Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the brig

[Perotista]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

The first branch of government to be politicized by the Obama administration was the Department of Justice. Then it was the Department of Homeland Security. We finaly discover that the IRS was politicized by the Obama administration. But when the Department of Defense has become politicized this is dangerous.

Excerpts from Marine Corps Times:

Did politics ground Miramar Air Show?

>"A California congressman wants to know why the Defense Department refused to support a Marine Corps air show that reportedly brings in money every year...

The air station did not have to cancel the event, Bardorf wrote, but it had to be executed with a laundry list of restrictions: only local assets and personnel could be used; no appropriated funds could be spent; military flyovers and aerial demonstrations were prohibited; flight training could not be conducted over the event area; the Navy’s Parachute Team, the Leap Frogs, could not perform; and no Navy or Marine aircraft on ground display could so much as start or taxi while spectators were present.Hunter saw this decision as political showmanship designed to highlight the ill effects of sequestration budget cuts, Kasper said...

Hunter’s letter to Hagel asked the defense secretary to provide him with assurances that the air show was not left unsupported for political reasons..."< Entire article. -> Congressman: Did politics ground Miramar Air Show? | Marine Corps Times | marinecorpstimes.com

Other links:
HUNTER SEEKS DATA ON AIR SHOW CANCELLATION | UTSanDiego.com

Hunter: Air show nets $1.5M Page 1 of 2 | UTSanDiego.com

Politics always takes a front seat to governing. But wait, perhaps our form of government and governing is nothing but politics. It certainly is my politics vs. your politics. My political candidate vs. your political candidate. Politics prevail, perhaps the best form of government is a benevolent monarchy as our republican form of government has been slowly replaced by more of a direct democracy. Who needs governing when we have politics.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

More Orange Curtain crap. You have to be very select on what parts of California you cherry pick to get close to that claim. Most of that rate is due to a high first generation immigrant population, they never were in the California educational system. :doh

Please produce the source for a 50% illiterate/functional illiterate rate of California educated citizens...

.

And yes, it has all to do with Democrats who don't want our immigration laws enforced and then turn to complaining that our immigration laws are broken. Basically the federal government refuses to uphold the Constitution and enforce our laws and states are told by activist judges and by a socialist executive branch of government that they can't uphold the oath they took to defend and enforce the Constitution.

>"Fifty-three percent of working-age Los Angeles County residents have trouble reading street signs or bus schedules, filling out job applications in English or understanding a utility bill. The national average is 48%, according to the 1992 National Adult Literacy Survey.
Study Finds Rampant Illiteracy in L.A. County - Los Angeles Times '<

notquiteright have you ever thought about visiting Mexifornia and visiting L.A, (aka The Capital of the Third World) before making stupid comments ?

You are aware it's very likely that if you visit L.A. that odds are very likely that an illegal alien will approache you and ask you in third world Spanish "Qué hora es en" and if you cant give him the time of day, liberals will label you as being a racist.

Come to think of it, how many white liberals have been called raciest by the Obama White House in the past four years and eight months ?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

And yes, it has all to do with Democrats who don't want our immigration laws enforced and then turn to complaining that our immigration laws are broken. Basically the federal government refuses to uphold the Constitution and enforce our laws and states are told by activist judges and by a socialist executive branch of government that they can't uphold the oath they took to defend and enforce the Constitution.

That's only half the problem.
The other half is Republicans who don't want our immigration laws enforced.

Republicans love to make mouth noises about reforming immigration, but what did they do when they had the trifecta for six years during the Bush years? Which president was it that signed amnesty into law back in the '80s and brought a whole new flood of illegals into the country?

 

[Ford289HiPo]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

Did politics ground Miramar Air Show?

Yes, absolutely. The "sequester" was the motive, the miniscule cutback that resulted had to be magnified in the minds of the public, and therefore, such things as the air show and white house tours had to be cut, as those are pretty visible to people.

IMO, that will backfire. People see things like the First Family taking an expensive trip to Africa while they cannot access a building that belongs to "the People" due to cuts.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

That's only half the problem.
The other half is Republicans who don't want our immigration laws enforced.

Republicans love to make mouth noises about reforming immigration, but what did they do when they had the trifecta for six years during the Bush years? Which president was it that signed amnesty into law back in the '80s and brought a whole new flood of illegals into the country?

