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Pentagon Releases Video of Plane Hitting Pentagon (1 Viewer)

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So, the pentagon has finally released a video, posted over at www.judicialwatch.org that proves that it wasnt a missile, but Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

I want every single conspiracy theorist who ranted about how this couldnt possibly be the case to come back here and apologize for being so dumb.

.....waiting.....:lol:
 
RightatNYU said:
So, the pentagon has finally released a video, posted over at www.judicialwatch.org that proves that it wasnt a missile, but Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

I want every single conspiracy theorist who ranted about how this couldnt possibly be the case to come back here and apologize for being so dumb.

.....waiting.....:lol:

Lol, so it was a plane...Well it took long enough to prove me wrong, well any way they were still listioning to our phone convsaione and i can prove this one!?
 
Wonder why their site is inaccessable? It's probably getting swamped with hits now, perhaps.

Has anyone seen the video yet?
 
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RightatNYU said:
So, the pentagon has finally released a video, posted over at www.judicialwatch.org that proves that it wasnt a missile, but Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

I want every single conspiracy theorist who ranted about how this couldnt possibly be the case to come back here and apologize for being so dumb.

.....waiting.....:lol:

Umm...what video did YOU see? Because the video I saw was choppy, unclear, fuzzy, etc.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Questioning sketchy information doesnt make people morons, as you implied.
 
StillPhil said:
Umm...what video did YOU see? Because the video I saw was choppy, unclear, fuzzy, etc.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Questioning sketchy information doesnt make people morons, as you implied.


Yes, the video wasnt crystal clear, and the frame rate sucked.

But its not like the video was necessary to prove this wasnt a conspiracy. Common sense should be enough for that.

Yea, sure, it was a missile. A missile that somehow contained the remains and dna of 64 of the people on flight 77.
 
Why won't it load? I need to see this soooo badly! GOD WHY WON'T IT LOAD?!?!?!

Ok now I saw it. W.T.F. dude this is soo old. I saw this months ago. It sure looks like a missile to me. I just don't understand why we can't get the footage from the motel across the street. The Gov't refuses to show us that footage. They are hiding something. If they weren't hiding anything they would show us the tape which would be much clearer than the frame by frame video we just saw. This proves nothing, in fact, it helps my little theory.

RightatNYU,
You should consider this: Never before in my life have I ever researched more about a conspiracy theory. I think 99% of them are dumb and over the top. This conspiracy, however, has much more depth than any other I've ever seen. I take deep offense to being called dumb after I spent weeks researching this stuff on my spare time.

I don't just look into people's conspiracy videos and reports. I look at news reports, statements of professionals and leaders, and airliner reports, and civilians who saw the thing happen. After adding all that up I can say without a doubt that 911 was done by terrorists and a major corporation with access to the U.S. government and it's leaders. I'm not saying the president did this, but his fat sidekick might have been.
 
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hrmm...released a video....you mean the same footage thats been on the net for about two or more years.

"this just in..."

do please, show me the jet.
 
has no one heard of "operation northwoods" ?

people seem to be forgetting the govt is capable of making complex plans designed to deceive.
 
I really don't think you will see anything apart from the explosion. The shots are taken from a camera with a slow film rate, to see anything you need a high speed camera, that is why you couldn't see the plane in the original footage because it was travelling faster than the frame rate of the crapy security camera.

As for operation northwoods, it is the most recycled hunk of internet garbage..... Why don't you conspiracy theorists realise that the pentagon comes up with all kinds of plans, some of them crazy some of them ligit. Not every plan that the pentagon thinks of is going to see the light of day. :doh
 
Australianlibertarian said:
As for operation northwoods, it is the most recycled hunk of internet garbage..... Why don't you conspiracy theorists realise that the pentagon comes up with all kinds of plans, some of them crazy some of them ligit. Not every plan that the pentagon thinks of is going to see the light of day. :doh


Do you even know what google is ?

Have you read the Operation Northwoods PDF as hosted by George Washington University at their National Security Archives ? Be warned, George Washington Uni is a "crazy conspiracy theory site" :roll:

Here, let me spoon feed you the link : http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Maybe you've heard of the massive conspiracy theory site called "ABC News" , they also rant on and on with their tin foil hats at this link : http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
 
Thank you for redirecting me to the links.

It is good to see that you have a find understanding of the English language. Let me show you a quote from the actual site,

"the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals....". The site then goes on to say,

"may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.” Source: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Now what part of proposal, plans, and may don't you get? This document just demonstrates that the Pentagon does come up with some upsurd ideas and obviously someone with intelligence in the Pentagon vetoed this idea, because it is a stupid, and any investigation would get the government caught red handed.

Your links don't actually prove anything, it shows that you that such fake hijackings were planed but never excecuted.
 
