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America faces a dilemma that its founding fathers never anticipated. What do you do when a large portion of a democracy democratically wants to overthrow its own democracy?
There are those in the know that say Trump's actions meet the criteria for a treason charge. The problem is all this stuff is hearsay at this point. Unless the government gets at least two solid credible witnesses that can tell us what was in Trumps head, he won't get charged with anything more than interfering with an official proceeding of congress. Which to me, if followed up with an appropriate sentence, will do just fine.From the Washington Post --
On Jan. 5, Pence endured another berating by Trump. Costa and Woodward describe the scene: Pence telling Trump that experts flatly rejected the president’s plan, Trump shouting, “No, no, no!” in response. Trump telling Pence that if he failed to go ahead with the plan, Trump would no longer be his friend. Trump, furious, saying: “You’ve betrayed us. I made you. You were nothing. Your career is over if you do this.”
It was on this day — though it’s not clear when — that Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, alerted the Secret Service that he was worried about what would happen when Pence’s rejection of Trump’s demands became public. On Friday, the New York Times reported the conversation.
“Mr. Short did not know what form such a security risk might take, according to people familiar with the events. But after days of intensifying pressure from Mr. Trump on Mr. Pence to take the extraordinary step of intervening in the certification of the Electoral College count to forestall Mr. Trump’s defeat, Mr. Short seemed to have good reason for concern,” Maggie Haberman reported. “The vice president’s refusal to go along was exploding into an open and bitter breach between the two men at a time when the president was stoking the fury of his supporters who were streaming into Washington.”
It was also reported today that on Jan 6, while the insurrection was still in progress and the "Hang Mike Pence" chants were occurring, Trump made the comment that Pence "should be hung" or something to that effect.
These evil Nazi Repug ****s must never hold power at the Federal level again. It's over for this country if they do. Nov 2022 could very well be the most important election in the history of this country.
can you imagine Ronald Reagan doing stuff that put Bush 1 in danger??????????Trump and his gang of hoodlums should be in lock up for the next few years........... never get out because they are a flight risk.
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that's disgusting and not the America where i grew up.
IndeedTrumpsters can't reply to this thread. They have absolutely no defense for the Nazi fascist **** that they support. They're not ashamed, mind you, they just can't think of any bullshit to say right now.
It's incredible and surreal that were even having a conversation about the President of the U.S trying to kill the Vice President of the U.S. because the Vice President wouldn't support his fascist takeover of the government. It's like we now live in an alternate universe.
This country used to ridicule chaos and upheaval in other countries. Not anymore.
They would be willing to do it democratically or non-democratically, as they demonstrated on Jan 6.America faces a dilemma that its founding fathers never anticipated. What do you do when a large portion of a democracy democratically wants to overthrow its own democracy?
can you imagine Ronald Reagan doing stuff that put Bush 1 in danger??????????
amen ........Indeed
The reason that I post "I miss WWII vets" a lot is because how crazy things have gotten with the white nationalists and the Evangelical Christians and their goals and the politicians they control.
Those vets had way more integrity and would be outraged if Americans were trying to kill a vice president.
Not anymore. Now the RW looks up to dictators. Having CPAC in Hungary is over the top. Just makes no sense. This crap really worries me about the direction of America. The problem is most people see the inflation as a bigger problem than losing democracy. Inflation will subside. Democracy won't come back if we lose it.Trumpsters can't reply to this thread. They have absolutely no defense for the Nazi fascist **** that they support. They're not ashamed, mind you, they just can't think of any bullshit to say right now.
It's incredible and surreal that were even having a conversation about the President of the U.S trying to kill the Vice President of the U.S. because the Vice President wouldn't support a fascist takeover of the government. It's like we now live in an alternate universe.
This country used to ridicule chaos and upheaval in other countries. Not anymore.
There are those in the know that say Trump's actions meet the criteria for a treason charge. The problem is all this stuff is hearsay at this point. Unless the government gets at least two solid credible witnesses that can tell us what was in Trumps head, he won't get charged with anything more than interfering with an official proceeding of congress. Which to me, if followed up with an appropriate sentence, will do just fine.
Any Trump supporters at this point are anti-American insurrectionists. I could give a pass to Trump supporters previously before 1/6 and the 2020 election as being just the opposition, but not anymore. Trump supporters at this point want America to dive into a dictatorship under their rule.
From the Washington Post --
On Jan. 5, Pence endured another berating by Trump. Costa and Woodward describe the scene: Pence telling Trump that experts flatly rejected the president’s plan, Trump shouting, “No, no, no!” in response. Trump telling Pence that if he failed to go ahead with the plan, Trump would no longer be his friend. Trump, furious, saying: “You’ve betrayed us. I made you. You were nothing. Your career is over if you do this.”
It was on this day — though it’s not clear when — that Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, alerted the Secret Service that he was worried about what would happen when Pence’s rejection of Trump’s demands became public. On Friday, the New York Times reported the conversation.
“Mr. Short did not know what form such a security risk might take, according to people familiar with the events. But after days of intensifying pressure from Mr. Trump on Mr. Pence to take the extraordinary step of intervening in the certification of the Electoral College count to forestall Mr. Trump’s defeat, Mr. Short seemed to have good reason for concern,” Maggie Haberman reported. “The vice president’s refusal to go along was exploding into an open and bitter breach between the two men at a time when the president was stoking the fury of his supporters who were streaming into Washington.”
It was also reported today that on Jan 6, while the insurrection was still in progress and the "Hang Mike Pence" chants were occurring, Trump made the comment that Pence "should be hung" or something to that effect.
These evil Nazi Repug ****s must never hold power at the Federal level again. It's over for this country if they do. Nov 2022 could very well be the most important election in the history of this country.
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that's disgusting and not the America where i grew up.
But Republicans wanting to kill a Republican VP?Yeah, just too much apathy. Outrage overload is also part of it, but that's also a bad sign for where we're at as a country.
And some people on here think I'm too mean to these Nazi Republican ****holes and that I'm overstating the threat to this country. I hope they're right.
Marc Short would be performing an invaluable service to his country if he testifies publicly. I sure hope he does it. His testimony could very easily be the most damning of anyone's...except for Mike Pence, of course.Marc Short testified before the J6 committee. If he would return, he would be a very convincing witness for prime time tv public hearings.
The episode is one of many others where trump resorts to intimidation. This example of threatening Pence might be the most horrid.
The perfect phone call to Zelensky, no wonder trump was denied on the phone like that.
The PERFECT phone call to Raffensberger in GA.
We don't settle our differences or elections with violence or intimidation. The problem is that the trump keeps trying with the constant lies!
Marc Short testified before the J6 committee. If he would return, he would be a very convincing witness for prime time tv public hearings.
The episode is one of many others where trump resorts to intimidation. This example of threatening Pence might be the most horrid.
The perfect phone call to Zelensky, no wonder trump was denied on the phone like that.
The PERFECT phone call to Raffensberger in GA.
We don't settle our differences or elections with violence or intimidation. The problem is that the trump keeps trying with the constant lies!
Nothing “democratically” to it. Right wing nut jobs/liars have made numerous illegal attempts at overturning the ‘20 election, and continue working to turn America into a dystopian Christian Nationalist society.America faces a dilemma that its founding fathers never anticipated. What do you do when a large portion of a democracy democratically wants to overthrow its own democracy?
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