Please explain to me why Trump is horrible....

[Airyaman]

A smaller task, though perhaps harder, would be to list the reasons Trump is not horrible.

1) He's a con man. Has been almost all of his adult life.
2) He lies as much as most people breathe. He lies so much it's hard to tell when he's actually telling the truth.
3) He never accepts he has done anything wrong.
4) He blames everyone except himself for **** that goes wrong under his watch.
5) He attacks our institutions with reckless abandon, not because hey need attacking, but to protect himself.
6) He is incapable of empathy.
7) He is a massive hypocrite. Example: golf. Said Obama did too much golfing, said he'd never do it. His golfing has cost us $80M (last figure I saw)
8) He's as dumb as a box of rocks and has the attention span of a gnat, so he can't really learn new things.
9) He's a divider who claims to be a uniter, but most people see through it.
10) He is such a simpleton relationship wise that he only views people in two ways: 1) if you're nice to him, he's nice to you 2) if you ever say anything negative towards him, he now dislikes you. Foreign leaders have already figured this out and use flattery to get what they want from him (see Abe at G20 for recent example)
11) He never laughs. There is definitely something broken in him that he can't see humor in life.

There's more, but I think you might get the drift.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It's very hard to take anyone with an avatar or signature like yours seriously.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[DDD]

That will never happen.

I need some sort of an idea, to understand and maybe changing my mind.

At which part of the world, or in what age, would that be a sentence?

 

[Airyaman]

A smaller task, though perhaps harder, would be to list the reasons Trump is not horrible.

1) He's a con man. Has been almost all of his adult life.
2) He lies as much as most people breathe. He lies so much it's hard to tell when he's actually telling the truth.
3) He never accepts he has done anything wrong.
4) He blames everyone except himself for **** that goes wrong under his watch.
5) He attacks our institutions with reckless abandon, not because hey need attacking, but to protect himself.
6) He is incapable of empathy.
7) He is a massive hypocrite. Example: golf. Said Obama did too much golfing, said he'd never do it. His golfing has cost us $80M (last figure I saw)
8) He's as dumb as a box of rocks and has the attention span of a gnat, so he can't really learn new things.
9) He's a divider who claims to be a uniter, but most people see through it.
10) He is such a simpleton relationship wise that he only views people in two ways: 1) if you're nice to him, he's nice to you 2) if you ever say anything negative towards him, he now dislikes you. Foreign leaders have already figured this out and use flattery to get what they want from him (see Abe at G20 for recent example)
11) He never laughs. There is definitely something broken in him that he can't see humor in life.

There's more, but I think you might get the drift.

Forgot a very important one:
12) He does not seem to get along with animals. Has no pets. Does not appear to think highly of dogs because he often uses "like a dog" to debase others. Only interaction I've seen between Trump and a creature was the eagle (and we know what happened in that one). <--This should probably be #1.

 

[DDD]

...he was stupid enough to believe Putin, has done nothing at all about Russia interfering in our politics, social media.

There is actually more but if you need to ask the question then your bias is a danger, and you should take a cold hard look at those who have gave you that bias.

I need some sort of an idea, to understand and maybe changing my mind.

Hmmmm...

 

[marke]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Trump is horrible in the eyes of democrat socialists who see him as an impediment to their progressive efforts toward making America hedonistic and ungodly.

 

[ataraxia]

Trump is horrible in the eyes of democrat socialists who see him as an impediment to their progressive efforts toward making America hedonistic and ungodly.

They have already gotten rid of witch burnings and trials by ordeal. Next thing you know they will be wanting the women-folk to be able to do something other than remain barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen their whole life!

 

[poweRob]

I get it all the time that Trump is horrible and will ruin America. Can you please explain why? Actual answers, not talking points please.

If you don't see it yet, you probably never will... But I'll take a stab at it. The turn in the economy is nigh. The deficit spending has hit a 10 year high. The trade wars are taking their toll on the farmers and auto industries. Our allies feel completely spurned isolating us in the world while he simultaneously coddles up to murderous dictators. He's by far the most divisive president in my life-time, dividing Americans with the most unpresidential behavior spewing hate right out of the white house towards anyone who doesn't agree with him and kiss his ass.

 

[Phys251]

Pot, meet kettle.

