Philippines: army takes on Muslim separatists who want to form Islamic state

[VanceMack]

If you wish to claim any observation based on facts as bigotry, then be my guest. It's safer for you to adopt this attitude then.

Pretty comical that you think that YOU being a bigot is a reflection on those that dont take you seriously. :lamo

 

[Medusa]

Many people have been intimidated and have become reluctant to state the obvious. Academic's warning on Muslims causes stir - National - theage.com.au

l am not stupid enough to criticize teh western authorities for banning teh muslims(or islamists ) from applying their own sharia rules in western countries but sometimes l need to correct some moronic statements



from the link

"n France, which has the highest proportion of Muslims in Europe at about 10 per cent, it was already too late, he said. There were regions even the police were scared to enter, and militant Muslims were changing the country's political and cultural fabric, and demanding anti-Semitic and anti-Israel policies.

"French people say they are strangers in their own country. This is a point of no return. If you are on a collision course, what can you do? You can't put them all in prison, and anyway they are not all violent. You can't send them all back. You are really in trouble. It's irreversible."



they shouldnt complain about it

you know the reason,but l know you wont tell

 

[DDD]

Just mind generalizations in this debate. All people who believe Islam and all Turks are not trouble. Some countries capitalize in a different religion from the nearby area so as to strengthen national identities. See religion is used here for political agendas.

But having said that I cannot stand how western values and tolerance are at odds with Islam and their enforcers. It is modern secular Western values vs medieval religious values with some countries and some people within them.

 

[Grant]

l am not stupid enough to criticize teh western authorities for banning teh muslims(or islamists ) from applying their own sharia rules in western countries but sometimes l need to correct some moronic statements

Where is the correction?

 

[Medusa]

Where is the correction?

l can expect such questions from you

 

[Grant]

Just mind generalizations in this debate. All people who believe Islam and all Turks are not trouble. Some countries capitalize in a different religion from the nearby area so as to strengthen national identities. See religion is used here for political agendas.

But having said that I cannot stand how western values and tolerance are at odds with Islam and their enforcers. It is modern secular Western values vs medieval religious values with some countries and some people within them.

Perhaps Western values are at odds with Islam because of Muslims murdering Gays, little girls, adulteresses, daughters over 'honor', Christians, Jews, atheists, women waiting at bus stops, people on vacation or out enjoying a pizza with their friends, and other Muslims.

Any one of these reasons would be sufficient for some mistrust.

 

[Grant]

l can expect such questions from you

You can expect such a question from anyone if you say you'll correct something and then don't.

 

[DDD]

Perhaps Western values are at odds with Islam because of Muslims murdering Gays, little girls, adulteresses, daughters over 'honor', Christians, Jews, atheists, women waiting at bus stops, people on vacation or out enjoying a pizza with their friends, and other Muslims.

Any one of these reasons would be sufficient for some mistrust.

It is true that some Muslims may do that. I too believe that those are just causes for mistrust. But I presented caution to generalizations?

 

[Medusa]

It is true that some Muslims may do that. I too believe that those are just causes for mistrust. But I presented caution to generalizations?

because he wants to ignore the crimes commited against muslims ,muslim countries

algeria for instance

hehe .)

 

[DDD]

because he wants to ignore the crimes commited against muslims ,muslim countries

algeria for instance

hehe .)

I just do not want people to generalize hate against anything related to Muslims. I believe that Islam uses politics to influence its agenda for the followers have not been used to separate religion from the government yet. There are other countries whom also do not separate at all (or enough) religion from the government.

But sometimes the reverse is the case. Here for instance politics get to use religion to achieve political agenda's. Plus we are shallow Muslim religious. I am not religious at all!

If one were to follow such generalizations then they would by mistake posit us with freaking Jihadi's or Al-Qaeda! Hence I presented some caution over generalizations.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Muslims have not been around for the past 20 centuries and Jews were in the Middle East first.

Of course the Europeans have committed incredible atrocities and prejudices against the Jewish people, and still do, but the discussion is what's been going on in the modern era. The Muslim, in many areas of the world, have become to non-Muslims what Nazis were to the Jews.

Either way, history shows that from the very beginning of Islam, Jews - though Muslims don't like them - have been safer among Muslims than among 'Christians'. The litany of massacres of Jews by 'Christians' clearly proves this.

Even today, there's many Jews in Islamic countries. If you'll actually study what the Muslims hate, it's not Jews so much as it is Zionists - and there's a significant difference between the two.

And no, Muslims are NOT to non-Muslims what Nazis were to the Jews - that's just you blowing things way out of proportion. Tell you what - make up a list of genocides of non-Muslims by Muslims, and THEN try to use that to back up your claim.

