Pepper spray jury rules against Nichols

[Lord of Planar]

Pepper spray jury rules against Nichols

Just saw a blip on this in the local news. I'm glad she didn't win her lawsuit. Most of occupy Portland was pretty calm. In fact, mayor Sam Adams openly walked among and talked with the protesters in one location. When people violate the free movement of others, I'm OK with pepperspray.

A seven-person jury decided Liz Nichols’ rights were not violated when she was pepper-sprayed in the mouth during an Occupy Portland protest in November 2011.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Pepper spray jury rules against Nichols

Just saw a blip on this in the local news. I'm glad she didn't win her lawsuit. Most of occupy Portland was pretty calm. In fact, mayor Sam Adams openly walked among and talked with the protesters in one location. When people violate the free movement of others, I'm OK with pepperspray.

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Maybe if she would have shut her big f**** mouth she wouldn't have got pepper spray in it.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

This is pretty disgusting. I once thought we had freedom of speech and the right to protest and assemble. But apparently we dont. I find it hugely hypocritically that we condemn actions like this overseas but when our people do it its "ehh shrug of the sholder". What bull**** what this is.
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[Lord of Planar]

This is pretty disgusting. I once thought we had freedom of speech and the right to protest and assemble. But apparently we dont. I find it hugely hypocritically that we condemn actions like this overseas but when our people do it its "ehh shrug of the sholder". What bull**** what this is.
Arab Spring, American Autumn (I WILL NOT MOVE: A Short Film) - YouTube

These protesters were blocking the entrance to a bank, which other free people wanted to enter.

Do protesters rights supersede the rest of the US citizens?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

These protesters were blocking the entrance to a bank, which other free people wanted to enter.

Do protesters rights supersede the rest of the US citizens?

Its not about her actions if they were blocking an entrance. Its about was it or was it not excessive force? I fail to see how this was not excessive force.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Its not about her actions if they were blocking an entrance. Its about was it or was it not excessive force? I fail to see how this was not excessive force.

Well, the justice system disagrees with you and agrees with me.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Its not about her actions if they were blocking an entrance. Its about was it or was it not excessive force? I fail to see how this was not excessive force.

Pepper spray is minimum force. What did you want the cops to do, buy her dinner?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Police officer named in excessive force suit says she felt 'under attack' by Occupy Portland protesters

"We were under attack by the crowd," said Officer Doris Paisley. "There were projectiles that day."

Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for anyone who is part of a mob, that violates other people's rights.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Pepper spray is minimum force. What did you want the cops to do, buy her dinner?

Maybe they want them to use lethal force, so they have more to complain about...

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Seriously I can't think of anything less agressive than pepper spray.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Seriously I can't think of anything less agressive than pepper spray.

I agree.

What would the alternate solution be for crowd control?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I agree.

What would the alternate solution be for crowd control?

Let them participate in their rights to assemble.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Let them participate in their rights to assemble.

OK, so how do you allow a free path to patrons of a business to traverse, unmolested? Or at least walk to a destination free of fear?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

OK, so how do you allow a free path to patrons of a business to traverse, unmolested? Or at least walk to a destination free of fear?

She was on a public space using her rights to voice her opinion in a public space.

 

[Lord of Planar]

She was on a public space using her rights to voice her opinion in a public space.

You didn't answer the question.

How about a different one.

Why does her right to block a path meant for moment, supersede a person's right who wants to use that path to move on?

 

[sawyerloggingon]

She was on a public space using her rights to voice her opinion in a public space.

I don't mean to gang up on you with planar but really, if someone has been deemed to be breaking the law what milder way of control is their than pepper spray?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

You didn't answer the question.

How about a different one.

Why does her right to block a path meant for moment, supersede a person who wants to use that path to move on?

So in essence "blocking a path" is when a group of protesters is big? Big enough when they march they are on the street and take up the whole space? So when a group of people all use their rights and combine their force and march on a public space they then become "blocking their path" just because they are a big protest?

 

[sawyerloggingon]

So in essence "blocking a path" is when a group of protesters is big? Big enough when they march they are on the street and take up the whole space? So when a group of people all use their rights and combine their force and march on a public space they then become "blocking their path" just because they are a big protest?

This threads about the use of pepper spray.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So in essence "blocking a path" is when a group of protesters is big? Big enough when they march they are on the street and take up the whole space? So when a group of people all use their rights and combine their force and march on a public space they then become "blocking their path" just because they are a big protest?

They were on a public sidewalk, also on the street, and not marching. They were intentionally blocking the access to the bank.

 

[Mason66]

Seriously I can't think of anything less agressive than pepper spray.

Air freshener?

 

[Mason66]

So in essence "blocking a path" is when a group of protesters is big? Big enough when they march they are on the street and take up the whole space? So when a group of people all use their rights and combine their force and march on a public space they then become "blocking their path" just because they are a big protest?

In that case if they are asked to move and they don't then they are violating the rights of others.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Air freshener?

LOL...

I once turned a garden hose on a drunk. He followed my daughter home, and was almost passed out in a lawnchair in my yard. He ended up in the squad car soaking wet.

 

[Papa bull]

So in essence "blocking a path" is when a group of protesters is big? Big enough when they march they are on the street and take up the whole space? So when a group of people all use their rights and combine their force and march on a public space they then become "blocking their path" just because they are a big protest?

If a crowd blocks the entrance to a business and the police tell them to move and they don't because their idea of "freedom of speech" is blocking other people from their freedoms, then the police encourage them to move in other ways since asking nicely didn't work. Pepper spray is an excellent way to motivate people to move when they're too stubborn to co-operate and do the right thing on their own.

If they were in China, they'd have been run over by tanks. If they were in the Middle East, they would have been shot. But they're here in the United States and all they got was a dose of the same stuff I like to put on my eggs in the morning.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Air freshener?

Not FDA approved for a direct spray in the mouth, now you are talking a REAL lawsuit!:lol:

 

[Mason66]

Not FDA approved for a direct spray in the mouth, now you are talking a REAL lawsuit!:lol:

Even if it is pineapple scented?