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Poll: Republicans are moving even further to the right

Jerry said:
That would work if you could show that the GOP today is conservative.

But you can't, because the GOP is Liberal, so it doesn't.
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Yes, I forgot about the modern Republican Parties support of strong environmental protections, their high rating from the ACLU, their support of Same Sex Marriage, their absolute total opposition to the legislation of morality, their support of a constitutional separation of church and state, and so on.

You are absolutely delusional if you think that the GOP is liberal.


Yes, liberals are always wrong. Imagine an America without these horid programs (Republicans fought tooth and nail against each and everyone one of these programs). A similar list simply cannot be compiled of Republican Accomplishments. If you have ever drawn unemployment, you should thank a liberal. If you are a Medicare or Social Security Recipient, you should thank a liberal. If you believe child labor is immoral, you should thank a liberal. If you have ever gotten a Pell Grant, Student Loan, a state scholarship, or even a school lunch, you should thank a liberal. Basically, virtually everything we take for granted in our modern and just societies was fought for by liberals (and against by conservatives at the time):

Democratic Accomplishments: Rural America
* Farm Loan Bank Act (Woodrow Wilson)
* Federal Crop Loan Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Rural Electrification Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Farmer's Home Administration (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Soil Conservation Service (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Rural Telephone Act (Harry Truman)
* Agricultural Adjustment Administration (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Cooperative Extension Service (Woodrow Wilson)
* Farm Loan Housing Act (Harry Truman)

Democratic Accomplishments: Environmental Protection
* Clean Water Act (100th Congress, over President Reagan's Veto)
* Clean Air Act (John F. Kennedy)

Democratic Accomplishments: Foreign Affairs
* United Nations (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* League of Nations (Woodrow Wilson)
* Atlantic Charter (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Marshall Plan (Harry Truman)
* Monroe Doctrine (James Monroe)
* Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty (John F. Kennedy)
* NATO (Harry Truman)
* Truman Doctrine (Harry Truman)
* Peace Corps (John F. Kennedy)
* Louisiana Purchase (Thomas Jefferson)
* Camp David Accord (Jimmy Carter)

Democratic Accomplishments: Labor
* Creation of a Cabinet Level Labor Department (Woodrow Wilson)
* The 8 Hour Workday and Overtime (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* National Labor Relations Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Minimum Wage Law (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Unemployment Compensation Law (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Civilian Conservation Corp (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* The Full Employment Act for Labor (Harry Truman)
* Family and Medical Leave Act (Bill Clinton)
* Worker's Compensation (Woodrow Wilson)

Democratic Accomplishments: Civil and Political Rights
* Women's Suffrage Amendment (Woodrow Wilson)
* VISTA (John F. Kennedy)
* Voting Rights Act of 1965 (Lyndon Johnson)
* Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Lyndon Johnson)
* National Voter Registration Act (Bill Clinton)
* Americans with Disabilities Act (101st Congress)

Democratic Accomplishments: The Economy
* Largest Deficit Cutting Plan in History (Bill Clinton)
* Federal Reserve Bank Act (Woodrow Wilson)
* Clayton Anti-Trust Act (Woodrow Wilson)
* Securities & Exchange Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)

Democratic Accomplishments: Education
* Smith-Hughes Vocational Education Act (Woodrow Wilson)
* Fulbright-Hays Scholarship (Harry Truman)
* Creation of the Education Department (Jimmy Carter)
* National School Lunch Program (Harry Truman)
* Guaranteed Student Loan Program (Lyndon Johnson)
* Smart Start (Governor Jim Hunt)
* More at Four (Governor Mike Easley)
* Head Start (Lyndon Johnson)
* Ameri-Corp (Bill Clinton)
* GI Bill of Rights (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Student Loan Reform Act (Bill Clinton)
* School-to-Work Opportunities Act (Bill Clinton)

