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[W:583] Political Compass Thread

P 147 "that little car of his [Henry Ford's] had done more than anything else to destroy class differences." - Adolph Hitler



Mussolini and Hitler also felt that they were doing things along similar lines to FDR. Indeed, they celebrated the New Deal as a kindred effort. The German press was particularly lavish in its praise for FDR. [FDR adopted "Nationalist Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies."



"The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual." [The German state philosophy under Adolph Hitler, who congratulated FDR for being in accord with himself.]



P 158 Indeed, it seems impossible to deny that the New Deal was objectively fascistic. Under the New Deal, governmental goons smashed down doors to impose domestic policies. G-Men were treated like demigods, even as they spied on dissidents.




FDR secretly taped his conversations, used the postal service to punish his enemies, lied repeatedly to maneuver the United States into war, and undermined Congress's war-making powers at several turns.




In 1942 he flatly told congress that if it didn't do what he wanted, he'd do it anyway.

In 1936 Roosevelt told Congress, "We have built up new instruments of public power. In the hands of a people's government this power is wholesome and proper. But in the hands of political puppets of an economic autocracy such power would provide shackles for the liberties of the people. " As Al Smith noted, the upshot of this statement is that Roosevelt didn't mind an authoritarian government, so long as representatives of "the people" - that is, liberals - ran the government. But if anybody "we" dislike gets control of the government, it would constitute tyranny.

[Pretty much sums up liberalism today.]
 
Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg



P 21 The introduction of a novel term like "liberal fascism" obviously requires an explanation. Many critics will undoubtedly regard it as a crass oxymoron. Actually, however, I am not the first to use the term. that honor falls to H.G. Wells, one of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and it turns out the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World).

Nor did Wells coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis" he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.



Wells, simply put, was enthralled by the totalitarian temptation. "I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic," he declared.


Fascism, like Progressivism and communism, is expansionist because it sees no natural boundary to its ambitions. Progressivism envisions a New World Order.


P 23 Finally, since we must have a working definition of fascism, here is mine: Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good.

P 27 the Italian Fascist movement (was founded) in 1919...

When Mussolini invaded Ethiopia, Americans finally started to turn on him.



More than a few prominent Americans continued to support him [Mussolini], although quietly. The poet Wallace Stevens, for example, stayed pro-Fascist. "I am pro-Mussolini, personally," he wrote to a friend. "The Italians have as much right to take Ethiopia from the coons as the coons had to take it from the boa-constrictors."



In 1927, the Literary Digest conducted an editorial survey asking the question: Is there a dearth of great men?" the person named most often to refute the charge was Benito Mussolini - followed by Lenin, Edison, Marconi, and Orville Wright, with Henry Ford and George Bernard Shaw tying for sixth place.



P 28 .. famed reporter Ida Tarbell... praised Mussolini's progressive attitude toward labor.... Similarly smitten was Lincoln Steffens...




As we'll see, Steffens saw no contradiction between his fondness for Fascism and his admiration of the Soviet Union.



P 29 America's education establishment was keenly interested in Italy's "breakthroughs" under the famed "schoolmaster" Benito Mussolini, who, after all, had once been a teacher.



Columbia University was Fascism's "veritable home in America" and a "schoolhouse for budding Fascist ideologues," according to John Patrick Duggins.


P 31 Mussolini, a lifelong socialist intellectual...

Mussolini declared often that the twentieth century would be the "century of Fascism".

Mussolini's father, Allesandro, was a blacksmith and ardent socialist with an anarchist bent who was a member of the First International along with Marx and Engels and served on the local socialist council. ... Mussolini's father read him passages from Das Capital.
Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology and only extreme right wingers pretend it is left wing
Your failed attempts to portray it as left wing basically using the standard extreme right wing claims that have all been shown to be false just shows that you fall into the extreme right wing of the political spectrum
 
I see someone is doubling down on their claims and doing nothing but proving they are what they rail against.
 
This is an absurd graph. Our Founding Fathers were libertarians NOT authoritarian.
They were what insane Democrats today call "right wing religious extremists."
The Left is fascist. Take Obama please. Democrats LOVED Hitler and his power and control. They wanted to emulate him.
I don't think they were either libertarians or authoritarians. Well, I should say that they had some of each., in a mixture, and no pure form of either.
They also had an entirely different frame of reference and perspective, which in part shaped the foundation upon which we built our own frame of reference and perspective.
Things they considered reasonable we now consider crazy, and things we consider reasonable they hadn't even conceived of.

I have no idea where you get this idea that "the left" is fascist, let alone wanting to emulate Hitler.
Granted, you'll always find a few people who don't think through the problem, and want to ban this or restrict that, just because they dislike it or think it's wrong. You get that on both the left AND the right, however. And those people are wrong, because everything is gray area.
 