The same President who said that the biggest mistake he made while President was signing the 1986 amnesty in to law.

>" According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the 1986 amnesty..."<

Ronald Reagan

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

Did politics ground Miramar Air Show?

>"A California congressman wants to know why the Defense Department refused to support a Marine Corps air show that reportedly brings in money every year...

This is not politics like you are trying to imply. This (like a great many other events, like the Blue Angels and Golden Knights) and even "Fleet WeeK" and flyovers at sporting events is cancelled because of the sequester and budget cuts.

If Miramar wants this to happen so damned badly, then let them pay the Marine Corps for this, instead of whining that they are not getting the money for nothing that they expected.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

This is not politics like you are trying to imply. This (like a great many other events, like the Blue Angels and Golden Knights) and even "Fleet WeeK" and flyovers at sporting events is cancelled because of the sequester and budget cuts.

If Miramar wants this to happen so damned badly, then let them pay the Marine Corps for this, instead of whining that they are not getting the money for nothing that they expected.

But unlike Fleet Week and other air shows the Miramar Air Show pays for it's self and actually makes a net profit.

It's political, I think it's political and so does Rep. Duncan Hunter.

Liberals have been attacking and trying to end all military air shows for the past forty years.

 

[sangha]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

But unlike Fleet Week and other air shows the Miramar Air Show pays for it's self and actually makes a net profit.

No sane person believes that lie of yours

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

No sane person believes that lie of yours

>" The Miramar Air Show makes an average net profit each year of $1.5 million, according to Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, citing an unnamed senior government source familiar with defense accounts.

Hunter inquired about the bottom line for San Diego’s annual aviation event after the Defense Department grounded military flights for the 2013 air show scheduled for Oct. 4-6. Officials cited the unspecified “cost” and a departmentwide freeze on aerial demonstrations under sequestration budget cuts.

More than 500,000 people usually attend the free three-day event, which brings in money from corporate sponsorships and paid premium seating.

Grounding a moneymaking air show because of budget problems is “purely political,” Hunter said. “After speaking to dozens of military sources from the Pentagon, the consensus is there is no other reason other than to inflict political pain on Congress.” "<

>"Political backers in San Diego say the Miramar show merited an exception because it is far more than entertainment: it is an effective military recruiting tool that also pumps money into the community and air station programs for the benefit of Marine families.

The International Council of Air Shows, a trade group, says the Miramar show has an estimated local economic impact of $17 million annually..."<


Hunter: Air show nets $1.5M Page 1 of 2 | UTSanDiego.com

 

[sangha]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

>" The Miramar Air Show makes an average net profit each year of $1.5 million, according to Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, citing an unnamed senior government source familiar with defense accounts.

Hunter inquired about the bottom line for San Diego’s annual aviation event after the Defense Department grounded military flights for the 2013 air show scheduled for Oct. 4-6. Officials cited the unspecified “cost” and a departmentwide freeze on aerial demonstrations under sequestration budget cuts.

More than 500,000 people usually attend the free three-day event, which brings in money from corporate sponsorships and paid premium seating.

Grounding a moneymaking air show because of budget problems is “purely political,” Hunter said. “After speaking to dozens of military sources from the Pentagon, the consensus is there is no other reason other than to inflict political pain on Congress.” "<

>"Political backers in San Diego say the Miramar show merited an exception because it is far more than entertainment: it is an effective military recruiting tool that also pumps money into the community and air station programs for the benefit of Marine families.

The International Council of Air Shows, a trade group, says the Miramar show has an estimated local economic impact of $17 million annually..."<


Hunter: Air show nets $1.5M Page 1 of 2 | UTSanDiego.com

No sane person believes that lie of yours and other loony politicians

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

But unlike Fleet Week and other air shows the Miramar Air Show pays for it's self and actually makes a net profit.

It's political, I think it's political and so does Rep. Duncan Hunter.

Liberals have been attacking and trying to end all military air shows for the past forty years.

And your point is? If it makes a profit, then let them pay for it.

Dude, think about it. SHould the Federal Government be spending money so that local businesses make money? No, not if we are in a "fiscal crisis". If this is so critical, then Miramar should be able to pay for that service.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

No sane person believes that lie of yours and other loony politicians

That "loony" politician your referring too has one of these.->

He has three combat tours of duty under his belt.

