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ILikeDubyah said:
Just curious, are there unicorns, gnomes & leprachauns in this fantasy world where you seem to be living?...World peace is not possible, it's never been possible, and statements like "we'll figure out how to get there" just don't cut it.

Also, murder in the name of religion is dying out....Yeah, once we win this war it should taper off, however it is still running rampant, what with the daily car bombings...ya think?

God gave you a brain. Use it.

Compare the amount of religious violence that there has been throughout history now compare it to where we are today. Don't be a moron. It's on it's way out so the logical thing to do would be to stop inciting it.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
God gave you a brain. Use it.

Compare the amount of religious violence that there has been throughout history now compare it to where we are today. Don't be a moron. It's on it's way out so the logical thing to do would be to stop inciting it.


Odd how you didn't hear about religious violence on a mass scale (in recent history) until about 10 to 15 (aside from muslim on jew & vice versa), and now there's been a huge spike. If anything, I'd say it's increasing, and will continue to increase until we put a stop to it. How do you reason with someone completely insane? You don't, you take them out.

"God gave me a gun...might makes right now, who shall we smite now?" -Roger Clyne...this song was composed in jest, but I prefer to take it literally.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
Odd how you didn't hear about religious violence on a mass scale (in recent history) until about 10 to 15 (aside from muslim on jew & vice versa), and now there's been a huge spike. If anything, I'd say it's increasing, and will continue to increase until we put a stop to it. How do you reason with someone completely insane? You don't, you take them out.

I would say that currently it is indeed increasing because our wars are inflaming the situation. If we start making attempts to soothe situation as opposed to what we are doing, we would find a more permanent progress. Many of the ones you would call your enemy are not completely insane.

"God gave me a gun...might makes right now, who shall we smite now?" -Roger Clyne...this song was composed in jest, but I prefer to take it literally.

I'm pretty sure Roger Clyne would be beyond amused by such a statement.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I would say that currently it is indeed increasing because our wars are inflaming the situation. If we start making attempts to soothe situation as opposed to what we are doing, we would find a more permanent progress. Many of the ones you would call your enemy are not completely insane.

So who were we at war with back in 93' to insight the 1st WTC bombing

Or when the USS Cole was bombed?

Or on 9/11?

So the people loading a truck full of explosives and driving into a crowd, blowing themselves to bits as weee...are not completely insane...hmmmm. (Those are the only "enemies" i was talking about.) Permanent progress....death to the ones causing problems isn't permanent enough?


I'm pretty sure Roger Clyne would be beyond amused by such a statement.

Glad I could amuse him...he amused me as well.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
So who were we at war with back in 93' to insight the 1st WTC bombing

Or when the USS Cole was bombed?

Or on 9/11?

We weren't at war with anyone. You know that.

If you're looking for a motive, there are many theories as to why their hate is focused around the United States. As I've directed others, I would direct you to Usama bin Laden's "letter to America" if not incredibly necessary it is indeed incredibly interesting.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
Odd how you didn't hear about religious violence on a mass scale (in recent history) until about 10 to 15 (aside from muslim on jew & vice versa), and now there's been a huge spike. If anything, I'd say it's increasing, and will continue to increase until we put a stop to it. How do you reason with someone completely insane? You don't, you take them out.

"God gave me a gun...might makes right now, who shall we smite now?" -Roger Clyne...this song was composed in jest, but I prefer to take it literally.
Wait, so let me sum this up, at least my interpretation of what you said. Since we weren't as involved in the religious warfare, it didn't exist? Are you ****ing retarded? The jews v. the muslims has been going on since there were jews and muslims, in the 70s a bunch of Americans were taken hostage for over a year by radical islamic fundamentalists (duh, that's why Carter lost so easily), there've been terrorist attacks on the news my whole ****ing life, so it's obviously been around forever jackass.
And speaking of a huge spike, have you noticed anything about the sheer amount of terrorists now in comparison to how many before we attacked Iraq?

Jackass.
 
galenrox said:
Wait, so let me sum this up, at least my interpretation of what you said. Since we weren't as involved in the religious warfare, it didn't exist? Are you ****ing retarded? The jews v. the muslims has been going on since there were jews and muslims, in the 70s a bunch of Americans were taken hostage for over a year by radical islamic fundamentalists (duh, that's why Carter lost so easily), there've been terrorist attacks on the news my whole ****ing life, so it's obviously been around forever jackass.
And speaking of a huge spike, have you noticed anything about the sheer amount of terrorists now in comparison to how many before we attacked Iraq?

