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(CNN)Victims of a shooting at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic in November filed a lawsuit against the organization, alleging Planned Parenthood did not provide adequate security.

The family of Ke'Arre Stewart, who was killed by the shooter, and Samantha Wagner, who was shot in the arm, filed the suit.

Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting victims file suit - CNN.com

:bravo:

I pray for the Stewart and Wagner family. I hope this lawsuit brings some sort of closure. It is about time we go after PP. These clinics are unsafe, foster a dangerous environment and lead to more violence in areas near a clinic.

These clinics have caused so much death, I am glad these families are going after such a evil organization. Arsons, terrorist attacks, bomb threats, when will the violence end?
 

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Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting victims file suit - CNN.com

:bravo:

I pray for the Stewart and Wagner family. I hope this lawsuit brings some sort of closure. It is about time we go after PP. These clinics are unsafe, foster a dangerous environment and lead to more violence in areas near a clinic.

These clinics have caused so much death, I am glad these families are going after such a evil organization. Arsons, terrorist attacks, bomb threats, when will the violence end?

Oh yeah, sue the organization providing a needed service because dimwit anti-abortion fanatics shoot up and bomb clinics. :doh

That's a realistic way to deal with the problem, require clinics become armed fortresses (passing on the costs to the women seeking services) or face lawsuits from people seeking those services because lunatic-fringers target them. :screwy

How about targeting the nutters who think they are fighting the good fight by blowing up, burning, or running in and shooting everyone? Filing suit against the church groups and anti-abortion organizations who incite such violence, and the families of the criminals who actually attacked the clinics?

Meh! I guess their pockets aren't deep enough to assuage the "sorrow" of the people who prefer to blame Planned Parenthood. :coffeepap:
 
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Oh yeah, sue the organization providing a needed service because dimwit anti-abortion fanatics shoot up and bomb clinics. :doh

That's a realistic way to deal with the problem, require clinics become armed fortresses (passing on the costs to the women seeking services) or face lawsuits from people seeking those services because lunatic-fringers target them. :screwy

How about targeting the nutters who think they are fighting the good fight by blowing up, burning, or running in and shooting everyone? Filing suit against the churches and anti-abortion organizations who incite such violence, and the families of the criminals who actually attacked the clinics?

Independent of the bias of your political opinion on the subject it does plead a debate about the level of security an institution should guarantee, if it knows the hostility it awakens.
 

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I predict that this lawsuit won't win anything.
 

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Oh yeah, sue the organization providing a needed service because dimwit anti-abortion fanatics shoot up and bomb clinics. :doh

That's a realistic way to deal with the problem, require clinics become armed fortresses (passing on the costs to the women seeking services) or face lawsuits from people seeking those services because lunatic-fringers target them. :screwy

How about targeting the nutters who think they are fighting the good fight by blowing up, burning, or running in and shooting everyone? Filing suit against the church groups and anti-abortion organizations who incite such violence, and the families of the criminals who actually attacked the clinics?

Meh! I guess their pockets aren't deep enough to assuage the "sorrow" of the people who prefer to blame Planned Parenthood. :coffeepap:

These clinics should foster a welcoming and friendly environment for women.

The reality is many of these clinics promote the exact opposite emotions - fear, danger, sadness, grief. Women should not be subjected to such dangerous conditions.
 

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Independent of the bias of your political opinion on the subject it does plead a debate about the level of security an institution should guarantee, if it knows the hostility it awakens.

I see. So much as with our current set-up with TSA at airports, let's allow terrorist to mold the situation for us. Lets make an already emotional and difficult situation more cumbersome, costly, and uncomfortable for the women seeking the services.

Exactly what level of security would be sufficient to prevent bombs, arsons, and suicide attackers? I'd like to know because maybe we could use it in other areas at risk; like schools, churches and mosques, office buildings...you know, places that are targeted so very frequently.
 

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I see. So much as with our current set-up with TSA at airports, let's allow terrorist to mold the situation for us. Lets make an already emotional and difficult situation more cumbersome, costly, and uncomfortable for the women seeking the services.

Exactly what level of security would be sufficient to prevent bombs, arsons, and suicide attackers? I'd like to know because maybe we could use it in other areas at risk; like schools, churches and mosques, office buildings...you know, places that are targeted so very frequently.

Who are the terrorists though C.A? The true monsters are those killing babies and selling baby parts.