 

[Medusa]

Either way, history shows that from the very beginning of Islam, Jews - though Muslims don't like them - have been safer among Muslims than among 'Christians'. The litany of massacres of Jews by 'Christians' clearly proves this.

Even today, there's many Jews in Islamic countries. If you'll actually study what the Muslims hate, it's not Jews so much as it is Zionists - and there's a significant difference between the two.

And no, Muslims are NOT to non-Muslims what Nazis were to the Jews - that's just you blowing things way out of proportion. Tell you what - make up a list of genocides of non-Muslims by Muslims, and THEN try to use that to back up your claim.

thx.........

 

[Rainman05]

Either way, history shows that from the very beginning of Islam, Jews - though Muslims don't like them - have been safer among Muslims than among 'Christians'. The litany of massacres of Jews by 'Christians' clearly proves this.

Even today, there's many Jews in Islamic countries. If you'll actually study what the Muslims hate, it's not Jews so much as it is Zionists - and there's a significant difference between the two.

And no, Muslims are NOT to non-Muslims what Nazis were to the Jews - that's just you blowing things way out of proportion. Tell you what - make up a list of genocides of non-Muslims by Muslims, and THEN try to use that to back up your claim.

~80mil hindus killed by islamists in India over a period of 500 years from the XIth century to the XVIth century.

That's more casualties than both world wars, war crimes included.

And this is just one. You want me to give you an estimate of the millions killed in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans during the islamic conquest and occuption under the ottomans?
Because I can do that you know.

 

[Grant]

It is true that some Muslims may do that. I too believe that those are just causes for mistrust. But I presented caution to generalizations?

Yes. i think most of us understand by now that not all Muslims are terrorists. But the overwhelming number of international terrorists have been Muslims.

 

[Grant]

Either way, history shows that from the very beginning of Islam, Jews - though Muslims don't like them - have been safer among Muslims than among 'Christians'. The litany of massacres of Jews by 'Christians' clearly proves this.

No doubt that there have been non Muslims who have treated Jews rather badly, the most infamous being the National Socialists of Germany. However we have to look at the modern era and what is happening now.

Even today, there's many Jews in Islamic countries. If you'll actually study what the Muslims hate, it's not Jews so much as it is Zionists - and there's a significant difference between the two.

There are ever fewer Jews in Muslim countries. There has been an exodus.

And no, Muslims are NOT to non-Muslims what Nazis were to the Jews - that's just you blowing things way out of proportion.

Maybe you haven't heard of all the Islamic attacks on Jews, starting with the Munich Olympics, but it has been no secret in most international media. No doubt there would be more atrocities taking place if Muslims were more familiar with modern technology.

Tell you what - make up a list of genocides of non-Muslims by Muslims, and THEN try to use that to back up your claim.

No problem. List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They may have missed some.

 

[Grant]

~80mil hindus killed by islamists in India over a period of 500 years from the XIth century to the XVIth century.

That's more casualties than both world wars, war crimes included.

And this is just one. You want me to give you an estimate of the millions killed in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans during the islamic conquest and occuption under the ottomans?
Because I can do that you know.

Just what they have done to children should get them permanent recognition among the most heinous of people ever to walk the earth.

Muslim Attack on Kindergarten Thwarted in Azerbaijan - Atlas Shrugs

 

[Rainman05]

Just what they have done to children should get them permanent recognition among the most heinous of people ever to walk the earth.

Muslim Attack on Kindergarten Thwarted in Azerbaijan - Atlas Shrugs

Srsly dude, next time you post something with such graphical pictures do warn people about it.

I know fully well of that incident... and such things happen every week in pakistan.

 

[Grant]

Srsly dude, next time you post something with such graphical pictures do warn people about it.

I know fully well of that incident... and such things happen every week in pakistan.

You're right. My apologies.

But sometimes we have to bring home the realization that these people, these children, are more than just headlines. And it's also a wake-up call for those who chose to defend Muslims with the idea that they were all very well behaved a few centuries ago..

 

[Glen Contrarian]

~80mil hindus killed by islamists in India over a period of 500 years from the XIth century to the XVIth century.

That's more casualties than both world wars, war crimes included.

And this is just one. You want me to give you an estimate of the millions killed in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans during the islamic conquest and occuption under the ottomans?
Because I can do that you know.

1. Care to show me a reference for that 80 million Hindus killed by Islamists? Also, we're not talking about wars (and I'm pretty sure that's what you're referring to) - we're talking about genocides. I REALLY want to see your reference.