 

[sangha]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

That "loony" politician your referring too has one of these.->View attachment 67151600

He has three combat tours of duty under his belt.

So do plenty of other loons

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

And your point is? If it makes a profit, then let them pay for it.

Dude, think about it. SHould the Federal Government be spending money so that local businesses make money? No, not if we are in a "fiscal crisis". If this is so critical, then Miramar should be able to pay for that service.

What are you talking about Oozlefinch ? The Miramar air show does pay for it self. It doesn't cost the tax payers a single cent.
That's why it's all political.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

What are you talking about Oozlefinch ? The Miramar air show does pay for it self. It doesn't cost the tax payers a single cent.
That's why it's all political.

Do the civilians pay for the Marines to do their fly-bys? Because if that is the case, I would love to hear about it. Because as far as I know these shows are all 100% paid for by the military, as part of it's Public Relations. Just like those at baseball games and parades.

I read someplace a few years ago (I want to say Army Times) that it costs around $80,000-120,000 for the Blue Angels to do a weekend performance. And the military always sucked that up, splitting the costs between the PR and recruiting budgets.

But all of these teams, like the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, Golden Knights, etc have been shut down for the year. So for one, I would love to see where the community pays for the expenses of the military.

And these units have been inactive since April, it would take them a few months to get into the practice required to perform such actions, are they going to pay for that as well?

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

Do the civilians pay for the Marines to do their fly-bys? Because if that is the case, I would love to hear about it. Because as far as I know these shows are all 100% paid for by the military, as part of it's Public Relations. Just like those at baseball games and parades.

I read someplace a few years ago (I want to say Army Times) that it costs around $80,000-120,000 for the Blue Angels to do a weekend performance. And the military always sucked that up, splitting the costs between the PR and recruiting budgets.

But all of these teams, like the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, Golden Knights, etc have been shut down for the year. So for one, I would love to see where the community pays for the expenses of the military.

And these units have been inactive since April, it would take them a few months to get into the practice required to perform such actions, are they going to pay for that as well?

Obama's Pentagon seems not to have a problem with spending $480,000,000. on friendly gender commodes or Big Sis buying 1.5 billion rounds of ammunition for what nobody knows.

It seems Rep. Hunter created a political hot potato on the Hill. Republicans and moderate Democrats are on the Marine Corps side and liberals are still having wet dreams because there will be no military aircraft flying at a military air show.

Maybe the Marines should pass the hat around at the air show to cover the cost of the fuel that a FA-18 burns up. But I'm sure Obama has that one covered, he would require the Marines to purchace that $27. per gallon green JP-5.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

Obama's Pentagon seems not to have a problem with spending $480,000,000. on friendly gender commodes or Big Sis buying 1.5 billion rounds of ammunition for what nobody knows.

That is besides the point, and has nothing to do with this.

Maybe the Marines should pass the hat around at the air show to cover the cost of the fuel that a FA-18 burns up. But I'm sure Obama has that one covered, he would require the Marines to purchace that $27. per gallon green JP-5.

Or maybe the community should cough up a big chunk of that $1.5 million to help the military cover it's expenses just so they can make some money.

And before we spent a dime for more air shows, I think we need to worry more about things like general training for units that actually perform their duties. Not publicity events for elite non-combat units.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

And before we spent a dime for more air shows, I think we need to worry more about things like general training for units that actually perform their duties. Not publicity events for elite non-combat units.

In today's PC military, sensitivity training comes before training for combat.

I've been told an entire squadron recently was pulled from the sky during a combat training exercise and ordered to return to their home base to attend sensitivity training classes.
Not scuttlebutt and still too recent to be called a sea story but I'm sure it will become an old sea story a decade from now unless Hillary becomes Cn'C.

Looks like the Army will be down sized to 370,000, the Corps to 150,000 and three Nimitz class carriers will be sunk off shore to become artificial reefs.
The Air Force has bigger problems, they have to expand the size of Davis Monthan AFB boneyard to make room for a couple thousand aircraft and there's no money to buy more desert to expand. I suppose they can just start stacking all of these planes on top of each other.

 

[Dittohead not!]