We need to abolish these gulags, not protect them however it would be appropriate that they be surrounded by barb wires.
 

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These clinics should foster a welcoming and friendly environment for women.

The reality is many of these clinics promote the exact opposite emotions - fear, danger, sadness, grief. Women should not be subjected to such dangerous conditions.

What are you talking about? :confused:

With the possible exception of pediatrics wards, how many "upbeat environments" are there in your typical medical facility? Do you think security guards, checkpoints, x-ray stands, and body cavity searches are going to make women who are already in a distressed emotional state feel warm and fuzzy?

I do think a positive environment would be helpful. I don't think turning a clinic into a high-security fortress will do the trick. :shrug:
 

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Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting victims file suit - CNN.com

:bravo:

I pray for the Stewart and Wagner family. I hope this lawsuit brings some sort of closure. It is about time we go after PP. These clinics are unsafe, foster a dangerous environment and lead to more violence in areas near a clinic.

These clinics have caused so much death, I am glad these families are going after such a evil organization.
Arsons, terrorist attacks, bomb threats, when will the violence end?



Not when we lock up all of the anti-choice terrorists who commit these acts because that's not going to happen.

Some far-right evangelicals would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom,controlling every American's private life.

That's not going to happen.Not today,not tomorrow,not ever.

Wait and see.
 

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Who are the terrorists though C.A? The true monsters are those killing babies and selling baby parts.

We need to abolish these gulags, not protect them however it would be appropriate that they be surrounded by barb wires.

They are not "gulags." Gulags are set up to house involuntary inmates. No one compels a woman to go to a clinic and have an abortion; it is HER choice all the way through.

Unlike anti-abortionists who would compel her to have, and then either raise an unwanted child, or give it to an orphanage...which BTW are still full of unwanted babies. I wonder where all you volunteer parents are, willing to take up this burden?

As for "killing babies?" I guess that all depends on one's interpretation of "baby."
 
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I see. So much as with our current set-up with TSA at airports, let's allow terrorist to mold the situation for us. Lets make an already emotional and difficult situation more cumbersome, costly, and uncomfortable for the women seeking the services.

Exactly what level of security would be sufficient to prevent bombs, arsons, and suicide attackers? I'd like to know because maybe we could use it in other areas at risk; like schools, churches and mosques, office buildings...you know, places that are targeted so very frequently.

There is quite a lively discussion about the level of protection that is required for different levels of risk. But you know that. Look at airports or even soccer games in Europe, where the risks have traditionally been relatively moderate. So say. Would you prefer the "women seeking the services" be better blown away than go through "cumbersome, costly, and uncomfortable" like the ones I go through, when I fly to London every week?
 

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These clinics should foster a welcoming and friendly environment for women.

The reality is many of these clinics promote the exact opposite emotions - fear, danger, sadness, grief. Women should not be subjected to such dangerous conditions.

Then stop trying to take away their rights, that is the most heinous of abuses. It is none of your GD business.
 

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Independent of the bias of your political opinion on the subject it does plead a debate about the level of security an institution should guarantee, if it knows the hostility it awakens.

LMAO by the mentally retarded and dishonest logic George TIller's family should sue the Lutheran Church

That being said, if the clinic was in breach of some rules, laws or protocol that are established for medical facilities then the suit may have teeth but otherwise it doesn't.
 

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There is quite a lively discussion about the level of protection that is required for different levels of risk. But you know that. Look at airports or even soccer games in Europe, where the risks have traditionally been relatively moderate. So say. Would you prefer the "women seeking the services" be better blown away than go through "cumbersome, costly, and uncomfortable" like the ones I go through, when I fly to London every week?

I haven't flown anywhere in years, not since shortly after they set up those time-consuming and invasive security systems and the asshat rules turning flight attendants into junior gestapo agents. If I can't drive, I simply won't go unless it's an absolute emergency. Even then I might pick a train.

That's the problem with the gleeful argument of the OP. Make an already bad experience as problematic as possible; not to help prevent attacks, but rather to discourage more women into avoiding the process entirely. Leaving the options to either not abort, or resorting to less safe but more private alternatives (like coat hangers, falling down stairs, etc.)
 
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Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting victims file suit - CNN.com

:bravo:

I pray for the Stewart and Wagner family. I hope this lawsuit brings some sort of closure. It is about time we go after PP. These clinics are unsafe, foster a dangerous environment and lead to more violence in areas near a clinic.