RightatNYU said:
So, the pentagon has finally released a video, posted over at www.judicialwatch.org that proves that it wasnt a missile, but Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

I want every single conspiracy theorist who ranted about how this couldnt possibly be the case to come back here and apologize for being so dumb.

.....waiting.....:lol:

LOL, as if this video clears any of this up. Did you even watch it?
What did you get out of it?

But its not like the video was necessary to prove this wasnt a conspiracy. Common sense should be enough for that.

Edit:, Oh, nevermind, you were just talking for the sake of it.
 
A jet going roughly 850 feet per second caught on a normal security video camera can not be expected to capture much more than what has been seen.

I have not heard or followed any conspiracy theories on this but am confused to see how there could possibly be one.

So the video does not conclussively prove to many (if anything ever could prove to a die-hard conspiracy believer) that what struck the Pentagon was a plane?

What about the eye-witnesses who saw the plane strike the building?
What about the flight filled with people who never arrived at their destinations?
What about the FAA who was watching the flight?
What about the military agencies/RADARS tracking the flight?
What about the forensics? (If any)

And that is a list of just a few of the hard-to-discredit points Conspiracy theorists have to overcome, none more daunting than the eye-witnesses interviewed afterwards, scattered over the area, who told of how they watched it hit.
 
easyt65 said:
A jet going roughly 850 feet per second caught on a normal security video camera can not be expected to capture much more than what has been seen.

I have not heard or followed any conspiracy theories on this but am confused to see how there could possibly be one.

So the video does not conclussively prove to many (if anything ever could prove to a die-hard conspiracy believer) that what struck the Pentagon was a plane?

What about the eye-witnesses who saw the plane strike the building?
What about the flight filled with people who never arrived at their destinations?
What about the FAA who was watching the flight?
What about the military agencies/RADARS tracking the flight?
What about the forensics? (If any)

And that is a list of just a few of the hard-to-discredit points Conspiracy theorists have to overcome, none more daunting than the eye-witnesses interviewed afterwards, scattered over the area, who told of how they watched it hit.

On Brit Hume's show last night, they showed two pieces of evidence that have yet to be seen. There is a photograph of a chunk of sheetmetal from the plane sitting in front of the crash site (or actually it looks to be at least a couple hundred feet from the crash site). And Donald Rumsfeld has a piece of debris from the wreckage in his office.
 
Donkey1499 said:
......And Donald Rumsfeld has a piece of debris from the wreckage in his office.

Rumsfeld STOLE Evidence?! :eek:

Call for his Indictment....Call for his firing.....:rofl Sorry, couldn't help myself!
 
easyt65 said:
Rumsfeld STOLE Evidence?! :eek:

Call for his Indictment....Call for his firing.....:rofl Sorry, couldn't help myself!

I know you're joking, but he didn't steal it. I don't remember who GAVE it to him. The report said, but it was probably someone who worked on the investigation and decided the piece wasn't really relevant. The piece was only about the size of a standard telephone.
 
For all those reading, I was only making a joke, as Donkey picked up on.

But you bring up 2 more good points/blows against conspiracy theories.
 
Australianlibertarian said:
Thank you for redirecting me to the links.

It is good to see that you have a find understanding of the English language. Let me show you a quote from the actual site,

"the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals....". The site then goes on to say,

"may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.” Source: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Now what part of proposal, plans, and may don't you get? This document just demonstrates that the Pentagon does come up with some upsurd ideas and obviously someone with intelligence in the Pentagon vetoed this idea, because it is a stupid, and any investigation would get the government caught red handed.

Your links don't actually prove anything, it shows that you that such fake hijackings were planed but never excecuted.

I never said they carried out operation northwoods, maybe you missed that part. The point is, even waay back in the 60's the government was capable of making plans to trick people into war which included faking the deaths of all sorts of people. It shows the government at its highest ranks is very very ok with twisting the worlds emotions around their fingers, claiming deaths all to invade cuba. Kind of like during the first gulf war they paraded that lady around saying Saddam was having babies removed from incubators and tossing them on the floor left to die. This later turned out to not be true. Details details.

Let's play a little game called "what are the facts", you probably wont like it.

from the cs monitor : http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html

"When George H. W. Bush ordered American forces to the Persian Gulf – to reverse Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait – part of the administration case was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia.

Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid–September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key US oil supplier.

But when the St. Petersburg Times in Florida acquired two commercial Soviet satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, no Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border – just empty desert."

The name of the game is we want to invade and will do anything to make sure that occurs

" Shortly before US strikes began in the Gulf War, for example, the St. Petersburg Times asked two experts to examine the satellite images of the Kuwait and Saudi Arabia border area taken in mid-September 1990, a month and a half after the Iraqi invasion. The experts, including a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who specialized in desert warfare, pointed out the US build-up – jet fighters standing wing-tip to wing-tip at Saudi bases – but were surprised to see almost no sign of the Iraqis.

