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Poll: 70 percent say US headed in wrong direction, highest since September 2017

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/427451-poll-70-percent-say-us-headed-in-wrong-direction

Seventy percent of respondents to a poll released Tuesday say the country is moving in the "wrong direction," the highest level since September 2017.

The AP-NORC survey, conducted during the record-long 35-day partial government shutdown, found that only 28 percent of respondents said the United States is on the right course.
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Let's just hope this trend continues as The Donald does his best to subvert the country at Putin's direction.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/427451-poll-70-percent-say-us-headed-in-wrong-direction

Seventy percent of respondents to a poll released Tuesday say the country is moving in the "wrong direction," the highest level since September 2017.

The AP-NORC survey, conducted during the record-long 35-day partial government shutdown, found that only 28 percent of respondents said the United States is on the right course.
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Let's just hope this trend continues as The Donald does his best to subvert the country at Putin's direction.
LOL, you do realize this decline closes follows the Dems taking control of the House, right? The public realized the economic strides we've made and the surging job market are in grave danger from the uber-left cackling of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, and AOC, among others. Likely much of the same reasoning went into the decline of the stock markets that begun shortly after the elections.
 

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LOL, you do realize this decline closes follows the Dems taking control of the House, right? The public realized the economic strides we've made and the surging job market are in grave danger from the uber-left cackling of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, and AOC, among others. Likely much of the same reasoning went into the decline of the stock markets that begun shortly after the elections.

The strides were a high from the tax cut and now that the buzz is over we're in more trouble.

These factors may hurt, but inevitably the downer was coming.

We'd better just take away Congresses' needle and rubber hose by electing Democrat.
 

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The strides were a high from the tax cut and now that the buzz is over we're in more trouble.
Businesses don't boost hiring and capital investment because of "sugar highs".

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These factors may hurt, but inevitably the downer was coming.
Thing is the "downer" still has millions more employed, millions more looking for work, strong wage gains and strong gains in the stock market.
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We'd better just take away Congresses' needle and rubber hose by electing Democrat.
LOL, yeah, because they're so fiscally responsible and tight fisted spenders,
:roll:
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/427451-poll-70-percent-say-us-headed-in-wrong-direction

Seventy percent of respondents to a poll released Tuesday say the country is moving in the "wrong direction," the highest level since September 2017.

The AP-NORC survey, conducted during the record-long 35-day partial government shutdown, found that only 28 percent of respondents said the United States is on the right course.
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Let's just hope this trend continues as The Donald does his best to subvert the country at Putin's direction.

Yeah...we see that we ****ed up bigtime, not preventing the Dem House takeover....
 

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LOL, you do realize this decline closes follows the Dems taking control of the House, right? The public realized the economic strides we've made and the surging job market are in grave danger from the uber-left cackling of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, and AOC, among others. Likely much of the same reasoning went into the decline of the stock markets that begun shortly after the elections.

In your dreams. This poll is a direct result of the past 2 years of Trumpism.
 

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LOL, you do realize this decline closes follows the Dems taking control of the House, right? The public realized the economic strides we've made and the surging job market are in grave danger from the uber-left cackling of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, and AOC, among others. Likely much of the same reasoning went into the decline of the stock markets that begun shortly after the elections.

The Left never MAKES THE CONNECTION.....
 

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Businesses don't boost hiring and capital investment because of "sugar highs".

Any business that boosts hiring and capital investment based solely on deregulation and lower taxes is making a poor business decision. The time to boost hiring and capital investment is when people actually have the money and the desire to purchase your product or service. The best way to get people to purchase your product or service is to make sure THEY have plenty of spending money. At that point, invest in marketing and you have a healthy business. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. Subsidizing your profits with the tax dollars of your customers and then claiming you need that money to hire more people is doing things backwards.
 

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LOL, yeah, because they're so fiscally responsible and tight fisted spenders,
:roll:

Spending tax money on social programs like affordable healthcare can free up spending money in the market. Consumers who don't have to pay $500 every time they see a doctor are going to spend that money elsewhere, not to mention live longer.
 

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Spending tax money on social programs like affordable healthcare can free up spending money in the market. Consumers who don't have to pay $500 every time they see a doctor are going to spend that money elsewhere, not to mention live longer.
But the people who had to send that $500 in as taxes WON'T be able to spend it in the market. It's been known for a long time that the government can't tax us into prosperity.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/427451-poll-70-percent-say-us-headed-in-wrong-direction

Seventy percent of respondents to a poll released Tuesday say the country is moving in the "wrong direction," the highest level since September 2017.