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The same President who said that the biggest mistake he made while President was signing the 1986 amnesty in to law.

>" According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the 1986 amnesty..."<

Ronald Reagan

Even bigger than selling arms to Iran and using the money to fund the Contras?

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

Even bigger than selling arms to Iran and using the money to fund the Contras?

But whose arms were they ?

And whose money was used to buy those arms ?

And why wasn't Lt. Col. Oliver North awarded the Navy Distinguished Service Medal for coming up with such a scheme to get around the Bowman amendment ?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

But whose arms were they ?

ours.

And whose money was used to buy those arms ?

Theirs.

And why wasn't Lt. Col. Oliver North awarded the Navy Distinguished Service Medal for coming up with such a scheme to get around the Bowman amendment ?

Some silly, outdated piece of paper we refer to as the "Constitution," no doubt.

Selling arms to the enemy is OK in your book, really? Under what circumstances could Obama do the same thing and be praised for it?

 

[APACHERAT]

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ours.



Theirs.



Some silly, outdated piece of paper we refer to as the "Constitution," no doubt.

Selling arms to the enemy is OK in your book, really? Under what circumstances could Obama do the same thing and be praised for it?

I guess I have to stand corrected, I must have been misinformed.

I thought the arms (obsolete TOW's and Hawk missiles) were owned by Israel.

That the money used to purchase the weapons from Israel came from private individuals in America and Saudi Arabia.

That the Boland amendment was just another attempt by the left to prevent America from winning the Cold War.

It doesn't matter, the endgame was that the right was right and the left was wrong. Our side won the Cold War.

 

[sangha]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

I guess I have to stand corrected, I must have been misinformed.

I thought the arms (obsolete TOW's and Hawk missiles) were owned by Israel.

That the money used to purchase the weapons from Israel came from private individuals in America and Saudi Arabia.

That the Boland amendment was just another attempt by the left to prevent America from winning the Cold War.

It doesn't matter, the endgame was that the right was right and the left was wrong. Our side won the Cold War.

You are right. Israel sold the arms to Iran and we reimbursed the Israelis because the US was not allowed (by law) to sell arms to Iran

 

[Dittohead not!]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

I guess I have to stand corrected, I must have been misinformed.

I thought the arms (obsolete TOW's and Hawk missiles) were owned by Israel.

That the money used to purchase the weapons from Israel came from private individuals in America and Saudi Arabia.

That the Boland amendment was just another attempt by the left to prevent America from winning the Cold War.

It doesn't matter, the endgame was that the right was right and the left was wrong. Our side won the Cold War.

What could brokering an arms deal between Iran (enemy, but not the Soviet Union) and Israel possibly have had to do with t he cold war?

And if the "right" decided to counter a decision made by Congress (Boland Amendment) by using the sale of arms to the enemy to support a war that Congress, right or wrong, didn't want to support, then that does bring up that outdated piece of paper we call the Constitution, doesn't it?

If the "right" doesn't like what the "left" does in Congress, does it then, being the "right" and all, have the right (pun intended) to subvert the will of Congress?

And, once again, under what circumstances would it be laudable for the current administration to sell arms to the Iranians?

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Pentagon has been politicized ! If you even move that plane one inch, off to the

You are right. Israel sold the arms to Iran and we reimbursed the Israelis because the US was not allowed (by law) to sell arms to Iran

I'm glad to hear that back during the 80's you were digging into your pockets helping to win the Cold War. There were thousands of individual Americans who came up with the money to reimburse Israel. But I believe it was King Fahd who came up with most of the money.

But Lt. Col. North ripped off the Iranians and ended up making a profit. This is when Lt. Col. North came up with the idea lets give the profits to the Contras.

I believe originally the arms sales was to gain release of American hostages being held in Iran. The Contras became involved once it was discovered their was a net profit made.

In the end everyone was a winner.
The American hostages were released.
Israel got rid of a bunch of old obsolete weapons they had no use for.
The Contras got much needed financial help to continue a Cold War proxy war in Central America to overthrow a communist regime.
And Iran deployed a bunch of obsolete weapons and I have no idea if they worked and how many Iraqi tanks were destroyed or how many Iraqi planes were shot down since these Hawks were the original MIM-23 from the late 1950's.