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Peter Orszag's NYT Column: One Nation, Two Deficits

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A few snippets from Orztag's op-ed piece are below:


Read the rest of the article and let's discuss.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/opinion/07orszag.html?_r=1
 
You were Johnny on the spot. But I would claim that this is a political column not an economic one. It basically proposes a compromise, a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts to stimulate demand while recognizing that America cannot afford these tax cuts in the long term.
 
You want tax cuts to stimulate demand but not on the rich would means less capital investment. You basically want the people to demand more goods without the ability for companies to invest in their production to make those goods. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
 

There are numerous examples of economic (and company) growth during times of higher taxation.
 
Given that the economy grew during eras with higher tax rates, it should be assumed that companies are quite capable of growth even with higher taxation.

That's not an argument for why we should do that, especially with an economy that's already down. Don't forget that there was a much higher savings rate in the past as well, which is important for overall growth of an economy.
 
That's not an argument for why we should do that, especially with an economy that's already down. Don't forget that there was a much higher savings rate in the past as well, which is important for overall growth of an economy.

Why we should do it is another argument, I am stating that it is possible.

My understanding of your post is that you state companies would love the ability to invest if we increase taxes. I could think of no historical example of this happening.
 
That's not an argument for why we should do that, especially with an economy that's already down. Don't forget that there was a much higher savings rate in the past as well, which is important for overall growth of an economy.

In the past we did not have a massive trade deficit. A lot of our "savings" will come from foreign countries. You must also understand the economy is already producing below its potential output because of an aggregate demand shock.
 
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You want tax cuts to stimulate demand but not on the rich would means less capital investment.

Huh?

You basically want the people to demand more goods without the ability for companies to invest in their production to make those goods. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

I find this comment to be particularly interesting! So lets assume your argument, more demand than productive capacity to meet the demand (never mind that it is bull**** considering the current reality).

What is the end result?

Hint: The detail is in your basic IS/LM model

With this in mind, how can the "lower taxes" lot justify their comments without assuming (incorrectly) increased supply will lead to increased demand (in the short run)?
 
In the past we did not have a massive trade deficit. A lot of our "savings" will come from foreign countries. You must also understand the economy is already producing below its potential output because of an aggregate demand shock.

I think most people would say this recession was caused by a credit shock versus the traditional demand shock. That is why this recession is more similar to the 1930's than other recessions.
 

So when people produce more (and hence earn more), they don't demand more? What a crazy world that would be.
 
You must also understand the economy is already producing below its potential output because of an aggregate demand shock.

Aggregate demand? Or because we have not allowed production to shift to where it is most desirable?

I don't want this to turn into a debate about why looking at aggregates doesn't reveal useful information because that information is far too easy to find.
 
My understanding of your post is that you state companies would love the ability to invest if we increase taxes. I could think of no historical example of this happening.

It's just logic. Less money to invest means less investment, and vice versa.
 
So when people produce more (and hence earn more), they don't demand more? What a crazy world that would be.

It is pretty simple really, at least the basic idea. Other peoples spending is your income.
 

Serisously, I am not informed enough to answer such questions. I am not a phd in economics who has developed microfoundations for models of the economy in response to the lucas critique. But I can tell you that it is counter-intutive to think that production just needs to shift to the desirable level of 9% unemployment.
 
It is pretty simple really, at least the basic idea. Other peoples spending is your income.

And your income is what you produce. Produce more, more income. Presumably, you would want what other people spend to represent some actual wealth that they have created (especially in a barter economy model).
 
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My critique isn't exactly the Lucas Critique, because I don't see raising aggregate demand as ever being the solution to a recession. Simply raising aggregate demand helps only those who are hurting and relatively hurts those who are succeeding when compared to a situation where you didn't raise aggregate demand. Furthermore, this aggregate demand analysis ignores the simple question of why aggregate demand has fallen.
 
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