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Pentagon Releases Video of Plane Hitting Pentagon (1 Viewer)

Donkey1499 said:
So if truth is crap then you're a lost soul. I can't help you there.

The engines went inside the building and helped to propel the plane further in. The wings were folded backwards. Study crash physics and maybe you'll understand how it's done.
If the wings folded backward, there surely would have been some wing remnants outside of the building, right?
Do you study crash physics, or was it just exciting for you to say that?
 
::Major_Baker:: said:
If the wings folded backward, there surely would have been some wing remnants outside of the building, right?
Do you study crash physics, or was it just exciting for you to say that?

The wings wouldn't be left outside. They were traveling at the same rate of speed as the planes body. It's like squeezing a maple leaf thru a funnel. The 'wings' will fold back, but still travel with the central body. Essentially, the Pentagon held the plane together. It acted like a funnel and squeezed the plane together, horizontally and vertically. Now if the plane had wings that just went perpendicular to the body (like this: +) then maybe the wings would breakoff, or leave vertical gashes in the wall; but the wings of this particular plane were angular (like this: ^) to make the plane aerodynamic. Now, since they were swept back, they'd just continue to pinch in with the plane and not break off completely.
 
Donkey1499 said:
The wings wouldn't be left outside. They were traveling at the same rate of speed as the planes body. It's like squeezing a maple leaf thru a funnel. The 'wings' will fold back, but still travel with the central body. Essentially, the Pentagon held the plane together. It acted like a funnel and squeezed the plane together, horizontally and vertically. Now if the plane had wings that just went perpendicular to the body (like this: +) then maybe the wings would breakoff, or leave vertical gashes in the wall; but the wings of this particular plane were angular (like this: ^) to make the plane aerodynamic. Now, since they were swept back, they'd just continue to pinch in with the plane and not break off completely.

No, not true. The velocity of a plane going that fast means that the wings would rip off the body when impacting the pentagon. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you would know that if a wing strikes a wall and the body doesn't the wing is not going to stay onto the body. The plane was not a leaf. Anyways if you shot a leaf at those speeds into a hole the sides of the leaf would rip clean off and stay outside.
 
Sir_Alec said:
No, not true. The velocity of a plane going that fast means that the wings would rip off the body when impacting the pentagon. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you would know that if a wing strikes a wall and the body doesn't the wing is not going to stay onto the body. The plane was not a leaf. Anyways if you shot a leaf at those speeds into a hole the sides of the leaf would rip clean off and stay outside.

Uh... the body did strike the wall. And another thing you have to remember is that the wings just wouldn't stop dead in their tracks. They were still going forward. The nose of the plane hit first, creating a path. Now, the wings aren't as sturdy as the wall, and being that they were swept back they couldn't cover enough surface area to punch another hole; they are the weakest link in an airplane. So due to physics they had to be pinched back. Ever heard of those kids that stuck their heads between the rungs on a staircase railing? They could fit their heads in because the ears fold back in the direction they were already in. But notice they had difficulty getting their heads back out. Because their ears were in a conflicting direction. Same with the wings, kind of. It was easier for them to slip into a hole already started by the nose.
 
Donkey1499 said:
Uh... the body did strike the wall. And another thing you have to remember is that the wings just wouldn't stop dead in their tracks. They were still going forward. The nose of the plane hit first, creating a path. Now, the wings aren't as sturdy as the wall, and being that they were swept back they couldn't cover enough surface area to punch another hole; they are the weakest link in an airplane. So due to physics they had to be pinched back. Ever heard of those kids that stuck their heads between the rungs on a staircase railing? They could fit their heads in because the ears fold back in the direction they were already in. But notice they had difficulty getting their heads back out. Because their ears were in a conflicting direction. Same with the wings, kind of. It was easier for them to slip into a hole already started by the nose.

What I'm saying is that the wings would rip off and not "pinch back". You know what? There is no point in argueing about this anymore. No one is learning anything to change their opinions. Whaddya say if you and I just focus our energies on making Chesswarsnow look like an idiot. I think it would be more fun than this stupid never ending debate. What is the point of this debate anyways? Even if it was an inside job it seems like all it did was get us involved in a war most of us now regret.

