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Photocopies of Delay Indictments

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FinnMacCool said:
I can't way to see how the people on these forums try and defend him now. He's going down!
Gawd I hope so. I am so sick and tired of everyone calling him the "hammer." Remember, 11 years ago, the republicans claimed they were going to clean up the corruption that existed in the democratic congress. Can we say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
 

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Gawd I hope so. I am so sick and tired of everyone calling him the "hammer." Remember, 11 years ago, the republicans claimed they were going to clean up the corruption that existed in the democratic congress. Can we say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?

They did that. They just forgot to tell everyone they were going to take their place.........LOL :lol:
 

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BWG said:
They did that. They just forgot to tell everyone they were going to take their place.........LOL :lol:
Absolutely hysterical! So what does BWG stand for?
 

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galenrox said:
lol, I find it hillarious that those who prosecuted Clinton for lying about getting a blowjob on national TV are now going down.
DeLay gone for life!
Next up Frist!
Galenrox, what goes around, comes around. What I find hilarious is how arrogance is the kiss of death. Nixon was clearly going to win the presidential election in 1972. What the he|| was he thinking with Watergate? It's no different than the republicans NOW in Congress. They bragged about being the majority in the House, Senate, and White House and now look at them--they are struggling to keep their power, which I believe they will lose in 2008. Payback is he||, ain't it?
 

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He is guilty as charged
now pull the levers bush and reinstate him
thats how the courts are a mockery in America today
Smoke and mirrors and poof hes back in the saddle
 

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galenrox said:
lol, I find it hillarious that those who prosecuted Clinton for lying about getting a blowjob on national TV are now going down.
DeLay gone for life!
Next up Frist!
He wasn't prosecuted he copped a plea, and it wasn't for having sex, why do you repeat that fallacy. So this is payback time for you, Clinton should have been allowed to have done what he did? Then why not Delay, if you think it was OK for Clinton to break the law why not Delay?

And what is it exactly that the indictment accuses Delay of doing that was wrong? And quote from the indictment.
 

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Nothing will become of the first one, Delay is only mentioned on the last page and it was a stretch to get him there. It will be forgotten very fast.

The second one however will be interesting indeed. He is still innocent until proven guilty. If indeed he is guilty, he should burn for his crimes.
 

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He wasn't prosecuted he copped a plea, and it wasn't for having sex, why do you repeat that fallacy. So this is payback time for you, Clinton should have been allowed to have done what he did? Then why not Delay, if you think it was OK for Clinton to break the law why not Delay?

And what is it exactly that the indictment accuses Delay of doing that was wrong? And quote from the indictment.



galenrox said:
Alright, we know what actually happened, don't get your panties in a twist!
Why do you believe I wear panties and they are twisted?

Raises the question, what exactly did Clinton getting a blowjob have to do with Whitewater?
I thought you said "we" actually know what happened. Obviously you don't. One had nothing to do with the other.

And Delay was laundering money..........
You sound sure of that so like I asked before cite the part of the indictment that specifically says that he was doing that.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I've always wondered if Clinton might have lied to protect his privacy. just a thought.
Even if true, which it isn't, when did protecting your privacy give you the right to commit perjury in a federal courtroom, tamper with witnesses and obstruct justice denying a citizen their right to their day in court? Sexual harasment lawsuit ALWAYS involve someone's privacy, should we get rid of all the laws governing sexual harassment because someone accused of sexually harassing employees might have thier privacy distrubed? Paula Jones had the legal right to asked Clinton if he was engage in sexual activities with other subordinate employees, whether he gave them gifts and whether they recieved any special treatment. THAT's the LAW.

Now I don't know maybe you have some strange reason to want Bill Clinton to be able to get away with groping and harassing women especially women who work for him. I personally don't think he should be able to anymore than I think any employers should. Why do you believe he should have been able to break the law and obstruct justice in the matter?
 

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That might be true Stinger but should we honestly kick a man out of office just because he lied about having his **** sucked by the secretary? Thats just plain stupid.

Besides all presidents lied. Thats what they're there for.

OMG HOw did this turn back to CLinton? This is starting to get annoying. Every topic I'm in starts becoming an argument about Clinton. Sweet jesus he's not even president anymore. give it a rest.
 
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Originally Posted by Stinger
He wasn't prosecuted he copped a plea, and it wasn't for having sex, why do you repeat that fallacy. So this is payback time for you, Clinton should have been allowed to have done what he did? Then why not Delay, if you think it was OK for Clinton to break the law why not Delay?

And what is it exactly that the indictment accuses Delay of doing that was wrong? And quote from the indictment.


Why do you believe I wear panties and they are twisted?

I thought you said "we" actually know what happened. Obviously you don't. One had nothing to do with the other.

