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Pennsylvania coronavirus restrictions deemed unconstitutional, federal judge rules

Tlrmln said:
To be fair, anyone who is worried about dying from Covid-19 is free to stay home and never come out.
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Why should responsible people be penalized for the benefit of irresponsible people?
 
OlNate said:
LOL...so, the Federal government cannot roll out a national response, due to State's rights, but they can squash a state's efforts to respond? And get Amen's for it?

Wow. America, you are ****ed.
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States and the federal government are limited in what they can do by the constitution and by laws. A governor can't just put in place any restriction he (she) wants to. It has to be allowed under the state law, and not contradicted by federal laws or the state/federal constitution.
 
dcsports said:
States and the federal government are limited in what they can do by the constitution and by laws. A governor can't just put in place any restriction he (she) wants to. It has to be allowed under the state law, and not contradicted by federal laws or the state/federal constitution.
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Have you read the opinion? How do feel about the use of Lochner v New York in the opinion? Think that will hold up on appeal?
 
BlueTex said:
Why would it be scary to empower the government during a public health emergency? If we had 1M cases of ebola would you be making the same argument?
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ebola is a much more dangerous disease. it snot even on the same scale.

this is a flu on steroids. air transmitted ebola would be an apocalypse.
 
BlueTex said:
Have you read the opinion? How do feel about the use of Lochner v New York in the opinion? Think that will hold up on appeal?
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I have not read this specific opinion - speaking more in general. It will be interesting to see how they approach the appeal, given that the governor has apparently already released the restrictions which were at issue. They could just make adjustments in future orders (as many states have done).
 
Hypothetical said:
ebola is a much more dangerous disease. it snot even on the same scale.

this is a flu on steroids. air transmitted ebola would be an apocalypse.
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For scarier diseases states can violate the constitution?
 
BlueTex said:
For scarier diseases states can violate the constitution?
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no they shouldn't, but we have accepted it in cases of DIRE significance (which covid is not) such as some of the laws and orders Lincoln used in the civil war
 
X Factor said:
What problem? I mean, I know why I had a problem with it, but there isn’t a lockdown restriction I’ve heard of which hasn’t been embraced by the left.
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California reopened back up months ago and remains open today.
 
Luce said:
People too stupid to take sensible precautions are a self-correcting problem. Off they go, the world will not miss them.
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Glad to see you are finally admitting that masks don't protect others, they only protect YOU.
 
iguanaman said:
Someone has to try something don't they? Letting the virus take control is not going to be pretty.
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Trump already tried the lockdown and it resulted in a 33% drop in GDP and over 11.5% unemployment. Did you want those number to be even higher?
 
Moderate Right said:
Glad to see you are finally admitting that masks don't protect others, they only protect YOU.
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Glad to see you dishonestly putting words in my mouth.
 
Moderate Right said:
Glad to see you are finally admitting that masks don't protect others, they only protect YOU.
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That depends on the type of mask you use. If you're using N95 masks then you're protecting yourself and others. Surgical masks and other face coverings help protect others from the large droplets one tends to expel from one's mouth. The other tool required to make masks/face coverings more effective is social distancing.
 
Acadia said:
Makes Biden's insistence he'd lock us ALL down if elected even funnier.
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Biden said "if necessary." The Judge was a trump appointee. It's being appealed. We'll see what the higher court has to say.
 
ElChupacabra said:
That depends on the type of mask you use. If you're using N95 masks then you're protecting yourself and others. Surgical masks and other face coverings help protect others from the large droplets one tends to expel from one's mouth. The other tool required to make masks/face coverings more effective is social distancing.
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In most cases a mask does not protect others unless they are not wearing a mask themselves. Now, if you want to get into the weeds, you could argue that if someone with Covid were wearing an N-95 mask that might protect someone wearing a home made mask or even no mask at all , or, if a Covid patient was wearing a home made mask and the other person was wearing a home made mask, in which cases my scenario would be wrong. But, all things considered, if YOU are wearing a good mask, then it doesn't really matter if others aren't wearing a mask at all. Like getting pregnant, it's on those who do not want to catch the virus to wear a good enough mask themselves so that if they are around others who don't wear masks, that they will be OK. You've actually got to assume you are going to run into non mask wearers. There is still no evidence that someone wearing a mask caught the virus from someone not wearing a mask.
 
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