2. There's the genocide against the Armenians under the Ottomans, true - but you need to look at both sides of the coin when it comes to the Balkans - look up the Ustashe genocide sometime. The Catholic Ustashe (it's spelled different ways) regime committed genocide against Jews and Muslims.

 

[Kobie]

I believe that General BlackJack Pershing authored the seminal work on dealing with this problem in the Philippines.

I'm pretty sure the Pershing story (bullets soaked in pig's blood), while it provides good masturbatory fodder out there for the "kill all the Muslims" crowd, isn't actually true.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

No doubt that there have been non Muslims who have treated Jews rather badly, the most infamous being the National Socialists of Germany. However we have to look at the modern era and what is happening now.

Taking into account what has happened throughout history gives a real sense of perspective that is impossible to gain when one thinks only of the here and now.

There are ever fewer Jews in Muslim countries. There has been an exodus.

The Jews also didn't have a Jewish homeland at any time in all Islamic history to where they could go. Furthermore, immigration to the free democracies of the West is much easier now than before...and some of the free democracies are far safer for Jews than they once were.

Maybe you haven't heard of all the Islamic attacks on Jews, starting with the Munich Olympics, but it has been no secret in most international media. No doubt there would be more atrocities taking place if Muslims were more familiar with modern technology.

Maybe you haven't heard about the "twice-promised land" - Google it sometime. It's a very interesting story...and if you track it down, you'll find that the roots of Islamic terrorism lay not so much in anyone's religion, but more on Western colonization of the Middle East, and on our continuing meddling in their affairs - including forcible regime change - after they become their own nations.

No problem. List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They may have missed some.

And if you add up all the deaths in those terrorist attacks, it won't even come close to the number of Muslims killed in the Catholic Ustashe genocide during WWII. I doubt your list would even equal the total of Muslims killed in the (much smaller) genocide in the same area in the early 1990's.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Taking into account what has happened throughout history gives a real sense of perspective that is impossible to gain when one thinks only of the here and now.



The Jews also didn't have a Jewish homeland at any time in all Islamic history to where they could go. Furthermore, immigration to the free democracies of the West is much easier now than before...and some of the free democracies are far safer for Jews than they once were.



Maybe you haven't heard about the "twice-promised land" - Google it sometime. It's a very interesting story...and if you track it down, you'll find that the roots of Islamic terrorism lay not so much in anyone's religion, but more on Western colonization of the Middle East, and on our continuing meddling in their affairs - including forcible regime change - after they become their own nations.



And if you add up all the deaths in those terrorist attacks, it won't even come close to the number of Muslims killed in the Catholic Ustashe genocide during WWII. I doubt your list would even equal the total of Muslims killed in the (much smaller) genocide in the same area in the early 1990's.

not to mention the blood bath that were the crusades.

 

[Rainman05]

1. Care to show me a reference for that 80 million Hindus killed by Islamists? Also, we're not talking about wars (and I'm pretty sure that's what you're referring to) - we're talking about genocides. I REALLY want to see your reference.

2. There's the genocide against the Armenians under the Ottomans, true - but you need to look at both sides of the coin when it comes to the Balkans - look up the Ustashe genocide sometime. The Catholic Ustashe (it's spelled different ways) regime committed genocide against Jews and Muslims.

1. Muslim genocide of hindus in India (a must read) :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

How Islam Spread in India | Lost Islamic History

Alternatively, you can read some history books about India. India was one of the first tagets for the jihad that quickly took so much territory. In the early VIIth century you already had mosques built on the shores of India. This was because India was one of the main targets of the arabic slave trade. I.e, they would take africans and send them as slaves to India. It is the reason why the southern parts of india, the population is significantly more darker skinned than the northern indians.

2. Look at both sides of the coin in the Balkans? You mean the side where the ottomans demanded blood tribute (children) from all the people they oppressed to be brainwashed into warriors.... and the other side of the coin is when they would send these warriors to oppress their own people? These 2 sides of the coin?

You better start making some proper commentaries instead of just making apologies and ammends on the behalf of a foul ideology, buddy boy. Or else this conversation is over. I'm not here to educate you on basic stuff.

 

[RDS]

20% here are muslims and we are surrounded by muslim countries including the largest muslim country which is Indonesia with a population of 220 million. We live in peace and harmony. Bigotry will not be tolerated.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

20% here are muslims and we are surrounded by muslim countries including the largest muslim country which is Indonesia with a population of 220 million. We live in peace and harmony. Bigotry will not be tolerated.

Singapore is a beautiful, beautiful city - it was one of my favorite ports of call. I just wish it wasn't so hot there!