You sound sure of that so like I asked before cite the part of the indictment that specifically says that he was doing that.


galenrox said:
I obviously do, maybe you don't. Ken Starr was the independent council to investigate Whitewater,
No obviously you do not. Ken Star was independent council to investigate several items, one of which was Whitewater.

and somehow he got off into talking with Paula Jones,
No he didn't somehow get off on it. Clinton and Lewinsky attempt to get Linda Tripp to commit a felony, perjury and obstruction of justice. Tripp told the OIC that this was happening. The wired her and caught Lewinsky asking her in detail to do just that. Starr then took the evidence to Reno. Reno then said he should add it to his office since he was the only OIC operating. Starr didn't want the case but Reno assigned it to his office anyway.

and then he started getting into Clinton's sex life.
Well can you imagine how an investigation into someone's sexual behavior and sexual harassment and sexual assualt of subordinate employees would not? How would you investigate it with getting into it?

I know Clinton lied under oath, since he was adressing a grand jury when he said he never had "sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky".
And that he did not reward Lewinsky with special favors and attention and that he did not tamper with Betty Curry.

The fact is, it's probably a stretch with the money laundering, and of course, innocent until proven guilty, but if he's found guilty, it will be a blast watching you squirm!
Why would you want him to have done it? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if what is accused of happening didn't happen in the first place?

Or is you vindictiveness just to much to contain?

And about the panties, to quote Navy Pride "I call them as I see them"
Well if I were a girl and I were wearing panties that were in a wad then I would say to you that it's not polite to look up womens dressess.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you to cite the specific part of the indictment that accuses Delay of something.
 

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galenrox said:
So yeah, if he wasn't accused of anything, why did he step down as the 2nd most powerful republican in the house?
House rule, but not law - it is a requirement for the majority leader to step down if indited reglardless of guilt.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I'm sure he is guilty even if he isn't proven guilty. I'm hoping beyond hope though that he IS proven guilty.
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Enter through the curtains!...Don't be shy!!!....

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galenrox said:
Oh right, come on. You're the guys who pushed for a CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT banning gay marriage, and argument with absolutely zero logical support, you're the guys who used congress to pass laws trying to prove that a brain dead woman wasn't brain dead. It was your senate majority leader who diagnosed a patient after looking at her on TV. It was your prominent talk show hosts who preach of the evils of drugs while being addicted to them, and teach morals while telling their producers they want to **** them with falafels!
Wow!...we "guys" must be so horrible that there could be NO chance that we "guys" could ever POSSIBLY be in BOTH houses and the Presidency...I'd like to see how you see any of this as an on-topic discussion of my response to FinnMacCool's comments....

PS - Why'd you throw Rush in there?...Well documented on this forum that I think he's a douche....:confused:


galenrox said:
I mean, come the hell on dude!
Right, we don't know what DeLay did or did not do, but from what I know of DeLay, and have seen how he acts, and considering his history, and what has been made public about this case, it's definately a fair belief to think that DeLay did it. It would actually be illogical to assume he didn't.
To claim you know for sure is illogical, true, but it is different to say that they couldn't convince you that he didn't do anything. I can honestly say there is no way that they can convince me he did nothing, but they are yet to prove to me what he did, and whether what he did was actually illegal.

But yeah dude, he who is without sin man, come the hell on!
Oh you GOTTA explain this connection....

It's a fair belief to think that DeLay did it, based , at least, in part, by the way you've "seen how he acts"...

Please show me...I'm all stretched out on my Barca-lounger waiting for this one....:shock:
 

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galenrox said:
If you're indicted, I know.
Stinger was asking me where he was accused of anything, and I was using a sort of "proof is in the pudding" argument that he was obviously accused of something, but I'm tired and don't really want to read the whole indictments.
I'm asking you specifically what Earle is charging him with in the indictment, what is the specific passage. The indictment is not very long at all. I can't find what he is charged with doing, maybe you can. But that Earle has indicted him is in not way evidence he is guilty of anything, not with this prosecutor and his very vocal pronouncements that he is out to get Delay no matter what.
 

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Originally Posted by Stinger
He wasn't prosecuted he copped a plea, and it wasn't for having sex, why do you repeat that fallacy. So this is payback time for you, Clinton should have been allowed to have done what he did? Then why not Delay, if you think it was OK for Clinton to break the law why not Delay?

And what is it exactly that the indictment accuses Delay of doing that was wrong? And quote from the indictment.


Why do you believe I wear panties and they are twisted?

I thought you said "we" actually know what happened. Obviously you don't. One had nothing to do with the other.

You sound sure of that so like I asked before cite the part of the indictment that specifically says that he was doing that.


No obviously you do not. Ken Star was independent council to investigate several items, one of which was Whitewater.

No he didn't somehow get off on it. Clinton and Lewinsky attempt to get Linda Tripp to commit a felony, perjury and obstruction of justice. Tripp told the OIC that this was happening. The wired her and caught Lewinsky asking her in detail to do just that. Starr then took the evidence to Reno. Reno then said he should add it to his office since he was the only OIC operating. Starr didn't want the case but Reno assigned it to his office anyway.