"That [Iraqi buildup] was the whole justification for Bush sending troops in there, and it just didn't exist," Ms. Heller says. Three times Heller contacted the office of Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (now vice president) for evidence refuting the Times photos or analysis – offering to hold the story if proven wrong. "

...skip...

"More recently, in the fall of 1990, members of Congress and the American public were swayed by the tearful testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only as Nayirah.

In the girl's testimony before a congressional caucus, well-documented in MacArthur's book "Second Front" and elsewhere, she described how, as a volunteer in a Kuwait maternity ward, she had seen Iraqi troops storm her hospital, steal the incubators, and leave 312 babies "on the cold floor to die."

Seven US Senators later referred to the story during debate; the motion for war passed by just five votes. In the weeks after Nayirah spoke, President Bush senior invoked the incident five times, saying that such "ghastly atrocities" were like "Hitler revisited."

But just weeks before the US bombing campaign began in January, a few press reports began to raise questions about the validity of the incubator tale.

Later, it was learned that Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Washington and had no connection to the Kuwait hospital.

She had been coached – along with the handful of others who would "corroborate" the story – by senior executives of Hill and Knowlton in Washington, the biggest global PR firm at the time, which had a contract worth more than $10 million with the Kuwaitis to make the case for war.

"We didn't know it wasn't true at the time," Brent Scowcroft, Bush's national security adviser, said of the incubator story in a 1995 interview with the London-based Guardian newspaper. He acknowledged "it was useful in mobilizing public opinion." "


lies lies lies lies

LET'S HAVE A WAR


Fast forward to 2001 and all the technology we have now (not to mention media complicity). Imagine what they're capable of. Imagine the plans the come up with now.

That's the point you seem to be missing.
 
Sir_Alec said:
RightatNYU,
You should consider this: Never before in my life have I ever researched more about a conspiracy theory. I think 99% of them are dumb and over the top. This conspiracy, however, has much more depth than any other I've ever seen. I take deep offense to being called dumb after I spent weeks researching this stuff on my spare time.

I don't just look into people's conspiracy videos and reports. I look at news reports, statements of professionals and leaders, and airliner reports, and civilians who saw the thing happen. After adding all that up I can say without a doubt that 911 was done by terrorists and a major corporation with access to the U.S. government and it's leaders. I'm not saying the president did this, but his fat sidekick might have been.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want. I think that's an absolutely ludicris idea, and that the evidence to support ANY of it is so slim, its laughable.

But like you said, don't take my word for it, take the word of experts, who certainly know more about the mechanics than you or I:

Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths
 
RightatNYU said:
You're entitled to believe whatever you want. I think that's an absolutely ludicris idea, and that the evidence to support ANY of it is so slim, its laughable.

But like you said, don't take my word for it, take the word of experts, who certainly know more about the mechanics than you or I:

Popular Mechanics: Debunking the 9/11 Myths

No offense, but I stopped reading Popular Mechanics after a staff writer wrote a section proving how evolution is false. This story does not debunk anything.

oops, wrong magazine. Still I don't think it explains everything.
 
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In Popular mechanics,

"Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

Explain this to me experts. Before the roof callapsed in the hole was about 14 by 12 feet. The body of a plane does not fit that hole. What about the windows being intact where the wings hit the building. Windows don't stay intact from the velocity of an impact like that.


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How does the landing gear punch all the way through 3 layers of concrete and the two ton engines do no damage at all to the outer walls?
 
The pentagon is built more sturdy than an airplane. The wings, being the weakest link, just folded to the sides. The center weight of the airplane is in the fusalage [SP?] where all cargo and passangers are. With that weight, plus the wings, it would only punch a small hole. But if you look at the picture closer, you'd notice the firefighters, which can be used to compare the size of the hole to an actual airplane. Take a plane (like the one that DID hit the Pentagon) and shear off its wings and I'll guarantee that that puppy would fit in there like a stinkin' glove.
 
Donkey1499 said:
The pentagon is built more sturdy than an airplane. The wings, being the weakest link, just folded to the sides. The center weight of the airplane is in the fusalage [SP?] where all cargo and passangers are. With that weight, plus the wings, it would only punch a small hole. But if you look at the picture closer, you'd notice the firefighters, which can be used to compare the size of the hole to an actual airplane. Take a plane (like the one that DID hit the Pentagon) and shear off its wings and I'll guarantee that that puppy would fit in there like a stinkin' glove.

Will you people stop saying that crap. What about the engines. They are at two tons each. There is no damage from them at all.
 
So if truth is crap then you're a lost soul. I can't help you there.

The engines went inside the building and helped to propel the plane further in. The wings were folded backwards. Study crash physics and maybe you'll understand how it's done.
 

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