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Nancy Pelosi was right when she said " You have to pass the BILL so you'll know what's in it".
Real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation.

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This is one of the many free Health Benefits, how about that!!! My parents will be thrilled when they decide to downsize and sell their present home.
Thank you Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Democrat Congress and the rest of the Obama Administration.
 

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Nancy Pelosi was right when she said " You have to pass the BILL so you'll know what's in it".
Real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation.

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This is one of the many free Health Benefits, how about that!!! My parents will be thrilled when they decide to downsize and sell their present home.
Thank you Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Democrat Congress and the rest of the Obama Administration.
This piece of crap has to get repealed.
 

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Nancy Pelosi was right when she said " You have to pass the BILL so you'll know what's in it".
Real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation.
Last year, Medicare paid $50 billion just for doctor and hospital bills during the last two months of patients' lives - that's more than the budget of the Department of Homeland Security or the Department of Education.
The Cost of Dying - 60 Minutes - CBS News

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Nancy Pelosi was right when she said " You have to pass the BILL so you'll know what's in it".
Real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation.

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This is one of the many free Health Benefits, how about that!!! My parents will be thrilled when they decide to downsize and sell their present home.
Thank you Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Democrat Congress and the rest of the Obama Administration.
I believe the expression is, I CALL BULL****!!

#1 -- It only applies to PROFIT above $250,000, (or above $500,000 for a couple) not the total price of one's home.
#2 -- It only applies if one makes over $200,000 a year ($250K for a couple).

A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home? | FactCheck.org

So, the poor couple who're making $275,000 a year and profit $500,000 on the sale of their home will have to pay, WAIT FOR IT!!! $19,000. Poor things.
 

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Here's a novel idea. When we pass a bill, we figure out how taxes can be adjusted to support it, either by being raised or lowered. You can disapprove of the Healthcare bill, you can disapprove of new taxes, but you shouldn't criticize the simple decision to figure out a way to pay for new expenses.

Frankly, I'd like the healthcare bill even less if it included no new taxes because then it would be paid for entirely by borrowing.
 

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I see the red kool aide is strong in you.

Don't read books.

Don't watch anything but fox.

Well done!
The blue cool aide is super strong in you.
I also watch CBS NBC CNN etc. etc. I don't think like the books written about communist, liberal , progressive and Socialism.
I have common sense and am able to determine right from wrong and that's something that people like you are not able to do and that's why this nation is in trouble.
Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Kerry, the rest of the Democrats in Congress and Senate are well read people and well educated and yet they are screwing up this country because they have NO COMMON SENSE.
Well done!!
 

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I believe the expression is, I CALL BULL****!!

#1 -- It only applies to PROFIT above $250,000, (or above $500,000 for a couple) not the total price of one's home.
#2 -- It only applies if one makes over $200,000 a year ($250K for a couple).

A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home? | FactCheck.org

So, the poor couple who're making $275,000 a year and profit $500,000 on the sale of their home will have to pay, WAIT FOR IT!!! $19,000. Poor things.

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I believe the expression is, I CALL BULL****!!

#1 -- It only applies to PROFIT above $250,000, (or above $500,000 for a couple) not the total price of one's home.
#2 -- It only applies if one makes over $200,000 a year ($250K for a couple).

A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home? | FactCheck.org

So, the poor couple who're making $275,000 a year and profit $500,000 on the sale of their home will have to pay, WAIT FOR IT!!! $19,000. Poor things.
19,000 is nothing to you because the $19.000 don't come out of your pocket, so who cares?? Right??
 

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Eventually, the rich will be screwed out of so much of their 'ill gotten gains' that they will no longer be rich. Then who will the Dems get to pay for everything?
 

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Wow. Just completely ignore how wrong you were. Don't let that get in your way.
Follow the posts before you get the wrong assumptions.

The member said it wasn't a big deal if retirees lose 19.000 Dlls. by selling their house., and my response was "19,000 is nothing to you because the $19.000 don't come out of your pocket, so who cares?? Right??

How am I wrong??? She evidently DOES NOT CARE, moreover... Obama said that ObamaCare was free and is not because the $19,000 go towards ObamaCare, so ObamaCare In NOT free!!! Wake up!!
 

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19,000 is nothing to you because the $19.000 don't come out of your pocket, so who cares?? Right??
Let me make this perfectly clear: I will pay $19,000 to get $500,000 in profit every single freakin' day of the week.

Follow the posts before you get the wrong assumptions.