Cha-ching! :mrgreen:

 

[Xelor]

Above all else, Trump is horrible because he's a liar who lies so often and about so many things, great and small, that his word cannot be relied upon.

But doesn't every politician compulsively lie? I'm not saying Trump doesn't lie, but how is he any different?

If you don't know by now, you've not been paying attention....And if you've not been paying attention, there's no point in my engaging with you on the topic. Perhaps others will forbear such a conversation partner; I won't.

How have I not been paying attention? See there's no explanation, its always straight to an answer like "you don't pay attention". I need some sort of an idea, to understand and maybe changing my mind.

If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?
-- Sam Harris​

Red:
The following are what you've not paid attention to:

• Tu quoque
  • One thing to which you didn't pay attention is basic logic.
• The question you asked: "Why is Trump horrible?"
  • Another thing to which you didn't pay attention is the very question you asked.
    • You asked why is Trump horrible, and that's the question I answered. Trump's horribleness is a function of Trump's behavior, not a function of B's or anyone else's behavior. As shown by your "blue" statement, you agree with me that Trump is a liar.
• The quality of Trump's prevaricating, paltering, and other lying behavior.
  • The quality of one's behavior is given by the behavior's nature, extent and timing. The verisimility of all three dimensions of Trump's lying behavior has been well reported; thus as I wrote above, if you don't know the nature, extent and timing of Trump's lying behavior, you haven't been paying attention.
    • The logical structure of my answer to your thread question is:
      • Premises: Donald Trump is a liar who lies often and about matters great and small.
        Conclusion: Therefore Donald Trump is horrible.
    • Review the lies Trump's told that you'll find at the immediately preceding link. Note not only the nature of Trump's lies, but also their quantity, and the rate of their occurrence. (Put numbers to each dimension.) What you'll find is that:
      Premise: Trump lies --> True
      Premise: Trump lies often --> True
      Premise: Trump lies often about matters great and small --> True
      • Do you want to argue that lying behavior of the nature, extent and timing that Trump exhibits doesn't make "horrible" a person exhibiting such behavior?
        
        I don't know if you do or don't, but I know that is the extant logically valid counterargument available to pursue in response to my answer to your title question. If you do want to pursue that line, you're certainly free to do so, you and I simply have vastly differing ethical/moral standards re: what makes a person be and/or be not "horrible." The nature of your standards thus, vis-a-vis mine, isn't something I will debate/discuss with you.
  • Insofar as you are unaware of the nature, extent and timing of Trump's lies -- be it in the abstract or in comparison to the nature, extent and timing of other public officials' lying behavior -- you are under-/ill-informed to discuss the qualitative nature of Trump's lying behavior.
    • Because you are thus benighted, I'm unwilling to discuss with you the matter of how Trump's horribleness as a function of his lying behavior.
    • Simply put, I don't care to engage with an OP-er who lacks portfolio on the very topic about which they entreated for discussion.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion.
-- Harlan Ellison​

 

[1751Texan]

Thats not an actual answer, give me an actual reason, so I may understand better.

For people that voted Trump into office, why would someone's standards of a President matter?

Trump has settled into the whole GOP ...do nothing mode of operation.

 

[Nickyjo]

Care to point out what makes Trump fascistic?

It’s Trump’s style. In no particular order: “only I can solve this”, i.e., the strong man view of history; naming of scapegoats, some form of “the other,”; the dark picture he paints, “American carnage”; the suggestions of violence towards hecklers; the (what seem to me unnecessary) political rallies in front of adoring crowds.

A bit more of a stretch to make my point were his descent on the escalator and his appearance to accept the nomination in a “night and fog” scene out of 1930s German expressinism.

Obviously, I am reading a lot into some of this, and individually the signs are minor perhaps, but style is often meaning. More dark are the enemy of the people stuff, admiration for the tactics used by dictators, his racist attack on Judge Curiel, his suggestion of “taking out” the families of terrorists (war crime), and his abandoned plan to use torture “worse than waterboarding.”

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Hmmmm...

Hmmmm what?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Self invalidation must be your superpower.

^^^ That's it! He raised lil' Kim and North Korea to super power status. For nothing.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Trump is horrible in the eyes of democrat socialists who see him as an impediment to their progressive efforts toward making America hedonistic and ungodly.

Really? Like who? Please name some names.

