Pfizer tells Canada it will not receive any Covid-19 vaccine doses next week

[Metric Mouse]

They are retooling to be able to produce significantly more post retooling.

Good! Seems to be taking awhile. People are dying. Hopefully they get it going.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Pfizer is a private company with contractual obligations.

Biden isn’t a dictator.

Ok? He absolutely can direct where U.s. vaccine supplies are shipped one Pfizer delivers them to the United States.

 

[SMTA]

Pfizer tells Canada it will not receive any Covid-19 vaccine doses next week | CNN

Frustration visibly boiled over with some Canadian leaders Tuesday as Pfizer told the country that it would not receive any vaccine doses next week due to the continuing manufacturing disruptions at its facility in Belgium.

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I can't imagine Pfizer not keeping their production facilities running none stop. Incredible.



Hopefully he flip flops on this selfish statement.

Biden is looking to take care of Americans first, as he should.
Read and understand before you post.

 

[Callen]

No, but he could spare a bit to help out Canada in their time of need.

I totally disagree. Each country has their own contract with Pfizer . The US is not flush with the vaccine, they are having supply issues too . As a Canadian I have no expectation that the US should send any to Canada at this juncture.

 

[Threegoofs]

Ok? He absolutely can direct where U.s. vaccine supplies are shipped one Pfizer delivers them to the United States.

Well, that would lead to less vaccine delivered to the US, since Pfizer can’t fulfill any extra orders for the next 6 months.

And I can guarantee if there are production blips, the US will be getting shorted soon too.

 

[snakestretcher]

So which Canadian Pharma company developed the vaccine?

Why are you here, wasting space?

 

[snakestretcher]

We need to thank the American company with the German subsidiary for saving humanity. Thank GOD for capitalistic America showing the way.

Pfizer Germany developed it in Germany and paid for it with German funds. America had nothing to do with it.

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Trump also threatened to withhold the vaccine from New York over Gov. Andrew Cuomo's critical comments.

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Donald Trump cannot take credit for the vaccines. The record shows immigrants and immigrant-led companies created the vaccines.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

Why is it selfish? More people get Covid in the US in a half hour than get it in Canada in a day.

Yesterday, 4,679 people in Canada caught COVID-19 and so did 185,805 people in the US. Your ratio is close.

Considering that Canada has 0.1143 times the population you would expect that 21,219 Canadians per day would catch COVID-19. Ever wonder why they aren't catching COVID-19 as fast as they "should"?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Gee, I wonder why Canada couldn't develop their own vaccine, seeing that socialized medicine is so superior. Oh wait. Socialists don't do R & D.

Was it a Socialist or a Capitalist country that put the first satellite into orbit?

PS - You are still 2.50466% correct on your "Expert" prediction of the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM number of US deaths from COVID-19 - the prediction that was so accurate that you said that you should be addressed as "Doctor Mashmont".

PPS - Did you know that BOTH Germany and the UK are "socialist" countries? Did you know that the Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany and NOT in the United States of America? Did you know that the AstraZeneca was developed in the UK and NOT in the United States of America?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Your claim was socialised countries don't do R&D and I proved they do.
I'm sure there's plenty of R&D going on in Canada about making vaccines.

I suspect that, if you examine the logic behind his statement closely you will find that he believes that his answer is less wrong than some other wrong answer and therefore it is more right than one that is actually correct.

 

[Gaius46]

Yesterday, 4,679 people in Canada caught COVID-19 and so did 185,805 people in the US. Your ratio is close.

Considering that Canada has 0.1143 times the population you would expect that 21,219 Canadians per day would catch COVID-19. Ever wonder why they aren't catching COVID-19 as fast as they "should"?

I should’ve factored in the population differential but in my defense it was 4:30am and the first cup of coffee was yet to be drunk.

I don’t have to wonder. A lot of people here are idiots doing idiotic things relative to the pandemic.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't think so.

But they are also woefully behind the rate of vaccinations in the United States.

Yep, under one half the number of vaccinations per capita that the US is administering (which is just over half the number that the UK is administering).

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And under half the daily rate of vaccination that the US in achieving (which is just over half the rate that the UK is achieving).

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Of course a person picked at random in Canada has only 38.88% of the chance of dying from COVID-19 than a person picked at random in the US has (or 34.93% of the chance that a person picked at random in the UK has).

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[TU Curmudgeon]

Biden can divert some of the vaccine shipping this week or next week to Canada. He's already claimed he would not hold any vaccine back and would release all doses, a continuation of the Trump administration's policies.

I doubt Biden will ship any vaccines to anywhere but the United States in the near future, but I hope that he is more generous and caring than his officials predict.

IF Mr. Biden does offer to send some vaccine to Canada, I hope that he does so privately (and unofficially) because if he does so publicly (and officially) it would be very difficult for the Canadian government to refuse it (and would NOT be well received by the American people).

IF Mr. Biden makes a private offer to send some vaccine to Canada, I rather expect that the offer will be declined (with heartfelt thanks) because, quite frankly, the US needs it more than Canada does.

 

[Grand Mal]

Yesterday, 4,679 people in Canada caught COVID-19 and so did 185,805 people in the US. Your ratio is close.

Considering that Canada has 0.1143 times the population you would expect that 21,219 Canadians per day would catch COVID-19. Ever wonder why they aren't catching COVID-19 as fast as they "should"?