I don't think they were either libertarians or authoritarians. Well, I should say that they had some of each., in a mixture, and no pure form of either.
They also had an entirely different frame of reference and perspective, which in part shaped the foundation upon which we built our own frame of reference and perspective.
Things they considered reasonable we now consider crazy, and things we consider reasonable they hadn't even conceived of.

I have no idea where you get this idea that "the left" is fascist, let alone wanting to emulate Hitler.
Granted, you'll always find a few people who don't think through the problem, and want to ban this or restrict that, just because they dislike it or think it's wrong. You get that on both the left AND the right, however. And those people are wrong, because everything is gray area.
YOU get the outrageous fantasy that conservatives are the "f" word because it has been drummed into your head for decades, even as the Nazis drummed into the heads of their children lie after lie after lie and they all ate it up.
Read Liberal Fascism and learn. I've cited enough of its paragraphs to convince any thinking person already.
 
YOU get the outrageous fantasy that conservatives are the "f" word because it has been drummed into your head for decades, even as the Nazis drummed into the heads of their children lie after lie after lie and they all ate it up.
Read Liberal Fascism and learn. I've cited enough of its paragraphs to convince any thinking person already.
You're attacking something that doesn't exist.
 
YOU get the outrageous fantasy that conservatives are the "f" word because it has been drummed into your head for decades, even as the Nazis drummed into the heads of their children lie after lie after lie and they all ate it up.
Read Liberal Fascism and learn. I've cited enough of its paragraphs to convince any thinking person already.
Conservatives are not fascists. The world is not binary it is as the Mark said shades of grey.
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Times when the other quadrants matched the stereotype of another

Authoritarian Left

AR: Holodomor

LL: Soviet Russia used to be pretty chill with homosexuality

LR: Stalin had a thing for teenage girls

Authoritarian Right

AL: 19th century Ireland

LL: Hitler did drugs

LR: Nathan Larson


Libertarian Left

AL: our commune ran out of food

AR: any white supremacists who decided to for ma commune

LR: Michael Foucalt


Libertarian Right

AL: People on the streets following the Texas blackouts

AR: libertarian to alt right pipeline

LL: legalizing weed
 
Socialism is the political application of materialism. First people become materialists, and then these materialists go do politics, then they conjured up socialism. Then you have left wing socialism, called communism, and right wing socialism, called nazism and fascism.

Communists always think the other guys are nazi's and fascists, because that is the only other option in their own mind.

In reality communists can easily become nazi's. Over the past decades China has shifted from left wing socialism, to right wing socialism. So now China has farreaching eugenics laws, and a eugenic culture, and genocidal oppresion of Uygur and Tibetans, and Han racism. It is defacto, a nazi regime, eventhough they call themselves communists.
 
It's been awhile. Still fairly accurate. Some of the questions have changed naturally.

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It looks like I am center left, which is what I have always thought I was. Most of my left leanings are on cultural issues. On foreign policy, it looks like I am slightly neoconservative.

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Post your test results here.

Anyway, here are mine:

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.28

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My results a few months ago were around {-4,-4}, so you could say that my views have shifted significantly.

Moderator's Warning:
Stickied this, and note the second quiz mentioned here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...olitical-compass-thread-6.html#post1060382148

Quiz mentioned by link above can be found here: http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

Thank you mpg for the second quiz
Even with the new test, I am still about the same as where my last one was.

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New test didn't really move me much. Their description of how you should answer the questions at the beginning is better though.
 
You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 5.47, Libertarian: 2.35

I think it kinds of depends on how I feel that day

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You are a center-right social libertarian.
Right: 2.84, Libertarian: 4.38

Not sure I totally agree.(with my own answers?)
 
You are a center-right social libertarian.
Right: 2.84, Libertarian: 4.38

Not sure I totally agree.(with my own answers?)
What do you consider yourself as?
 
I haven't moved much

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62​


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I haven't moved much

Economic Left/Right: 1.88​

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62​


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I feel like that test is pretty poor. Have you tried this one?
 
As to question 5

Some people should not be allowed to reproduce.

That's a tough one. Sure there are a LOT of people that shouldn't be allowed. There's a HUGE amount of people with a LOT reasons why some shouldn't. But when you throw the word "allowed" into it, that means someone else will decide. Who's going to be the decider? Some fat trans-weirdo dude who is so fat, he's actually got big man-boobs and will try to nurse the baby (knowing it won't work). Some extreme leftist dummy, who thinks some welfare queen, who's already got 5 kids, no job and living in the projects should be able to?
Some hard righty who thinks ONLY the upper middle class should? Some racist who don't think the other race should?

Lot's of reasons why some shouldn't reproduce. But I doubt the ones who would make that decision would do it right.
 
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