Democratic Accomplishments: Senior Citizens
* Social Security Administration (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
* Older Americans Act (Lyndon Johnson)
* Medicare (Lyndon Johnson)
* Medicaid (Lyndon Johnson)
* Consolidation of Older Americans Act (Jimmy Carter)
* Successful Defense of Social Security (Democratic Minority of the 109th Congress)

Timeline:

1919—Women’s Suffrage Ratified [Wilson]

1920—Annette Adams, First Woman Appointed To An Administration Position
[Wilson]

1933—Federal Deposit Insurance [FDR]

1935—W.P.A. [FDR-put people to work during the depression]

1935—Social Security Act [FDR]

1938—Fair Labor Standards Act [FDR]

1944—G.I. Bill Of Rights [FDR]

1947—Military Desegregated [Truman]

1947—Marshall Plan [Truman-Rebuilt Europe after WW II]

1961—Peace Corps [John F. Kennedy]

1964—Civil Rights Act [Johnson]

1964—Medicare And Medicaid [Johnson]

1964—Fed Dept Of Housing And Urban Development [Johnson]

1965—Head Start Created [Johnson]

1968—Occupation Safety Act [Johnson]

1987—Clean Water Act [Dem Congress override of Reagan veto]

1990—Americans With Disabilities Act [Democratic Congress]

1993—Family Leave Act [Clinton]

1993—AmeriCorps [Clinton]

1996-- Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill [Clinton]

1997-- Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the
largest surplus [Clinton]

1999-- Longest economic expansion in American history & Lowest
unemployment in 30 years [Clinton]

Take all that away and we are a third world nation, but liberals are aways wrong. Sometimes I find myself agreeing with conservatives and libertarians on some issues, then you blow it by talking crazy again.
 
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missypea said:
The social conservatives (what I call the neocons) are being reduced to a regional party.
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Social Conservatism is Conservatism, it is part of all Conservatism and as I said if anything the Neocons are less traditionalist than some brands of Conservatism. That is not to say that all the "moral majority" does is properly socially Conservative of course.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Prove the UN prevents world wars.
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It's about the only thing the U.N. does manage to do.


U.N. helps prevent world war, but not much else - UPI.com
 
Wessexman said:
That is not true in all circumstances. I know here one can look at the many wars going on under the UN's watch and prove it doesn't.
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That only is the case if someone said the U.N. stops ALL wars.

Noone here has said that as an absolute. However, anytime you have a forum where countries can meet and discuss, you can easily prevent or work ou tensions and/or misunderstandings that can result in a war.

Does it work all the time? Nope
 
I was more responding the idea that you could never show that UN didn't prevent wars(if it didn't.)

I think George Bernard Shaw said it best.

"The organisation of nations is the organisation of world war.If two men want to fight how do you prevent them: by keeping them apart, not by bringing them together. When the nations kept apart war was an occasional thing: now the league hangs over Europe like a perpetual war cloud."
 

So you believe isolationism to prevent wars? Sorry WWII proved that incorrect.

War came, so there goes that idea out the window.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you believe isolationism to prevent wars? Sorry WWII proved that incorrect.
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So you believe in strawmen to win arguments. Sorry you posts prove that wrong. :mrgreen:

War came, so there goes that idea out the window.
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Aside from the fact thatm that was under the league of nations watch I don't think it proves much. The UN is only slightly less ineffectual than the League and that comes at the cost of being more dominated by the Great powers.