The AP-NORC survey, conducted during the record-long 35-day partial government shutdown, found that only 28 percent of respondents said the United States is on the right course.
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Let's just hope this trend continues as The Donald does his best to subvert the country at Putin's direction.

If you look below the first set of polls, you can see a graph from 2010 to the present.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

From August 2011 thru December 2011 over 70% of Americans thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. Then it dropped to 53% in December of 2012 on to climb above 70% again in October of 2013. Fell to 58% in January 2015 only to climb to 70% July of 2016. Then took a dive to 52 March of 2017 to rise again 61% September of 2017 and then drop again to 51% August of 2018. Today, according to RCP 58.3% believe this country is headed in the wrong direction.
 

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Any business that boosts hiring and capital investment based solely on deregulation and lower taxes is making a poor business decision. The time to boost hiring and capital investment is when people actually have the money and the desire to purchase your product or service. The best way to get people to purchase your product or service is to make sure THEY have plenty of spending money. At that point, invest in marketing and you have a healthy business. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. Subsidizing your profits with the tax dollars of your customers and then claiming you need that money to hire more people is doing things backwards.
And which companies do you serve as CEO or on the Board of Directors? Seriously, deregulation and a friendly tax policy are big considerations in business expansion plans. A favorable business environment favors more risk taking than one that is hostile to "millionaires and billionaires", and promises that energy prices will "necessarily skyrocket" under it. For the eight years of Obama's reign we consistently heard complaints of businesses sitting on huge piles of cash. With Trump the opposite proved true, as soon as the election was decided the more aggressive companies charged off, and as time progressed and Trump tax plan came about even the most conservative of businesses got on the bandwagon.


Then the Dems took the House and :hitsfan:
 

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But the people who had to send that $500 in as taxes WON'T be able to spend it in the market. It's been known for a long time that the government can't tax us into prosperity.

All the more reason to collect the bulk of whatever taxes are necessary from the wealthiest members of society and lower the taxes on the poorest members.
 

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And which companies do you serve as CEO or on the Board of Directors? Seriously, deregulation and a friendly tax policy are big considerations in business expansion plans. A favorable business environment favors more risk taking than one that is hostile to "millionaires and billionaires", and promises that energy prices will "necessarily skyrocket" under it. For the eight years of Obama's reign we consistently heard complaints of businesses sitting on huge piles of cash. With Trump the opposite proved true, as soon as the election was decided the more aggressive companies charged off, and as time progressed and Trump tax plan came about even the most conservative of businesses got on the bandwagon.

Federal investment in business through tax relief and deregulation is useful for 2 things: Attracting foreign businesses to invest in the US, (a good thing) and providing a brief economic surge as those businesses then spend that money in the market. That second one is a great tool for republicans to give a shot of adrenaline to the economy while they are in power to make it appear that things are on the upswing. However, if the market is not already healthy that surge is temporary and we end up back where we started (if we're lucky) and the government ends up with less money to invest.

Expecting tax breaks and deregulation to improve the economy without addressing consumer income and cost of living is like giving a starving man a shot of adrenaline. Yes, he's going to be unusually active for a while, but the problem is only going to get worse. Lowering taxes and deregulation have their uses in a booming economy. They are not the tools to repair a broken economy.
 

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All the more reason to collect the bulk of whatever taxes are necessary from the wealthiest members of society and lower the taxes on the poorest members.
Sorry, no. Our federal income tax system already does that as well as could be asked for; somewhere around 45-50% of workers pay no federal income tax, and some even get money back they never paid in because Earned Income Tax Credit. Also I don't know about you but I've never got a job from a company backed by minimum wage workers, but I've got several backed and run by the wealthiest members of our society. Better we work on helping lower wage people increase their value to employers than steal from one American to get to another.
 

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Sorry, no. Our federal income tax system already does that as well as could be asked for; somewhere around 45-50% of workers pay no federal income tax, and some even get money back they never paid in because Earned Income Tax Credit. Also I don't know about you but I've never got a job from a company backed by minimum wage workers, but I've got several backed and run by the wealthiest members of our society. Better we work on helping lower wage people increase their value to employers than steal from one American to get to another.