The member said it wasn't a big deal if retirees lose 19.000 Dlls. by selling their house., and my response was "19,000 is nothing to you because the $19.000 don't come out of your pocket, so who cares?? Right?? How am I wrong??? She evidently DOES NOT CARE, moreover... Obama said that ObamaCare was free and is not because the $19,000 go towards ObamaCare, so ObamaCare In NOT free!!! Wake up!!
Let me make this perfectly clear: I will pay $19,000 to get $500,000 in profit every single freakin' day of the week.

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19,000 is nothing to you because the $19.000 don't come out of your pocket, so who cares?? Right??
I thought this came under the category of capital gains.
 

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Wow. Just completely ignore how wrong you were. Don't let that get in your way.
As long as it's money from the wealthy it's not stealing.

You know what would be more fair than anything else.

Let every keep the same percentage of their OWN money.

I wonder what else is hidden in the HC bill?

Taxing every mile we drive?
 

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As long as it's money from the wealthy it's not stealing.

You know what would be more fair than anything else.

Let every keep the same percentage of their OWN money.

I wonder what else is hidden in the HC bill?

Taxing every mile we drive?
Yes, that is fair. I mean, that guy making $10,000 with two kids definitely can afford to pay 30% of his income in taxes!
 

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Here's a novel idea. When we pass a bill, we figure out how taxes can be adjusted to support it, either by being raised or lowered. You can disapprove of the Healthcare bill, you can disapprove of new taxes, but you shouldn't criticize the simple decision to figure out a way to pay for new expenses.

Frankly, I'd like the healthcare bill even less if it included no new taxes because then it would be paid for entirely by borrowing.
This is the thing that kills me about critics of the health care legislation. They continue to put on this face that they're "deficit hawks" yet everytime any new legislation includes a "tax" the first thing you hear the critics do is bitch about it.

Look, I'm all for pressuring Government to be much better stewarts our our tax dollars, but when you come up with new policies geared to help Americans but you don't state how these measures will be paid for all you've done is put the bill on the consumer and force the Government to basically "print" more money or borrow it OR just continue to run up the deficit OR cut programs - some of which may be essential, some not so very much - but in the long run some cuts hurt rather than help.

IMO, our nation's health care system isn't the most cost effective, the most honest nor the most fair. It may be better overall than what most other country's have, but it needed to be changed. People have been getting denied coverage, cheated or "forced" to pay more than they should (double in some cases due to the redundency in many lab tests) and yet we keep hearing words spoken by politicians and lobbyist to the effect that "if it ain't (dreadfully) broke, don't fix it". If you ask me, the people who are making such claims are the people who can afford to pay for their health care virtually out of their own pockets, and that's fine...if you can afford to do so. But what about those who are either struggling to keep up with the rising costs or simply can't afford it?

My co-pay increased $10 (from $25 to $35). Not alot of money, but when everyone in your 6 member household gets sick (i.e., simple cold or flu) and everyone needs to seek medical attention, that's $210 on the spot not to mention the cost of prescription medicines. (Yeah, we could share, but I'm not giving my children meds intended for an adult; sorry...ain't happening. That would be irresponsible.) Now, I've been fortunate that my insurance premiums haven't increased (yet), but the threat of an increase was there long before health care legislation was passed. Unfortunately for some, premiums have already begun to increase but I doubt if all increases were part of health care reform policy. For example, my job recently held a health fair where representatives from the health care industry were present. I spoke to a few reps off the record (because I knew them; they'd been present at these events for years) and asked point blank why the sudden increases (in general throughout the health care industry). Some blamed it on the forthcoming legislation, but most said they were increases cost because the market/economy left them with a decrease in clients. So, they had to make up the difference in the revenue stream but that the increases were also in antipication of what might happen in the coming years. So, it's not just about the new health care policy. It's "business as usually" in most cases.