Jackass.


Jackass is right...perhaps you should have read the previous posts....knee-jerk @ the keyboard...look out!
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
We weren't at war with anyone. You know that.

If you're looking for a motive, there are many theories as to why their hate is focused around the United States. As I've directed others, I would direct you to Usama bin Laden's "letter to America" if not incredibly necessary it is indeed incredibly interesting.

You were the one in a previous post that said that "OUR wars were inflaming the situation"...I then listed 3 unprovoked attacks. I've read the letter....I'm not looking for motive. I know the guy's insane, as are the rest of the idiots strapping bombs to themselves, and as is Saddam Hussein...A man that ordered the "Ethnic Cleansing" of approximately 100,000 of his own people for no reason other than that he was paranoid that they were in league with Iran. What do you know...another reason that this war is justified.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
You were the one in a previous post that said that "OUR wars were inflaming the situation"...I then listed 3 unprovoked attacks.


I believe I said, "Our wars are(present tense) inflaming the situation."

I've read the letter....I'm not looking for motive. I know the guy's insane, as are the rest of the idiots strapping bombs to themselves, and as is Saddam Hussein...A man that ordered the "Ethnic Cleansing" of approximately 100,000 of his own people for no reason other than that he was paranoid that they were in league with Iran. What do you know...another reason that this war is justified.

I don't understand how people can think Usama's insane after reading that letter. There are things in that letter than I find myself agreeing with. There are things in that letter that I've seen so many others on this board agreeing with.

He brings up us not signing the Kyoto. He brings up homosexuality. He brings up the degredation of women in advertising. He brings up the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. He brings up the sanctions on Iraq that killed over a million Iraqi children.

Before I read the letter, I was expecting to find a mad man. If it weren't for his actions, his ideas would be revolutionary. But he's a murderer. I don't condone any such things.

Need I remind you of our support for both Saddam and bin Laden. We supported two murderers and just look what they've become.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I believe I said, "Our wars are(present tense) inflaming the situation."



I don't understand how people can think Usama's insane after reading that letter. There are things in that letter than I find myself agreeing with. There are things in that letter that I've seen so many others on this board agreeing with.

He brings up us not signing the Kyoto. He brings up homosexuality. He brings up the degredation of women in advertising. He brings up the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. He brings up the sanctions on Iraq that killed over a million Iraqi children.

Before I read the letter, I was expecting to find a mad man. If it weren't for his actions, his ideas would be revolutionary. But he's a murderer. I don't condone any such things.

Need I remind you of our support for both Saddam and bin Laden. We supported two murderers and just look what they've become.

Yes, we supported them, because we thought it was the right thing to do at the time, so by your logic, if you make a mistake, you're stuck with it & not allowed to rectify it?

Yes, his ideas would be revolutionary....in a conservative sort of way, kind of a return to normalcy. Hitler's big plan was to have a strong, unified Germany that would last for 1000 years, rather than the Chaos & the 60 or so existing political parties running around not accomplishing anything...another revolutionary idea....no matter how revolutionary your ideas may be, the way you attain your goals ultimately decided how great your ideas are, and what kind of person you are....They're both nut-jobs. Just Curious, would you have tried to reason with Osama, as well as Saddam, rather than taking them out?

As for the letter, I'm with him on homosexuality, as I believe it's just wrong. But, as for women, better to give them the choice as to whether they WANT to be degraded for advertising, than to TELL them they're not allowed to drive, walk to the market un-escorted, not allowed to vote, must be at least 90% covered at all times...etc...etc...etc. I'm guessing you're a woman, is that really what you'd want? I personally agree with not signing the kyoto accord. The Gaza Situation will soon be over (Via relatively peaceful means), and as for the Iraqi children...It wasn't our sanctions that killed them, It was the Iraqi government. Yes, we imposed the sanctions, but why did we do so? Non-complience. Comply with us & our wishes & all will be well. Kind of shows you how Saddam ran his country too. If I were the leader of a country & the most powerful country on Earth put sanctions against me, If I chose not to comply, I'd at least make buddies with my neighbors to get what I needed for my people....The name of the country was Iraq, not SaddamLand....by only looking out for himself & the people of his party, HE caused these deaths.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
Yes, we supported them, because we thought it was the right thing to do at the time, so by your logic, if you make a mistake, you're stuck with it & not allowed to rectify it?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