Even if I'm completely wrong and a plane did hit the pentagon I still have plenty of things to ask the gov't about, like:

Why won't you lets us see the hotel security tapes of pentagon crash and prove everything happened?

Why did you present false identities of the hijackers when they were all supposed to be using their own IDs when boarding?

Why is there no engine wreckage of the pentagon plane. It's the toughest part of the aircraft and the only debris you have is from a different type of air plane all together?

Why was the president of one of the banks at the First Tower send an anonymous call saying that they should not go to work on the day of 9/11 because of possible danger?

Why did DONALD RUMSFELD accidentaly say "I don't think a plane hit the pentagon" in an interview and then quickly changed the subject?
 
Sir_Alec said:
Even if I'm completely wrong and a plane did hit the pentagon I still have plenty of things to ask the gov't about, like:

Why won't you lets us see the hotel security tapes of pentagon crash and prove everything happened?

Do you have any proof that the hotel tapes actually show what happened?

Why did you present false identities of the hijackers when they were all supposed to be using their own IDs when boarding?

Any proof of this statement?

Why is there no engine wreckage of the pentagon plane. It's the toughest part of the aircraft and the only debris you have is from a different type of air plane all together?

Any proof of this statement?
Why was the president of one of the banks at the First Tower send an anonymous call saying that they should not go to work on the day of 9/11 because of possible danger?

Any proof of this statement?

Why did DONALD RUMSFELD accidentaly say "I don't think a plane hit the pentagon" in an interview and then quickly changed the subject?

Any proof of this statement?
 
RightatNYU said:
Do you have any proof that the hotel tapes actually show what happened?



Any proof of this statement?



Any proof of this statement?


Any proof of this statement?



Any proof of this statement?


Most are from magazines, and articles. I could post a few links if you want them.
 
RightatNYU said:
So, the pentagon has finally released a video, posted over at www.judicialwatch.org that proves that it wasnt a missile, but Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

I want every single conspiracy theorist who ranted about how this couldnt possibly be the case to come back here and apologize for being so dumb.

.....waiting.....:lol:


1.) i dont see a plane
2.) i few tons of kerozine do not burn out in 2 seconds (see some WTC videos and the extent of fire there)
3.) 1:27 big white bright flash explosion is typical for high explosive, kerozine does not explode with a bright white flash.
4.) there is no airplane parts after the explotion
5.) Pentagon released it

its real simple

I guess you are so ignorant and brain free pentagon coul relase a picture of an elephant claiming it to be a mouse and you would post in on a forum. Seriously man use some brain before you post stuff.

This video is a joke
 
NonAmerican said:
I guess you are so ignorant and brain free pentagon coul relase a picture of an elephant claiming it to be a mouse and you would post in on a forum. Seriously man use some brain before you post stuff.

I'm going to let that speak for itself.:lol: :2wave:
 
RightatNYU said:
I'm going to let that speak for itself.:lol: :2wave:


I am glad we agre on the video issue than.
 
RightatNYU said:
You're entitled to believe whatever you want. I think that's an absolutely ludicris idea, and that the evidence to support ANY of it is so slim, its laughable.

But like you said, don't take my word for it, take the word of experts, who certainly know more about the mechanics than you or I:

Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths

I'm willing to bet you never read this article: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

Maybe you can explain where wtc7.net made their mistakes?
 
RightatNYU said:
Why won't you lets us see the hotel security tapes of pentagon crash and prove everything happened?

Do you have any proof that the hotel tapes actually show what happened?

Uh.... what's that got to do with it? How would he have proof if he hasn't seen the tapes? Read the question again.

RightatNYU said:
Why did you present false identities of the hijackers when they were all supposed to be using their own IDs when boarding?

Any proof of this statement?

FBI director Robert Mueller has admitted on CNN that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers" [CNN: Sept.20 & 27]

Can't find the link. Is source and date enough?
 
Wide Latitude said:
I'm willing to bet you never read this article: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

There's millions of articles out there that I haven't read yet. Conspiracy theories aren't exactly high on my list. Have you read the Popular Mechanics report and the 9/11 commission report? They explained the issue satisfactorily for me.