These clinics have caused so much death, I am glad these families are going after such a evil organization. Arsons, terrorist attacks, bomb threats, when will the violence end?

Bravo? Really? Suing a company because some wacko that's not even slightly affiliated to them to them shot the place up is cause for a "bravo"? That has got to be the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard of.
 

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These clinics should foster a welcoming and friendly environment for women.

The reality is many of these clinics promote the exact opposite emotions - fear, danger, sadness, grief. Women should not be subjected to such dangerous conditions.

Oh yes, :roll: a company that inspires "fear, danger, sadness, and grief" is really going to get customers. :roll: Do you have any idea who stupid that sounds?
 

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Oh yes, :roll: a company that inspires "fear, danger, sadness, and grief" is really going to get customers. :roll: Do you have any idea who stupid that sounds?

Hi Kal' :2wave:

I do find one word that you used, fascinating.

"customers"

Are these really customers or desperate women/girls that feel they have no other options?
 

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Who are the terrorists though C.A? The true monsters are those killing babies and selling baby parts.

We need to abolish these gulags, not protect them however it would be appropriate that they be surrounded by barb wires.

And THIS is why you are saying "bravo" and other nonsense. You don't actually care about Stewart and Wagner family, you only care that PP is getting sued. You want PP gone and you'll go to any lengths to make it happen.
 

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I haven't flown anywhere in years, not since shortly after they set up those time-consuming and invasive security systems and the asshat rules turning flight attendants into junior gestapo agents. If I can't drive, I simply won't go unless it's an absolute emergency. Even then I might pick a train.

That's the problem with the gleeful argument of the OP. Make an already bad experience as problematic as possible; not to help prevent attacks, but rather to discourage more women into avoiding the process entirely. Leaving the options to either not abort, or resorting to less safe but more private alternatives (like coat hangers, falling down stairs, etc.)

Or perhaps using birth control, condoms, not having sex?
 

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Hi Kal' :2wave:

I do find one word that you used, fascinating.

"customers"

Are these really customers or desperate women/girls that feel they have no other options?

Do you really think that every woman out there are "desperate" and "feel they have no other options"?
 

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Do you really think that every woman out there are "desperate" and "feel they have no other options"?

Exactly the opposite. All these woman are strong and beautiful however PP tricks them into thinking an abortion is the best solution.

The abortion industry is funded on the death and misery of others.

I 100% support women however groups like PP want to control and suppress them.
 

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Hi Kal' :2wave:

I do find one word that you used, fascinating.

"customers"

Are these really customers or desperate women/girls that feel they have no other options?
You do realize that PP does a lot more than abortion, right?

I went to Colorodo Springs website and this is what I found.

Services Offered
Abortion Services
Birth Control
General Health Care
HIV Testing
Men's Health Care
Morning-After Pill (Emergency Contraception)
Pregnancy Testing & Services
STD Testing, Treatment & Vaccines
Women's Health Care
checkups when you have a reproductive/sexual health problem breast exams cervical cancer screening colposcopy cryotherapy hormone replacement therapy LEEP (treatment of abnormal pap) mammogram referrals menopause and midlife – testing and treatment Pap test urinary tract infections – testing and treatment vaginal infections – testing and treatment Other services we may provide include help with irregular periods or no periods, painful periods, painful sex, bleeding between periods, menstrual problems (premenstrual syndrome) - See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/h...3967-90210/womens-health#sthash.OuOTRciM.dpuf
- See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/h...ings-westside-3967-90210#sthash.OuOTRciM.dpuf
 

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Independent of the bias of your political opinion on the subject it does plead a debate about the level of security an institution should guarantee, if it knows the hostility it awakens.

Literally and without question, it only awakens hostility (violent hostility) in total and complete idiots.
 

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Literally and without question, it only awakens hostility (violent hostility) in total and complete idiots.

Who is the idiot in ideological squabble is always dependent on the idiot calling the other one a complete idiot.
 

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Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting victims file suit - CNN.com

:bravo:

I pray for the Stewart and Wagner family. I hope this lawsuit brings some sort of closure. It is about time we go after PP. These clinics are unsafe, foster a dangerous environment and lead to more violence in areas near a clinic.

These clinics have caused so much death, I am glad these families are going after such a evil organization. Arsons, terrorist attacks, bomb threats, when will the violence end?
I get the feeling that this lawsuit is politically motivated.
 
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