Yes, his ideas would be revolutionary....in a conservative sort of way, kind of a return to normalcy. Hitler's big plan was to have a strong, unified Germany that would last for 1000 years, rather than the Chaos & the 60 or so existing political parties running around not accomplishing anything...another revolutionary idea....no matter how revolutionary your ideas may be, the way you attain your goals ultimately decided how great your ideas are, and what kind of person you are....They're both nut-jobs. Just Curious, would you have tried to reason with Osama, as well as Saddam, rather than taking them out?

Yep, with the amount of leverage we had after 9/11? Coaltion of the Willing was much greater then. Even France was involved. We could have done so much that didn't require killing people, but we didn't. By the way, Usama has not been "taken out" as of yet, in case you haven't heard.

As for the letter, I'm with him on homosexuality, as I believe it's just wrong.

Congradulations. You have found common ground between yourself and your enemy.

But, as for women, better to give them the choice as to whether they WANT to be degraded for advertising, than to TELL them they're not allowed to drive, walk to the market un-escorted, not allowed to vote, must be at least 90% covered at all times...etc...etc...etc.

That's exaclty his point. We scream for the rights of women and then turn around and treat them like objects here. That's exaclty what he said.

I'm guessing you're a woman, is that really what you'd want?

I'm a male, an ALPHA MALE.

I personally agree with not signing the kyoto accord. The Gaza Situation will soon be over (Via relatively peaceful means), and as for the Iraqi children...It wasn't our sanctions that killed them, It was the Iraqi government. Yes, we imposed the sanctions, but why did we do so? Non-complience. Comply with us & our wishes & all will be well.

Comply with us or your children will die? Hmm... That sounds like a TERRORIST.

The people of Iraq did not see the sanctions as an attack on Saddam they saw it as an attack on them and their own.

Kind of shows you how Saddam ran his country too. If I were the leader of a country & the most powerful country on Earth put sanctions against me, If I chose not to comply, I'd at least make buddies with my neighbors to get what I needed for my people....The name of the country was Iraq, not SaddamLand....by only looking out for himself & the people of his party, HE caused these deaths.

Make friends with his neighbors?? Yeah, he could just talk to his old buddies in Iran.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
That's not what I'm saying at all.



Yep, with the amount of leverage we had after 9/11? Coaltion of the Willing was much greater then. Even France was involved. We could have done so much that didn't require killing people, but we didn't. By the way, Usama has not been "taken out" as of yet, in case you haven't heard.

So, for the sake of arguement,you'll try to reason with an escaped mental patient that just shot you in the stomach, even when you happen to be in posession of a gun?



Congradulations. You have found common ground between yourself and your enemy.

Everyone has at least 1 piece of common ground with everyone else...hey, what do you know, we both probably like being alive too.

That's exaclty his point. We scream for the rights of women and then turn around and treat them like objects here. That's exaclty what he said.

But my point is that there is choice involved our way. If the woman wants to dress like a whore, it's her choice. He'd treat them not like objects, but like livestock...which is worse?



I'm a male, an ALPHA MALE.

So sorry, but for some reason, your username combined with your views made me think you were female.

Comply with us or your children will die? Hmm... That sounds like a TERRORIST.

We did not say that. we said comply with us or we'll set sanctions against you. what happens because you didn't comply is your fault, not ours.

The people of Iraq did not see the sanctions as an attack on Saddam they saw it as an attack on them and their own.

Would like to see proof. Ever see the Discovery Channel program "The Case against Saddam?" Seems to me that even if they saw it as an attack on them, they REALLY like America, the kurds, at least.


Make friends with his neighbors?? Yeah, he could just talk to his old buddies in Iran.

How about Syria & Lebanon...Saddam had allies, you know.
 
ILikeDubyah said:
How about Syria & Lebanon...Saddam had allies, you know.

I have no doubt in my mind that Syria and Lebanon were helping all that they could. The shortage of food was a result of US foriegn policy.
 
