're a fringe fanatic. It's all a matter of perspective.
 

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aquapub said:
There is nothing arrogant about wanting to preserve your country's tradition-the only people who would even make such a hysterical argument are fringe fanatics.

jfuh said:
Ok, even though I've posted it already, what is American tradition. Can you give a straight answer for once?

American tradition is welcoming with open arms those who think this country is so great that they choose to emigrate here.
 

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Stace said:
Your little unpatriotic jab? I served my country, as have many members of my family. It doesn't get any more patriotic than that. I've asked you before what you've done for this country, and you have yet to respond.

Stace, she has the sacred task of sounding the alarm to those who think like her. The official wording of her warning is 'Whake hup hwite peepul!'
 

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tryreading said:
Stace, she has the sacred task of sounding the alarm to those who think like her. The official wording of her warning is 'Whake hup hwite peepul!'

Everyone, please stop calling aquapub a she!! Considering some of the very sexist remarks he's made (not to mention that lovely little blue male gender symbol), y'all should know better!! It's kind of insulting. :rofl
 

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Stace said:
Everyone, please stop calling aquapub a she!! Considering some of the very sexist remarks he's made (not to mention that lovely little blue male gender symbol), y'all should know better!! It's kind of insulting. :rofl

Indeed. Plus, it seems obvious that he's a he anyways.
 

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Stace said:
Everyone, please stop calling aquapub a she!! Considering some of the very sexist remarks he's made (not to mention that lovely little blue male gender symbol), y'all should know better!! It's kind of insulting. :rofl

Sorry, I confuse him with albqowl, who is female.

I can see why you feel insulted, but we don't want him to be of our gender either, Stace.
 

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tryreading said:
Sorry, I confuse him with albqowl, who is female.

I can see why you feel insulted, but we don't want him to be of our gender either, Stace.

Well, sorry, y'all are stuck with him, unless he got a sex change!!
 

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Korimyr the Rat said:
Remember, every economy-- whether capitalist or socialist-- requires having a growing market...
AndrewC said:
Try telling that to the Japanese. Just build robots. Everything will be fine.

There must still be a market for the products of robotic labor, and there must still be a market for the robots themselves.

The only way that we can effectively use robotic labor to offset population loss is if we abandon the modern concept of "the economy" entirely-- something that not even the Soviets aspired to.

If you want to see the problem with "just build robots", check out the Technocracy Inc. website. Robots are just an even-more effective version of various "labor-saving" devices, which make an economy based upon trading labor for goods unsustainable.
 

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Blind man said:
IMO the big problem with the population decline is it's in the wrong end of the gene/socio-economic pool. From what i've seen the more intelligent, successful, and higher educated are having less and less children; while the less intelligent, less succesaful and least educated are still breeding like crazy.

however it only takes a few to herd the many (sheep)
I am against, say, china's policy of poplution decline in general an in principle
however i am all for people on welfare not being allowed to breed if they are able bodied
provide for what they have when they need it
but if they irresponsibly have more kids, than they should have the choice of
being neutered or losing all benefits, for the good of the country
 

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DeeJayH said:
however it only takes a few to herd the many (sheep)
I am against, say, china's policy of poplution decline in general an in principle
however i am all for people on welfare not being allowed to breed if they are able bodied
provide for what they have when they need it
but if they irresponsibly have more kids, than they should have the choice of
being neutered or losing all benefits, for the good of the country
THere was a movement during the early part of the last century that is identical to what you are advocating here. It was called the Eugenics movement. Glad to see that you ascribe to that philosophy.:screwy
 
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jfuh said:
THere was a movement during the early part of the last century that is identical to what you are advocating here. It was called the Eugenics movement. Glad to see that you ascribe to that philosophy.:screwy

Hmm.
Do you know who Margaret Sanger is?
 

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jfuh said:
THere was a movement during the early part of the last century that is identical to what you are advocating here. It was called the Eugenics movement. Glad to see that you ascribe to that philosophy.:screwy

NOT EVEN CLOSE
sorry charlie, better luck next time
i offer the irresponsible idiots a choice
Eugenics is Forced, or cant you read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through social intervention. The goals have variously been to create healthier, more intelligent people, save society's resources, and lessen human suffering. Proposed means of achieving these goals most commonly include prenatal testing and screening, genetic counseling, birth control, selective breeding, In vitro fertilisation, and genetic engineering. Critics argue that eugenics is a pseudoscience. Historically, eugenics has been used as a justification for coercive state-sponsored discrimination, and severe human rights violations, such as forced sterilization and even genocide.
 

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Stupiderthanthou said:
Of course, those parents in power at present aren't all that concerned with the future, either. Just look at George Bush's plan for the environment.

What do I get by the time I'm old enough to use it? Very little, it seems. What do my kids get? I'd guess nothing. I wish people had a little more foresight.

I wish people would ditch partisan vandettas long enough to see that desperate times call for desperate measures.
 

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afr0byte said:
Wow, I didn't know conservatives had a monopoly on loving this country. Did you ever stop to think that maybe liberals support change because they think the country can get even better than it already is?


Radical, sweeping changes without hesitation are a product of someone who places no value on the country as it is. I consider what you are suggesting spin.
 

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jfuh said:
For some one white supremicist it's never that complicated because it's always the fault of the those whom are not white.

Or for anyone even vaguely familiar with the facts. :roll:

If you have to misrepresent me as badly as you keep doing to fit me into this hysterical, "racist" category you are so desperate to put me in, then you might want to reconsider the validity (or lack thereof) of your argument.
 

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jfuh said:
I see you've avoided answering the questions, so let me ask you againwhat is the heritage and legacies?


:rofl

Right after you postured with this post, you responded to the part where I answered your question. Do you ever review your comically irrational posts before you post them?
 

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jfuh said:
You think the average natively born american gives a rats ***?


Yes, the average American does, especially when someone threatens to take away parts of American heritage/tradition. Look at the polls they keep doing in California (yes, even in California) where they ask residents if they support removing all things Christmas from their schools. They always OVERWHELMINGLY reject the idea...because they DO give a rat's *** about these things. But the average American is mildly right of center, hence, they have a shred or two of affection for their country (i.e., patriotism).
 
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