All I'm saying here, folks, is as much as people are arguing "no new taxes on anybody," the government has to raise the money to pay for this somehow. It just makes sense to apply taxes in ways that make the most sense to pay for it. It's either that or you shut up when your medical bills begin to skyrocket or when the Treasury starts printing money and the deficit continues to spiral out of control. Since the majority of Americans either get their health insurance through their employer I don't think any of us "average working people" can complain all that much. The benefits in health care legislation apply to us far more than they do anyone else. And if you're fortunate enough to be employed, you really don't have anything to worry about. I mean, per the OP, how many of you here own a $400K home anyway? I sure don't! So, why should it bother me that someone who can afford health care will be taxed for it? Granted, maybe the law should have impossed a health care tax on everyone no matter if you receive your health insurance via your employer, Medicaid, Medicare, COBRA, can pay for it on your own or you get it from some other federally sponsored health program. That would have been fair across the board. But as things stand, I really don't see a problem with those who can afford to help those who are struggling financially do more to help lift up their fellow man. I mean, aren't we all taught "charity begins at home?" Don't get me wrong. I know the rich make donations in the millions all the time, but how often do we see things like these medical care tent-cities pop up where everyone who can get to them receive free medical treatment because doctors and nurses volunteered their time and services to help the misfurtunate and the underprivileged? If I could afford to help another who's struggling more than I, I'd do it for sure. Unfortunately, God hasn't blessed me as much as he's done for others. But I'm blessed just the same.

I think we all should take a step back and instead of framing the argument as "redistributing wealth" (even I think it was a poor reference for the President to use), we should be viewing this as "those who can afford to help their fellow man, do so even if it means legislating same to get people to see that this is the right thing to do".
 
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Yes, that is fair. I mean, that guy making $10,000 with two kids definitely can afford to pay 30% of his income in taxes!
Explain how Taking money from the wealthy to GIVE to this guy helps anything? The guy with 2 kids has no incentive to improve his circumstances and the wealthy guy has less incentive to earn more.
What is FAIR is those who work harder should get to keep more of their own money. Those who work less should learn to live with less or work to improve their lives.
Everyone should pay the same percentage in taxes. The guy who makes 10,000 will also be getting things like foodstamps, welfare and Medicaid. He should have some skin in the game.
The wealthy will still be paying a hec of a lot more and won't be recouping it with social programs.
 

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I believe the expression is, I CALL BULL****!!

#1 -- It only applies to PROFIT above $250,000, (or above $500,000 for a couple) not the total price of one's home.
#2 -- It only applies if one makes over $200,000 a year ($250K for a couple).

A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home? | FactCheck.org

So, the poor couple who're making $275,000 a year and profit $500,000 on the sale of their home will have to pay, WAIT FOR IT!!! $19,000. Poor things.
One has to ask why even bother putting this in. A $500,000 profit on a house is relatively rare. So much so that I doubt this portion will ever get real use. Consider the average American home in North East and West is $250,000, South and Midwest $150,000. To sell for $751,000 a $250,000 home is pretty inconceivable. This is only going affect the massive mansion turnover business we see with celebrities.
 

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My wife and I are not rich and well under the 250K limit. We saved like heck when we were both working to afford a comfortable retirement. We do have two homes. what bothers me is the potential of paying this 3.8% tax when we sell our second home. Repleal Obamacare.
From factcheck.org
"Some home sales would see a tax increase under this bill," Ahern told us, "but it would have to be a second home or a principal residence generating [a gain of] more than $250,000 ($500,000 for a couple)."
 

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Nancy Pelosi was right when she said " You have to pass the BILL so you'll know what's in it".
Real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don't kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obama’s re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation.

View attachment 67112485

This is one of the many free Health Benefits, how about that!!! My parents will be thrilled when they decide to downsize and sell their present home.
Thank you Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Democrat Congress and the rest of the Obama Administration.
Yes the Trifecta of Doom, Obama, Pelosi, Reid all knew they were lying every time they said anything about what a wonderful thing they were doing when the whole time is was about the ECONOMY STUPID.

It's all about tanking it and next comes the Cap and Trade Bovine Scatology that will if allowed is going to push the economy into the toilet, allowing Obama his cabal to go the rest of the way into Socialism/Marxism.

November is take back America time.
 

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Yes the Trifecta of Doom, Obama, Pelosi, Reid all knew they were lying every time they said anything about what a wonderful thing they were doing when the whole time is was about the ECONOMY STUPID.

It's all about tanking it and next comes the Cap and Trade Bovine Scatology that will if allowed is going to push the economy into the toilet, allowing Obama his cabal to go the rest of the way into Socialism/Marxism.

November is take back America time.
Ditto!!! We will take America back this Nov.
 

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Ditto!!! We will take America back this Nov.
Sorry to break up the circle-jerk, but what does this even mean ?

Republicans are likely to only win the House, so not only will their ability to change things be very limited, you'll also quickly discover that many of their campaign promises will be put off or even ignored in the face of adversity, dieing quietly.
 
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