Well can you imagine how an investigation into someone's sexual behavior and sexual harassment and sexual assualt of subordinate employees would not? How would you investigate it with getting into it?

And that he did not reward Lewinsky with special favors and attention and that he did not tamper with Betty Curry.

Why would you want him to have done it? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if what is accused of happening didn't happen in the first place?

Or is you vindictiveness just to much to contain?

Well if I were a girl and I were wearing panties that were in a wad then I would say to you that it's not polite to look up womens dressess.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you to cite the specific part of the indictment that accuses Delay of something.

galenrox said:
But in the end, what was he impeached for?
oh yeah, lying about getting his **** sucked.
Siggghhh, read the above again I do into detail. He was impeached for lying in a federal civil rights lawsuit about his relationships with subordinate employees. Now don't you think that when bosses are sued by employees for sexual harassment that the evidence of thier sexual relations with employees is important evidence? Should they be allowed to lie about it in court?

To be honest, I had no idea most of what else that went on, cause I was 14 years old at the time.
For someone interested in politics I would think you would have read so unbias'd books about what actually happened. If was certainly not as Hillary or Gene Lyons or the great left wing conspiricy painted it.

Considering that you wanted to bring down Clinton for anything he possibly could be,
Considering that you were only 14 at the time, didn't know me at all I find your statement without basis. What I wanted was a President who upheld the law and respected the office. Clinton did neither.
I'm assuming that you know more about it than me.
That is probably a good assumption.

What I know is he was actually indicted for perjury about lying about a blowjob, if I'm wrong about that, please let me know.
You are., He was not indicted he copped a plea. He was held in contempt of court for obstruction of justice, Judge Wright turning over the criminal prosecution to the OIC. His obstuction concerned his sexual relationship with a subordinate employee, his filing a false affidavit in court, his tampering with witnesses, his rewarding employees who do engage in sexual activity with him.

Being investigated about anything else is really irrelevant, since he was not indicted for anything else other than the blowjob, and that judge found him guilty of sexual harassment.
Again he wasn't indicted he copped a plea to avoid one. And the judge did not find him guilty of sexual harassment. She dismissed the case because Jones could not show that her employment had been harmed after Clinton's failed attempt to grop her and elict sexual favors from her. She had some evidence but not compelling evidence. The statue for sexual assualt had run out and Judge Wright said that was what she had a chance at, but it was too late. Later the laws were interpreted such that actual harm did not have to be shown, only the fear at the time that if the person being harassed didn't give in they would be harmed and that if other employees who give the sexual favors get rewards and special treatment then it is sexual harassment. Pretty much common sense. Should Clinton have been allowed to get away with his lying about it?

And I'm probably not going to read those indictments. DeLay had to step down since he was charged with a felony.
You should to see if you can find what he is charged with, and he is having to step down because he is a Republican, if he were a Democrat he would not. Why don't the Democrats have the same rule? How come the demanded he step down when they don't demand the same of their own?

If he's found guilty, it'll be great, if not, either he didn't do it or he covered his trail well enough, and considering he's one of the most powerful people in America, I wouldn't be suprised if he did.
Did what?

So yeah, if he wasn't accused of anything, why did he step down as the 2nd most powerful republican in the house?
Because a prosecutor got an indictment against him. Oh excuse got another one since the first one was falsely filed.
 

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galenrox said:
Right, we don't know what DeLay did or did not do, but from what I know of DeLay, and have seen how he acts, and considering his history, and what has been made public about this case, it's definately a fair belief to think that DeLay did it.
Did what? What is he specifically charged with doing?
 

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Did what? What is he specifically charged with doing?
er. . .topic?

I don't really understand how you can possibly still support him now. You must know that he did do something illegal. It's not really a very old story. DeLay is another corrupt politician and the politicians nowadays seem to all be full of it. Al Sharpton, for example, has very shady ties to mafia groups not to mention that he is racist.

AND STINGER I KNOW YOUR READING THIS: WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CLINTON AGAIN????!!!!!
 

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cnredd said:
cnredd grabs his tophat and microphone...

Get your tickets, people!...Step right up!!...

Never before has the world seen such foolhardyness and atrocious logic!...

Enter through the curtains!...Don't be shy!!!....

Ladies & Gentlemen!...I give to you....drum roll.....

The Amazing Left!

LOL, that's about the size of it, I mean just look at the original post on this, "and now.....the indictment's......oooooooooooh, ahhhhhhhhhhhh" This is like porn for these freaks, they must be all masturbating to the site of it, even as we speak.:rofl

Guess what, even if the guy is guilty, it does not offend me, or make me question my party at all. This goes on all the time, and on both sides of the aisle, Pelosi comes to mind. I challenge the Democrats to install the same rules that forced Delay to step down, until then, they just need to shut the hell up.:roll:
 
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