Maybe you can explain where wtc7.net made their mistakes?

No no no, you don't seem to understand how this works. If you have an absurd claim to make, its on your shoulders to prove it. It doesn't work the other way.

I claim that Bush is actually an alien planning to harvest congress for their DNA. Maybe you can explain how I'm wrong?
 
Wide Latitude said:
Uh.... what's that got to do with it? How would he have proof if he hasn't seen the tapes? Read the question again.

Is there any evidence that the hotel tapes have anything useful on them? If not, why would the gov bother to "release" them?


FBI director Robert Mueller has admitted on CNN that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers" [CNN: Sept.20 & 27]

Can't find the link. Is source and date enough?

Logical reasoning doesn't seem to be your strong suit.


Claim: The government "present[ed] false identities of the hijackers when they were all supposed to be using their own IDs when boarding."
Question: Any proof of this statement?
Evidence: Government official stated that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers."

That does not = the initial claim, nor even tangentally relate to it. There is no "legal proof" to prove that Hitler knew about the Holocaust. (Honestly.) Yet is there any doubt that he did?

The phrase legal proof is incredibly ambiguous, and 11 words taken out of context don't exactly prove your argument.
 
RightatNYU said:
There's millions of articles out there that I haven't read yet. Conspiracy theories aren't exactly high on my list. Have you read the Popular Mechanics report and the 9/11 commission report? They explained the issue satisfactorily for me.

Yes, I did read the article. On the surface it seems reasonable, but there are in fact MANY problems with their analysis. Again, I urge you to read the article at the link I posted.

No no no, you don't seem to understand how this works. If you have an absurd claim to make, its on your shoulders to prove it. It doesn't work the other way.

You have to read the article to understand what I said.

Is there any evidence that the hotel tapes have anything useful on them? If not, why would the gov bother to "release" them?

There is no evidence that I'm aware of. "Release" is an interesting word - in order to release them, they must have taken them to begin with. Why did they? I suppose you'll argue that they were evidence - which is perfectly reasonable, in all honesty. The tapes and what's on them is really the least of my questions.

Logical reasoning doesn't seem to be your strong suit.


Claim: The government "present[ed] false identities of the hijackers when they were all supposed to be using their own IDs when boarding."
Question: Any proof of this statement?
Evidence: Government official stated that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers."

That does not = the initial claim, nor even tangentally relate to it. There is no "legal proof" to prove that Hitler knew about the Holocaust. (Honestly.) Yet is there any doubt that he did?

The phrase legal proof is incredibly ambiguous, and 11 words taken out of context don't exactly prove your argument.

I actually misunderstood the original question. But thanks for the personal attack. :)
 
A jet going roughly 850 feet per second caught on a normal security video camera can not be expected to capture much more than what has been seen.

You think the car moving in front of the camera may have seen or at least heard a Passenger Jet Plane descending at 850ft p/s, i also would have assumed that there would have been some cars from the free way right opposite the Pentagon that had been turned over by the force of a passenger jet descending at that speed, or at least some reported eye witness accounts from drivers that day, you report there were eye witness accounts of a plane but have failed to provide evidence of this claim.

I have not heard or followed any conspiracy theories on this but am confused to see how there could possibly be one.

So the video does not conclussively prove to many (if anything ever could prove to a die-hard conspiracy believer) that what struck the Pentagon was a plane?

There are many questions surrounding the truth about what happened in 9/11, the government has been far from open in the investigations into Al queada for instance "w1999", The legislation signed by George Bush to deny FBI agents investigating leads into a terrorist attack on the WTC.

The truth about 9/11 is that there was a conspiracy by the bush administration, the CIA and their middle eastern operative Osama Bin Laden to attack the american people and usher in new laws abolishing the constitutional rights of tthe American citizens.




What about the eye-witnesses who saw the plane strike the building?

I have not yet seen an eye witness account confirming that a plane hit the pentagon, why don't they just release the video footage from the garage directly in line with the projectiles tragectory, anything going into the pentagon would have been recorded from behind by these video cams, but nothing has been released.