This topic is getting dilluted and expanding into different areas with different people, so I'll try to be concise... try


Gandhi>Bush said:
That's exactly why I don't think that is an issue to the common man. The Saudi's ask us to be there. That's not a beef with the US foriegn policy.

We know what their problems, we've been over it, and yes part of hypocri-er bin Ladens beef is by his own words 'infidels on holy land'. Regardless, it doesn't change what is; we're in a war with extremists. A war that was declared 7 years before we struck back.

Gandhi>Bush said:
Can you really not see how hatred and intolerance has truly decreased? It's certianly happened here in America. It's not gone, but I assure you it will be some day.

I can see that we as a country have evolved to where we don't have the ugliness that exists in some parts of the world. Not because we're higher-brow or any such lofty notions, but because our law enforcement has made it very unpleasant to keep up the practise of killing people based on their color or whatever and allowing people to turn a blind eye. Such behaviour is basically left up to the criminally insane, -whether they judged that way or not- and our filled to capacity prisons can attest to hates healthy existence in our country.


Gandhi>Bush said:
They don't like us for our support for Israel.

We know that...

Gandhi>Bush said:
You should never give anyone everything they want when you're negotiating a deal.

Given the admission that Israel is intending to seize the West Bank, they're not.

Gandhi>Bush said:
You should always have conditions and your own set of demands so that a comprimise be reached.

This has been attempted, from the Madrid Conference to the Oslo accord...
The lunatics proved that what their leader says (Arafat at the time) and what they do are 2 different stories altogether.


Gandhi>Bush said:
What is Israel and the US getting? It's appeasement and that's not at all what I'm talking about. I can think of a condition: the jewish settlers that are there, they should be offered citizenship instead of being displaced.

This fight, which is as old as time, goes far beyond living there. By their own beliefs, and as bin Laden mentioned in his letter, both sides believe it is theirs to own. Their rightful land as promised by God. They can easily live shoulder to shoulder physically, it's the mentality that's clouding the issue.

My whole point of make them stop didn't mean make them stop hating - they can hate all they want - the point was make them stop committing crimes. Do you truly think racism has been abolished? That people who hated blacks and jews all of their lives just stopped? Of course not, Law made them stop. Maybe their future descendents will know better, but the hate will have to grow out of their seed. While this might seem to correspond with your' hate will be eradicated' theory, you have to remember number one, it took a civil war to abolish slavery and two, it took years of hard work by law enforcement and convictions to put an end to violence against blacks. Not that it has stopped, it's just not as prevailent. Violent people don't care for words, that's why they've resorted to violence; it's their expression and the language they speak best.
bin Laden and his kind celebrate death, (his words) and Americans celebrate life. What do you think his language is? Despite the psuedo -peaceful rhetoric in his letter?


Gandhi>Bush said:
I don't think self-loathing is always the case.

Sure, there're plenty of petty reasons to hate, but find me a man who is content within himself, that feels he has to commit acts of violence on others. That's either a man wronged or a sociopath.

Gandhi>Bush said:
I don't see eye to eye with my parents. I don't "hate" my parents. There is a distinct line between hatred and discontent.

As far as I know, you haven't killed them. Of course there exists a difference, but we're talking about Islamic extremists, who kill.

Don't know if that was concise enough but...
 
VTA said:
I can see that we as a country have evolved to where we don't have the ugliness that exists in some parts of the world. Not because we're higher-brow or any such lofty notions, but because our law enforcement has made it very unpleasant to keep up the practise of killing people based on their color or whatever and allowing people to turn a blind eye. Such behaviour is basically left up to the criminally insane, -whether they judged that way or not- and our filled to capacity prisons can attest to hates healthy existence in our country.

I did not mean to say that hate doesn't exist. I do believe that it can die.

Given the admission that Israel is intending to seize the West Bank, they're not.

I think the situation is too complex for such a simple solution.

This has been attempted, from the Madrid Conference to the Oslo accord...
The lunatics proved that what their leader says (Arafat at the time) and what they do are 2 different stories altogether.

As soon as security is placed in the hands of the Palestinians we could expect them to condemn such actions and enforce such things.

This fight, which is as old as time, goes far beyond living there. By their own beliefs, and as bin Laden mentioned in his letter, both sides believe it is theirs to own. Their rightful land as promised by God. They can easily live shoulder to shoulder physically, it's the mentality that's clouding the issue.

