Being a constitutional buff as yourself, you realize that alot of those words are BASED on christian core values. If you deny that, you deny one of the main reasons our fathers came to our shores (other than for a profit).CSA_TX said:Not one to bring one's faith into a political debate. I have to wonder how one could say "Our christian way of life is becoming rotten to the core in front of our eyes" The first amendment to the constitution which is the supreme law of our nation says
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So by claiming that the United States is a christian nation is against the the constitution.
You are right, there is no separation of church and state.I am not saying there is a separation of church and state at all what I am saying is that for one to claim this country is a christian nation is the same as saying this country is a Jewish nation, etc...
You cannot give anyone morals. You cannot sell morals. You cannot pass a bucket with a bunch of moral slimey stuff in it. It doens't happen that way. You can however regulate it.Second point I would like to make is do you really want politians Like Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, etc.. to give you morals? I'm not a real fan of the morals they have personally.
Awesome, so you know about the part where is says to obey the law of the land as well.Instead I'll take the morals I got from the good book and my parents and go from there.
but then later you say...I believe in the constitution, but also believe that folks are not smart enough to regulate themselves when it comes to morality. Our christian way of life is becoming rotten to the core in front of our eyes.
Can you explain this? It sorta sounds like you want it both ways... for the government to force morality/religion on the masses, but only the one that you agree with.CONGRESS cannot tell you what religeon you must repect or what god you must bow down too. NOR can congress become a religion in and of itself. Your can say what you want. So can the press. You may peacfully assemble and petition the government.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear.Can you explain this? It sorta sounds like you want it both ways... for the government to force morality/religion on the masses, but only the one that you agree with.
I am sorry but the United States IS a Christian nation.CSA said:Again I repeat claiming that the United States is a christian nation is against the the constitution.
Is it FORCED? No, and should not be.Vauge said:I do not want the government to force religion on anyone.
I found this... thought you might be interested CSA.CSA_TX said:I still beleive that claiming the United States as a Christion nation is not right and goes against the principles and founding ideas of this nation.
Patrick Henry said:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
The "Ten Commandments" are in the Supreme Court? I did not know that. Where are they?vauge said:I am sorry but the United States IS a Christian nation.
"In God we trust" is on all our money.
The 10 commandments are in the supreme court.
A prayer is made before opening congress every day.
Adultery is against the law in your state? I didn't know that either. I know here in Oregon it's certainly not against any laws. In fact I was under the impression that the military and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) was one of the last places in United States that still had adultery on the books.vauge said:"Thou shall not steal" - I believe it's in the law somewhere.
"Thou shall not murder" - Yep thats there too.
"Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife" - Yep adultery is a law as well.
This list can get longer if you wish.
Here's a picture of them. They're a part of a larger relief that is a sort of pictoral summation of lawmakers throughout history*.Pacridge said:The "Ten Commandments" are in the Supreme Court? I did not know that. Where are they?
I didn't vote in the poll for the very reasons you're citing. I'm rather surprised one of the options wasn't "I want the Government to control nearly everything in my life and keep more of my earnings as taxes"anomaly said:I'd have to say that this poll is pretty unfair. Most of you noble cons out there would say that 'if one is liberal, one wants more gov't in their lives' and vis-versa for conservatives. Of course the goal of this poll was to show that 'more people are conservative in thinking', and I'm sure the author believes himself successful. But is less gov't in ones life always conservative? Hardly. The definition of conservative in American politics is 'economic freedom, social 'order''. What do conservatives want, after all? A ban on abortion, a ban on gay marriage, things like that. So, socially, conservatives want less freedom, not more, and want more gov't to restrict us in our everyday life (or as they say, gov't doing what is 'morally right'). A liberal is the one who wants less gov't in their life socially, which is why I picked that category. A liberal, contrary to some conservative dogma, is not in love with gov't, we want gov't there to attempt to attain greater economic equality. Conservatives support economic freedom, which inevitably leads to greater inequality (anyone who has read my 'New Economy' thread in economics knows what I'm talking about). We support Keynesian economics, saying that the gov't has a responsibility to smoothe the bumps in the business cycle, in order to help the working man (some, like me, support the nationalisation of the economic, but thats why you'd call me socialist, modern liberals stay warily away from nationalisation). So, taking these facts, one can easily see that this poll shows nothing about whether one is conservative or liberal, as both a conservative and liberal want gov't, but in different places. Libertarian is the one who says gov't has no place in modern life anywhere, and an authoritarian says that gov't should be very involved in our life, economically and socially. CSA, if you are gleeful about your poll results, hold back that glee a bit, because this poll tells us nothing.
Welcome to Debate Politics!connie2005 said:I do believe that which should this country, should following our founding fathers, and keep religion separate from state. Will leave in a diverse country, in which one day I hope will be our strong point. And, we can no longer push Christian values, over all others religions, that is practice in this country. I respect all others religions and beliefs, each should practice their own religion, on their own time and dollar.
I am curious as to who is the 'true conservative'. I, too, want the federal gov't to have a lesser role in my everyday life, that is, less role socially. Economically, gov't should pursue policy that narrows the ever widening gap between rich and poor. That's why I'd be considered to the left. I wonder, are you, CSA, a libertarian? It should be clear to you from my last post that conservatives, too, want some gov't involvement, but socially rather than economically. Are you saying that you oppose bans on abortion and gay marriage? If you do, I'd hardly consider you conservative in thinking. And what kind of gov't 'infringement' your friend supports. Is it economic policy, or social policy, because that will determine if your friend truly leans left or not.CSA_TX said:anomaly in response to this poll I would have to say yes I am very gleeful. There is someone on this board I will not mention any names that continues to claim he is the true conservative. However he keeps supporting more and more government infringment into my daily life. I was using this poll to try and prove that he beleives in more of a left leaning stance than he relizes.
I think the government should be less involved in my life and to follow the guidelines set forth in the constitution. That is the federal governments only right, to follow the constitution. I don't think they have the right to censor what I see on TV or hear on the radio and I don't beleive they should be pushing a Christian nation or any other religous agenda.
So anomaly you were wrong in why I chose to post this poll but I am gleeful in that a lot of people seemed to have the same ideas as I do when it comes to the federal governments roll in my life.