What about the flight filled with people who never arrived at their destinations?

Was this flight one from Denver airport, if not which airport did it come from?

What about the FAA who was watching the flight?

What FAA who was watching the flight?

What about the military agencies/RADARS tracking the flight?

Yeah and why were the military jets not scrambled to intercept the plane, assuming the plane was hijacked where the official story tells us it was the air craft control would have lost contact with the plane for long enough to know that something was wrong, considering how strong Bush's ties to Bin Laden are i would be surprised if Bush had the commanders issue strict instructions that the attack was to be carried out.

What about the forensics? (If any)

Amazing this really, not one outright clear cut piece of plane wreckage but they have the DNA of all 73 passengers intact, B.S, i am no scientist but i find it hard to believe that 73 seperate peoples DNA woulld be distinguishable after supposedly flying at 850 ftp/s into a building and exploding, correct me if i'm wrong but this seems a little far fetched, even for me.


And that is a list of just a few of the hard-to-discredit points Conspiracy theorists have to overcome, none more daunting than the eye-witnesses interviewed afterwards, scattered over the area, who told of how they watched it hit.

Even if a plane did hit the pentagon, it should not deflect attention from the real fact that Bush's government had prior knowledge and in light of the evidence i have seen on the attack were in fact complicit, whether it was a plane, a strategic missile or a remote controlled drone it does not divert from the fact the CIA incorporating their middle eastern asset and his loyal troops propogated the worst attack in modern history.
 
All I am going to say is this (And I am not for the conspiracy theoroist theories out there), I just have this to ask:

Why aren't ALL tapes that captured this event available to the public?

This would CLEARLY prove innocense of the government. Just answer that. Why aren't ALL camera tapes that caught the event avalible for public viewing?
 
I can't make heads or tails of the videos. The blur I saw could be anything! Though if I had to pick and choose my conspiracy theory favorites I'd rather deny that we landed on the moon than argue a plane did not hit the pentagon.
 
My only question to the people who believe that something other than a plane hit the pentagon is: What happened to the plane and the people on it? Haven't heard a good answer to that one yet.
 
billoriley said:
I have not yet seen an eye witness account confirming that a plane hit the pentagon, why don't they just release the video footage from the garage directly in line with the projectiles tragectory, anything going into the pentagon would have been recorded from behind by these video cams, but nothing has been released.



.

Then you haven't been looking very hard:

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
 
galenrox said:
alright, looked closer, and this's what I've seen

I'm just gonna review what I saw from the top to the bottom, based on how the videos are shown on that website.

Video 1

If you pause it at 1:26 you can see a white tube enter the right side of the frame right before the explosion, but it's too small and pixelated to be able to see what it is.

Video 2

If you pause it at 0:25 you can see a white tube enter the right side of the frame right before the explosion, but what's different is you can see little black dots on the side of the white tube that one could assume to be windows, but once again, it's too small and pixelated to be able to see what it is.

Video's 3 and 4 were just the same videos as 1 and 2 on a different media player. So yeah, you can see the same stuff, but on video 4 it definately looks more like a plane than a missile.



Coming from a layman's perspective, this doesn't seem conclusive at all, but it certainly does cast a lot of doubt on the conspiracy theory's merits.

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I am not buying this conspiracy theory. The govt. could put an end to this and release all of the videos. Why won't they release them? Why won't they let the witnesses speak about it? Why isn't the grass torn up in front of the crash site? I do see where the conspiracy comes from.

But yes, what about the plane and the passengers? That is what kills the conspiracy theory.
 
Pentagon3.jpg

An airliner did that?
blhelo.jpg

The insides of those offices don't appear to be touched.
Here's a collection of pics:
HTML:
[http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/images/pentagon.jpg/HTML]
 
Doremus Jessup said:
Pentagon3.jpg

An airliner did that?
blhelo.jpg

The insides of those offices don't appear to be touched.
Here's a collection of pics:
HTML:
[http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/images/pentagon.jpg/HTML][/quote]
 
Amazing that you can tell anything from that picture, I mean what did you do break out the magnifine glass?
 

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