War is a human constant, it will come. The problem today is that though it is less frequent, it is more devasting. The problem is the not the fairy tale of eliminating war but the realistic goal of containing it. And that will be far more difficult than the centralist Utopians with their reliance on the UN think. I mean we came close to Nuclear war several times during the cold war and it had little to do with the UN that it was prevented.
 
jallman said:
Proving the negative is a logical fallacy just like the slippery slope.
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Ah, but it's not a logical fallacy because one of the reasons for the UN is to prevent world wars. Has there been a world war since it's founding? NO. Therefore the logical conclusion is that it has prevented them. YOU FAIL AGAIN. :2wave:
 
Slippery Slope said:
Ah, but it's not a logical fallacy because one of the reasons for the UN is to prevent world wars. Has there been a world war since it's founding? NO. Therefore the logical conclusion is that it has prevented them. YOU FAIL AGAIN. :2wave:
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Proving a NEgative from the Dictionary of Logical Fallacies

**** you, **** your stupid ass attitude, and **** off dicksmack. If you weren't such a ****ing idiot someone would have ripped your head off by now. You should be happy that killing a retard is a hate crime because it's probably the only thing that has kept you safe thus far.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah, tell that to the poor sudanese, the poor somalians, the poor Kosovars who were made to be child prostitutes for the sick un jack boots...


Let them know how "they manage to do".....
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That's feigned indignation, you obviously don't care about the Iraqi population who have suffered worse under the US invasion and occupation.
 
Shaw was wrong, any diplomat will tell you that not addressing the problems only fuels the opposition.
 

Through the Bush administration's 8 years, the GOP assumed that the Dems were being too partisan and whiny. So now the GOP think they have the right to do the what they think is the same thing, at a time when the country needs non-partisan or even bipartisan action.

Folks like Jindal and such "hopefuls" make the face of the GOP even worse. People keep saying the GOP needs to reclaim its position, get a new face and start attacking their opponents even more. Maybe, but this is not the time.

But, DollyLlama, I agree with your statement that its been so long after the election and the GOP is still not "getting it."
 
Slippery Slope said:
Ah, but it's not a logical fallacy because one of the reasons for the UN is to prevent world wars. Has there been a world war since it's founding? NO. Therefore the logical conclusion is that it has prevented them. YOU FAIL AGAIN. :2wave:
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Actually, that doesn't prove anything. But loved your pathetic little "YOU FAIL AGAIN". Is grade school fun? Its been so long since I've been there.

Just because something purpose is to prevent something, and that something does not happen, does not mean its logical to think that X caused Y.

Lets take something simple; fat burning pills. They're marketed that they'll make you lose wait. I think one, Zantrex 3, has it on the bottle it'll make you burn 540% or so more fat than without it.

If one is to take this pill, whose purpose it says is to make you lose wait, and they lose wait does that PROVE logically that the Zantrex 3 caused the weight loss?

Absolutely not. It is actually ILLOGICAL and frankly ignorant to look at a situation that narrowly and make such a gigantic conclussion without taking into account outside factors. In the case of the weight loss, did you eat less? Eat better food? Eat at better times? Did you start taking any other pills at the same time? Change your sleeping habits? Change your work out habits? Change your life style in regards to the amount of seditary activity? Did you get a change of job or job type. And on and on.

Likewise, in regards to world war there's numerous issues. Does the growing gap in power level of military's have something to do with it. Does the fact that after the only 2 major ones happening in modern times occured relatively close together that people are more aware of history and the issues that can lead to such in teh future? Does the expansion of American influence to many areas of the world influence the issue? Does the prescense of Nuclear Weapons have an impact? Does the fact that the world is more balanced on international trade impact it? And on, and on, and on.

Sorry, no, he doesn't "Fail", and your statement that this is a logical conclussion is incorrect.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah, tell that to the poor sudanese, the poor somalians, the poor Kosovars who were made to be child prostitutes for the sick un jack boots...


Let them know how "they manage to do".....
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Tell that the 30,000,000 million children a year that are kept from starving to death due to the U.N. World Food Program.

I did not argue that the UN has been effective in preventing war. I simply pointed out that it has been effective in preventing another World War.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Tell that the 30,000,000 million children a year that are kept from starving to death due to the U.N. World Food Program.
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You can thank the US for that.


I did not argue that the UN has been effective in preventing war. I simply pointed out that it has been effective in preventing another World War.
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Prove this.
 
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