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Plenty of Patriotism/Nationalism to be had, just not for the US.

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.
 

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Some reading material to go along with it:


MOSCOW, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Russian troops have destroyed a concrete dam built in Ukraine's Kherson Region in 2014 to cut off water to Crimea, the RIA news agency quoted the governor of Russian-annexed Crimea Sergei Aksyonov as saying on Saturday.

Ukraine cut off the fresh water supply to Crimea by damming a canal that had supplied 85% of the peninsula's needs before Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014.

The Soviet-era canal was built to channel water from the River Dnieper to arid areas of Ukraine's Kherson region and Crimea.


The killing of a schoolboy and an 18-year-old during shelling in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on Wednesday highlights a larger pattern of indiscriminate attacks which could amount to war crimes, Amnesty International said today.

“Both Ukrainian government and separatist forces must immediately stop carrying out indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war,” said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia director of Amnesty International.

“These continuing civilian deaths – a predictable result of such attacks – are inexcusable and those responsible on both sides must be held accountable.”

During a research mission in late September and early October, Amnesty International documented more than 20 recent civilian deaths due to shelling and rocket fire in the eastern Ukrainian towns of Donetsk, Avdiivka, and Debaltseve. Most of the deaths, which took place in residential neighbourhoods, appeared to be the result of indiscriminate attacks, with the attacking forces using weapons that could not be targeted with sufficient accuracy to distinguish between civilian and military objects.



"I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew."

Dmitry – which he said is not his real name – is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion, a volunteer grouping that has been doing much of the frontline fighting in Ukraine's war with pro-Russia separatists. The Azov, one of many volunteer brigades to fight alongside the Ukrainian army in the east of the country, has developed a reputation for fearlessness in battle.


But there is an increasing worry that while the Azov and other volunteer battalions might be Ukraine's most potent and reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists, they also pose the most serious threat to the Ukrainian government, and perhaps even the state, when the conflict in the east is over. The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.
 

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"Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country?"

Speaking just for myself. I still love this country but after having to go through the horror and election of a deranged narcissist, I have to admit that my proudness has faltered some.
 

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"Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country?"

Speaking just for myself. I still love this country but after having to go through the horror and election of a deranged narcissist, I have to admit that my proudness has faltered some.
But let's be all patriotic for Ukraine, who is objectively worse in about every way than the U.S.?
 

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Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

You're comparing undocumented immigration and Russia waging war on Ukraine?
 

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You're comparing undocumented immigration and Russia waging war on Ukraine?
I'm comparing the apparent lack of concern about our own border security vs another country's. Not a a difficult concept and it's nice to see that's the best rebuttal you could come up with. Pathetic.
 

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I'm comparing the apparent lack of concern about our own border security vs another country's. Not a a difficult concept and it's nice to see that's the best rebuttal you could come up with. Pathetic.
This is a great topic that will not garner much meaningful responses from the lefties.
 

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And it’s OK for other countries to use slave labor for manufacturing of our goods. And it’s also OK for them to be nationalist while drilling for fossil fuels….. again over there. Not here.

We have a racist POTUS

Stupid
 

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I'm comparing the apparent lack of concern about our own border security vs another country's. Not a a difficult concept and it's nice to see that's the best rebuttal you could come up with. Pathetic.

All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US legally. And that's the only valid analogy for what Russian troops are doing now.

Pathetic!
 

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.
Flying the american flag makes one a patriot? Boo hoo, the libs won't listen to me.
 

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.
The size of this straw man is too big even for the Burning Man festival.
 

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.
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All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US legally. And that's the only valid analogy for what Russian troops are doing now.

Pathetic!
Ah...so the only time border security is relevant to you is if it results in 9/11 or an invasion? That's a pretty ****ing dumb comment.
 

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I accept that you do not have an valid comment on why ya'll have a hard on for Ukraine but don't give to shits about your own country that's objectively better in every way.
 

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Flying the american flag makes one a patriot? Boo hoo, the libs won't listen to me.
Nope...that wasn't the point. The point was, and I'll make it simple for you, is that those who can't muster up the motivation to fly an American flag, or even have some kind of animosity towards it, are flying the Ukrainian flag or colors, who are worse in every way that ya'll bitch about the US being bad over.

You get it now or are you still going to miss the point?
 

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I accept that you do not have an valid comment on why ya'll have a hard on for Ukraine but don't give to shits about your own country that's objectively better in every way.
That is a valid comment. I've seen piles of shit before. The OP is big heaping help of it.

The OP doesn't get to define patriotism by using their own views of what it should look like.
 

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Ahh the jingoists are mad again waaaah
 

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.

Lots of falsehoods.
 

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Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Do you have any outrage and angst over Putin’s invasion?
 

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Nope...that wasn't the point. The point was, and I'll make it simple for you, is that those who can't muster up the motivation to fly an American flag, or even have some kind of animosity towards it, are flying the Ukrainian flag or colors, who are worse in every way that ya'll bitch about the US being bad over.

You get it now or are you still going to miss the point?
Yes, I get it now. As a right-winger, you get to define patriotism the way that you want and accuse others of not being patriotic if they don’t agree with that specific definition. Is not wearing a mask “patriotic”? Is not getting vaccinated “patriotic”? Is disrupting school board meetings with hatred and vitriol “patriotic”? Is running around with an AR-15 slung across the shoulder “patriotic”? Is driving semis to DC while there is a great need to move goods “patriotic”? Is spending more time criticizing the President than Putin “patriotic”? Perhaps you need to define it better by giving us some examples.
 

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That is a valid comment. I've seen piles of shit before. The OP is big heaping help of it.

The OP doesn't get to define patriotism by using their own views of what it should look like.
Sorry, no...you have nothing. Go wallow in your failure.
 

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Seeing quite the interesting trend during this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. There are very many liberals on the left that could not be bothered fly the Stars and Stripes, with even some amount of animosity towards it flying the Ukrainian flag in their profiles or the colors of the flag. Those that not only couldn't care less about the integrity of our borders, and even are outraged against attempts to secure it, are crying the loudest of the violations of Ukrainian borders.

Lots of outrage and angst over the violation of Ukraine's sovereignty but they do not care for our own. They act like Ukraine is some kind of liberal ally of ours, when they have literal Nazi brigades fighting for them. They have separated families from each other (we were told this is bad) by not allowing males to leave the country. A country that had built a dam to cut off a fresh water to Crimea, a human rights violation. A country that had used indiscriminate long range attacks that are considered war crimes.

Somehow there are so many on the left appearing to be the most patriotic and nationalist Ukrainians there could be, they just aren't Ukrainian. Russia's aggression is terrible and should be condemned, but it's not like there are clear good actors here, not even a little. What the hell has gotten into the left? Why can't they generate anything close to these feelings towards our own country? A country that has more equality, egalitarianism, and liberty than nearly any country to have ever existed? No...all they do is preach hate towards the US, and love towards Ukraine, even though they aren't actually ideological friends at all. Not even a little.

The conversation should start here.

 
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