 

[Geoist]

I get it all the time that Trump is horrible and will ruin America. Can you please explain why? Actual answers, not talking points please.

Since this is Trump, maybe you should be more specific. Are we talking policy? Ideology? Character?

 

[Xelor]

OP asked for actual things, not taking points, you saying he lies is your opinion because you only know what the MSM tells you, so maybe try again!

You just keep thinking that....

 

[ThoughtEx.]

I get it all the time that Trump is horrible and will ruin America. Can you please explain why? Actual answers, not talking points please.

Well, he separated families of refugees as a deterrent to them legally seeking asylum. Imprisons refugees and takes their families for a misdemeanor technicality. And demonizes the people while he does it. This is a crime against humanity.

He is damaging every single department under his wing. He is appointing unqualified people, and sometimes people actively opposed to the organization they are heading. He appointed the head of the EPA to destroy the EPA. He sold education to the Devos' who are financially tied to christian private schools.

Under him Jeff Sessions expanded civil asset forfeiture. Expanded private prisons. And hardened drug laws to fill those prisons. In clear violation of the 4th and 5th amendments.

He has no respect for our allies. And salutes our enemies.

None of his economic policies are remotely sustainable. And funnel wealth to the top. While sucking the value out of peoples money on the bottom. And giving them slightly more of it. Which is worth less. So a net loss overall. It's called pissing down your back, and telling you it's raining.

He prey's on our stupidest most hateful people. And says whatever they want to hear.

On a personal level. He has no respect for anyone but himself. He is extremely low iq. Entitled. A sexist. A racist. And a bigot. He makes fun of the handicapped. And disrespects our veterans. He has no honor. No integrity. And no decency.

He assaults women, and brags about it. And appoints other sexual predators. And the retards who support for him are all to happy to ignore it, and even actively demand everyone prove every little thing. Even tho he is on tape admitting it. We are told to not believe everything he says, by his supporters. Meaning they are aware that he is an asshat, and are fine with it.

Honestly, I hate his supporters more than I hate him. They are the real trash. He is playing to them.

You can try and explain it all away as he doesn't act on it, and that he's a troll.

But a troll has no place in the Highest Office. And I hate trolls because they are terrible people. They shouldn't lead the free world, because they will destroy it. But he's not a troll.

He's a mentally handicapped narcissist playing a song for an aging group of racists and fascists that have stayed quiet for the last couple decades for fear of being ostracized from society totally. He is there chance to be relevant again. At least for a little while.

And he is just a terrible terrible business man. Which is why he has ties to the Russians, as American banks won't deal with him as he is very prone to bankruptcy.

 

[Grand Mal]

But doesn't every politician compulsively lie? I'm not saying Trump doesn't lie, but how is he any different?

No. Not all politicians are liars. That's just one of those talking points you asked not be brought up. That's just what supporters of liars say. And people who routinely lie themselves.
You watch, somebody's sure to bring an example of another politician lying and say it excuses Trump's lies. You could name 10 honest politicians and they'll just say those are the successful liars.

 

[marke]

They have already gotten rid of witch burnings and trials by ordeal. Next thing you know they will be wanting the women-folk to be able to do something other than remain barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen their whole life!

Democrats persecute, malign, assault and even murder their enemies. To them there is no greater good than supporting the demonic democrat party.

 

[akyron]

It's very hard to take anyone with an avatar or signature like yours seriously.

Have you seen MSNBC lately? It is difficult to take them seriously as well.

 

[marke]

Really? Like who? Please name some names.

Name some democrat socialists who do like Trump. Democrats do not take kindly to one of their own saying nice things about Trump.

 

[DDD]

Hmmmm what?

I was alluding that perhaps a subtle occasion where Russians are intruding on your politics via social media such as the DP may be at hand.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Name some democrat socialists who do like Trump. Democrats do not take kindly to one of their own saying nice things about Trump.

So no one. You were simply being dishonest.

Thanks! Got it.

 

[holbritter]

Optics is everything on the world stage. When a president looks like a weak, petty, incompetent man, who's heart can be found via flattery, that's how the world is going to not only see that leader, but also it's entire populace going forward.

And it's not just the optics either. If you want to talk about policy he's an absolute train-wreck there, as well in his overall abilities as a leader. His whole administration has been a dumpster fire - there's really no other way to say it.

Thank you.