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

My whole point of make them stop didn't mean make them stop hating - they can hate all they want - the point was make them stop committing crimes. Do you truly think racism has been abolished? That people who hated blacks and jews all of their lives just stopped? Of course not, Law made them stop. Maybe their future descendents will know better, but the hate will have to grow out of their seed. While this might seem to correspond with your' hate will be eradicated' theory, you have to remember number one, it took a civil war to abolish slavery and two, it took years of hard work by law enforcement and convictions to put an end to violence against blacks. Not that it has stopped, it's just not as prevailent. Violent people don't care for words, that's why they've resorted to violence; it's their expression and the language they speak best.
bin Laden and his kind celebrate death, (his words) and Americans celebrate life. What do you think his language is? Despite the psuedo -peaceful rhetoric in his letter?

No, I don't think Racism has been abolished. Don't you think it's minimal at best though? It barely qualifies as a minority when you look at the comparisons.

There are very few men that truly want to kill or die. I do believe that bin Laden would love to kill all of us, but I don't think that is what most of his followers believe. They are who we must win over.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
I don't know what you're trying to say here.

Basically that offering them citizenship isn't going to work. Both sides believe it is theirs by divine right and will accept nothing less than complete ownership.



Gandhi>Bush said:
No, I don't think Racism has been abolished. Don't you think it's minimal at best though? It barely qualifies as a minority when you look at the comparisons.

There are very few men that truly want to kill or die. I do believe that bin Laden would love to kill all of us, but I don't think that is what most of his followers believe. They are who we must win over.

We're not going to win over the hardcores. They're gone and the ideology is drilled into their heads good and deep.

The people who

1. refuse to choose a side and wish both sides would knock it off.

and

2. who are the future generations are the people to appeal to.

bin Ladens followers are already gone.
 
VTA said:
Basically that offering them citizenship isn't going to work. Both sides believe it is theirs by divine right and will accept nothing less than complete ownership.

Then give both parties complete ownership.

We're not going to win over the hardcores. They're gone and the ideology is drilled into their heads good and deep.

The people who

1. refuse to choose a side and wish both sides would knock it off.

and

2. who are the future generations are the people to appeal to.

bin Ladens followers are already gone.

I don't think so. I think many have a cause that they believe they are following, and if we can break that, we can break their will to fight.
 
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Gandhi>Bush said:
Then give both parties complete ownership.

On this point I can only offer conjecture; but I'd think if it were that easy, it'd been done by now. I think, for the most part, what's going in Israel/Palestine is mostly a product of thick heads.


Gandhi>Bush said:
I don't think so. I think many have a cause that they believe they are following, and if we can break that, we can break their will to fight.

There'll be plenty of time and opportunities to see... there're alot more to consider as opposed to focusing on bin Laden, and time will tell if they're 'simply' misled or really screwed up.
 
scottyz said:
Please only purchase music from patriotic conservative musicians like Toby Keith, Jessica Simpson, Brooks and Dunn, Ted Nugent, Britney Spears, Lee Greenwood, and Pat Boone.

But, all those musicians suck! :2funny:

I mean Jessica Simpson barely qualifies as a singer, and doesn't come anywhere close to being considered a musician.

I chose my music based on the quality of the music, not the political views of the performers.
 
VTA said:
On this point I can only offer conjecture; but I'd think if it were that easy, it'd been done by now. I think, for the most part, what's going in Israel/Palestine is mostly a product of thick heads.

Is Israel considered a "Jewish State," or is it merely a country with a large Jewish population?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Is Israel considered a "Jewish State," or is it merely a country with a large Jewish population?

I'm sure that all depends on who you ask...

How can we truly discuss a problem this large with any real understanding? It's so much larger than us and has existed since the beginning of time. The only thing that's changed is the names of the people fighting over it... Canaaites, Philistines, Amorites, Hittites, Palestinians, Jews... And they are just a few...
 
I think we should ban Amazing Grace. I think that gays choose to be gay and that they do not deserve to sit on eachothers deathbeds. (that is not my slander that was what was on the bill i voted on in oklahoma as I voted against bush If you want to call this BS post a link here citing the whole bill and Ill show you.)

So Amazing Grace has got to go cause Grace aint ****.
 
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