I'm all for helping lower wage people increase their value to employers. Of course, that's going to take money. Who should be the one to invest in that? People who already don't have enough money to live off of their own wage? How does that work? How will that improve the economy?
 

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LOL, you do realize this decline closes follows the Dems taking control of the House, right? The public realized the economic strides we've made and the surging job market are in grave danger from the uber-left cackling of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, and AOC, among others. Likely much of the same reasoning went into the decline of the stock markets that begun shortly after the elections.

Of course every bad thing is the dems fault but thanks for reminding everyone. I presume it will also be the dems fault when the right loses the white house next election and maybe, possibly the senate too. Those daggone libs.
 

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Federal investment in business through tax relief and deregulation is useful for 2 things: Attracting foreign businesses to invest in the US, (a good thing) and providing a brief economic surge as those businesses then spend that money in the market. That second one is a great tool for republicans to give a shot of adrenaline to the economy while they are in power to make it appear that things are on the upswing. However, if the market is not already healthy that surge is temporary and we end up back where we started (if we're lucky) and the government ends up with less money to invest.
All that can easily be accomplished by not taking the money in the first place.
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Expecting tax breaks and deregulation to improve the economy without addressing consumer income and cost of living is like giving a starving man a shot of adrenaline. Yes, he's going to be unusually active for a while, but the problem is only going to get worse. Lowering taxes and deregulation have their uses in a booming economy. They are not the tools to repair a broken economy.
And that's what he did, through economic mechanics rather than government fiat. Many companies gave employees bonuses, raise and upgraded benefits. Depending on which study you believe between 80-90% of all tax payers got a cut in taxes and some of those that didn't were high income earners in blue states that had super-favorable tax breaks for state and local taxes. Another benefit is that private companies make decisions based on economic and market logic, not political dogma or to buy votes from the folks back home.

Tax breaks and deregulation are not silver bullets, but they help foster enthusiasm and risk taking in the business community while providing addition funds for growth and expanding employee benefits.
 

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Of course every bad thing is the dems fault but thanks for reminding everyone. I presume it will also be the dems fault when the right loses the white house next election and maybe, possibly the senate too. Those daggone libs.
No, if the GOP loses that Senate and/or the White House it will be the GOP's fault just as it has been the Dems fault they lost the House, Senate and White House over the last ten years.
 

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All that can easily be accomplished by not taking the money in the first place.

In an already healthy economy, I agree. However, going hands off when the economy is unhealthy invites disaster.


And that's what he did, through economic mechanics rather than government fiat. Many companies gave employees bonuses, raise and upgraded benefits. Depending on which study you believe between 80-90% of all tax payers got a cut in taxes and some of those that didn't were high income earners in blue states that had super-favorable tax breaks for state and local taxes. Another benefit is that private companies make decisions based on economic and market logic, not political dogma or to buy votes from the folks back home.

Tax breaks and deregulation are not silver bullets, but they help foster enthusiasm and risk taking in the business community while providing addition funds for growth and expanding employee benefits.

I suppose the question is: was the economy healthy enough when Trump took office to make that tactic work? I guess we'll see in a few years. As for any employment and economic increases in the meantime, though definitely a good thing, we can't rule out the "adrenaline" effect. If this trend continues over the next four to five years, (and unlike the op, I truly hope that it does,) I will gladly admit I was wrong about Trump's tactics. (Even if a democrat is in the oval office by then, I'll give credit for that to Trump.) However, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was too early in the economic recovery process to try this. I think that we will crash again right as the democrats take over Congress and the presidency, and Trump (and republicans in general) will conveniently and dishonestly blame them rather than his own actions while in office.
 

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Which totally explains the SUDDEN DROP. :roll:

No, I think it's been like a bad reaction to something really nasty, like a snake bight.

BTW, how many of those 800K who were furloughed do you think are going to vote for Trump, their greedy, vain, thoughtless tormentor? In a close election like the last one, 800K can tip the balance.
 

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No, if the GOP loses that Senate and/or the White House it will be the GOP's fault just as it has been the Dems fault they lost the House, Senate and White House over the last ten years.

We can only hope. Maybe go to church & light a candle just in case.
 

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We can only hope. Maybe go to church & light a candle just in case.
Yeah, let's go back to the creaking economy of the Obama years. Be interesting to see what a Dem can do when he doesn't have a tidal wave of recovery pushing him along.
 
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