Hey, back off. When making comparisons like that you don't chose the closest nation culturally and geographically, you pick a country thousands of miles away, across oceans, with completely different social demographics, who is doing worse than the USA.

 

[Allan]

I don't think so.

But they are also woefully behind the rate of vaccinations in the United States.

From what I can see online the US rate is 3.37% and Canada is 1.8%. Expect that to ramp up in both countries as suppliers come online with their vaccines.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Pfizer Germany developed it in Germany and paid for it with German funds. America had nothing to do with it.

Trump Falsely Claims Credit For Pfizer Vaccine, Though Company Did Not Take Government Funds

Trump also threatened to withhold the vaccine from New York over Gov. Andrew Cuomo's critical comments.

www.forbes.com

Trump Takes Credit For Vaccine Created By Others, Including Immigrants

Donald Trump cannot take credit for the vaccines. The record shows immigrants and immigrant-led companies created the vaccines.

www.forbes.com

WTF does the "immigrants" point have to do with anything?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Well, that would lead to less vaccine delivered to the US, since Pfizer can’t fulfill any extra orders for the next 6 months.

And I can guarantee if there are production blips, the US will be getting shorted soon too.

The production blips are occurring in Blegium, and not the United States.

And yes, sharing resources would mean a few less doses for the United States for a short time... that's what is so generous about it.

 

[Metric Mouse]

From what I can see online the US rate is 3.37% and Canada is 1.8%. Expect that to ramp up in both countries as suppliers come online with their vaccines.

Yes, Canada is about half the rate of the United States. And of such tiny size, a few doses for their most vulnerable would be a generous helping hand.

 

[Metric Mouse]

IF Mr. Biden does offer to send some vaccine to Canada, I hope that he does so privately (and unofficially) because if he does so publicly (and officially) it would be very difficult for the Canadian government to refuse it (and would NOT be well received by the American people).

IF Mr. Biden makes a private offer to send some vaccine to Canada, I rather expect that the offer will be declined (with heartfelt thanks) because, quite frankly, the US needs it more than Canada does.

That's why it should be public; Canada needs it much worse than the USA, their vaccination rate is far below that of the United States, and they will fall further behind if they continue to face shortages from Pfizer. It would be a powerful reminder that we are all in this together, and a repudiation of the previous administration's "America First" policies.

Again. I don't expect Biden to actually do something so powerful and helpful and distinct from the previous administration's response, but I could hope.

 

[Allan]

Yes, Canada is about half the rate of the United States. And of such tiny size, a few doses for their most vulnerable would be a generous helping hand.

That's very generous of you to feel that way. The government here has contracts for I think 5 times the doses we need. (They took into consideration that some vaccines might not work out). The contracts are directly with the manufacturers and the US government can't interfere with those even when they come from US companies.

Early in this pandemic Trump tried to stop 3M from sending up N95s that were under contract. 3M to their credit stuck to the contract terms and shipped the masks. It would have been a disaster for our healthcare workers if they hadn't done that.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Yep, under one half the number of vaccinations per capita that the US is administering (which is just over half the number that the UK is administering).

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And under half the daily rate of vaccination that the US in achieving (which is just over half the rate that the UK is achieving).

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Of course a person picked at random in Canada has only 38.88% of the chance of dying from COVID-19 than a person picked at random in the US has (or 34.93% of the chance that a person picked at random in the UK has).

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Yep. Hopefully Canada will catch up to other developed countries in the near future.

 

[Metric Mouse]

That's very generous of you to feel that way. The government here has contracts for I think 5 times the doses we need. (They took into consideration that some vaccines might not work out). The contracts are directly with the manufacturers and the US government can't interfere with those even when they come from US companies.

Early in this pandemic Trump tried to stop 3M from sending up N95s that were under contract. 3M to their credit stuck to the contract terms and shipped the masks. It would have been a disaster for our healthcare workers if they hadn't done that.

I saw that Canada had contracted several times the number of vaccines it needs. Hopefully they share with other countries in the future as well.

 

[Allan]

I saw that Canada had contracted several times the number of vaccines it needs. Hopefully they share with other countries in the future as well.

We have been directly criticized as one of a group of wealthy countries that has agreements for more than its share to the detriment of poorer nations. That needs to be sorted asap.

 

[Evilroddy]

Pfizer is both stuck with a retooling shutdown in Belgium and is playing politics with human lives as the ante in a high stakes bluff. It has been in negotiations with the Goverment of Canada, which have not gone well for the company, and the thinking by some in Canada is that they are allegedly sending a message to the Trudeau Government. So capitalism may be the problem, not the solution as others claim, if this line of reasoning turns out to be even partially true.

I would prefer it if Canada could take delivery of the Astra-Zeneca/Oxford Uni vaccine which, as a more traditional type of vaccine (not an mRNA vaccine), would be more to my liking. I'm not really keen about being a guinea pig for a transnational corporation which is allegedly trying to extort preferential tax treatment from a government it signed a contract with to provide a vaccine, in the middle of a global pandemic.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Hey, back off. When making comparisons like that you don't chose the closest nation culturally and geographically, you pick a country thousands of miles away, across oceans, with completely different social demographics, who is doing worse than the USA.

I know. The proper way to do those sorts of comparisons is sort of like how the fellow who finished 7th in a 10 man race bragging about how much better he did that the one legged blind fellow who finished 9th.