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Pelosi urges Biden not to debate Trump

Televised live debates do matter and have since the Nixon - Kennedy debate. In that debate people who heard it on the radio mostly tended to believe Nixon won, and those who saw it on Television believed JFK won.

What Pelosi is afraid of, and should be afraid of, are the Independent voters who might be swayed either way, and who will in all likelihood matter in the swing states, where Biden could either defeat Trump, or lose to him.

The DNC did NOT want Joe Biden, but only a little less than they didn't want Sanders. Dems can't win on substance, and can't win on the message of hope and change. They had that chance, but now all they have left is hoping people buy the fear hype and vote in desperation. In the polls they are losing on that too.
Really? Democrats can't win on the message of hope and change? Let me remind you that under Obama there was a lot of change. The economy went from a near depression to a decade long recovery. The ACA was passed, with Republican objection, and that brought insurance to millions who either were barred, due to preexisting conditions or because it was out of their price ability. Obama also lowered income inequality. That's lots of hope and change.

Biden has a bigger task of undoing the damage done to the government. The Postal Service has been worsened, many think intentionally. The State Department has been decimated -- forcing out seasoned professionals and replaced by ideological hacks. Most of the departments have been loaded with cronies on ideological missions to oppose abortions or other right-wing missions.

Of course, the Trump Admin is in court to have the entire ACA declared unconstitutional, which would drive us back to the bad'ole days. Biden can withdraw that suit before it is heard. We need legislation to guarantee fair elections and other laws that put teeth in nepotism laws and make sure future presidents can't violate the Hatch Act, which Trump does because there are no sanctions if he does.
 
It should be easy for Joe to argue against some of the issues Trump has acted on.

That would include the elimination of ISIS, the fixing of the VA, the border wall, the cutting of red tape, the renegotiation of NAFTA. the restructuring of NATO, moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, his going up against China and North Korea, and several other issues Joe can point to as serious administrative flaws and errors.

Of course maybe Joe hasn't got a good argument against any of these Presidential initiatives.


ISIS has not been defeated/eliminated.

Is ISIS Gone? No, Kurdish Leader Says. - The Atlantic

He did not fix the VA. He helped improve on what Obama had already passed. It would not benefit him to go to deep into this, considering the recent issues with sexual assault and missing personnel that have arose with the military.

Trump Cites the V.A. as a Central Achievement. But Troubles Simmer. - The New York Times

Not everyone (most didnt in fact) wanted a border wall, hence him having to take money from military programs to build the little that got built. And it could be brought up the recent fraud case involving that wall.

Americans Used to Support a Border Wall. What Changed Their Minds? | Cato Institute

Not everyone wanted the US embassy moved to Jerusalem.

He came out looking like a fool with North Korea and China has become a bigger threat now.

A Trump second term could give China an advantage, analyst says

And Biden can bring up Russia offering bounties and reports of harm to those who speak out against Putin.








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How did I contradict myself?

And I said some of them are, which has been proven actually.
Just to clarify. Joe Biden said,

"These guys are rooting for violence, that’s what this is all about. He continues to root for violence. The country will be substantially safer when he is no longer in office.” There is no evidence of this anywhere and Biden made these statements when he was saying a fact checker should be with them during the debates. Neither Trump or anyone working on his campaign has ever encouraged violence. Quite the contrary in fact. Joe Biden lied.


In post 18 you said, "He's correct in this assertion. Trump most certainly is rooting for violence, because he's hoping the riots scare enough white voters in the right states to narrowly give him the election".
That is also untrue and you have no evidence whatsoever to support this assertion, right?

However in the next post I said, "So the rioters are assuring Trump of reelection. Joe should have come out against it three months ago then".

I should not have used the word "Assuring". I should have said 'assisting', which I intended, in which case Biden should have immediately spoken out against it. I was therefore wrong to say you contradicted yourself and apologize.

However, as in the case of there being no evidence that Trump is rooting on the protesters, you have also offered no evidence that any of the rioters are "right wing provocateurs", in which case Biden should have denounced them earlier. Where did you get that information?
 
Nonsense. What territory does ISIS hold, who is their leader, and what international terrorism are they claiming?.
He did not fix the VA. He helped improve on what Obama had already passed. It would not benefit him to go to deep into this, considering the recent issues with sexual assault and missing personnel that have arose with the military.
Obama had eight years to fix the VA but did nothing. Read that times article again and the the picayune complaints being made. All the President can do is pass legislation and the Veterans are much happier now than they were under Obama.
Not everyone (most didnt in fact) wanted a border wall, hence him having to take money from military programs to build the little that got built. And it could be brought up the recent fraud case involving that wall.
He rebuilt the military to keep the country safe and the wall also keeps the country safer. There is no fraud involving the Trump wall.
Not everyone wanted the US embassy moved to Jerusalem.
The people who mattered did, and all the politicians had promised it would be moved. Trump actually did it.
He came out looking like a fool with North Korea and China has become a bigger threat now.
He looked great and the threats have been diminished. Trump is not a fool.
And Biden can bring up Russia offering bounties and reports of harm to those who speak out against Putin.
OK. Don't understand why this is important to Americans.
 
Nonsense. What territory does ISIS hold, who is their leader, and what international terrorism are they claiming?.
Obama had eight years to fix the VA but did nothing. Read that times article again and the the picayune complaints being made. All the President can do is pass legislation and the Veterans are much happier now than they were under Obama.
He rebuilt the military to keep the country safe and the wall also keeps the country safer. There is no fraud involving the Trump wall.The people who mattered did, and all the politicians had promised it would be moved. Trump actually did it.He looked great and the threats have been diminished. Trump is not a fool. OK. Don't understand why this is important to Americans.

I'm one of those veterans, as are many of my relatives.

They can exist without holding any territory. What part of being a terrorist group requires holding territory? They also do not need a known leader to be a threat.

That article points out that Obama signed the first Veterans First Act. That was the foundation. Trump signed legislation that added to that, making improvements not fixing it.

He didnt rebuild the military. I was in the military under the last 4 Presidents, he didn't change anything significant. The wall does not make us safer. It is 5 miles of new wall. And it was done with military morale designated money.

The citizens of this country matter. Their voices matter.

And he was told how the NK talks would go and acted like a child. It is obvious he didn't gain anything, but NK did.

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Dems can't win on substance, and can't win on the message of hope and change. They had that chance, but now all they have left is hoping people buy the fear hype and vote in desperation. In the polls they are losing on that too.

Did you not hear Trump's speech last night? According to him, we should be afraid - very afraid. If Biden is elected it will be as if Armageddon has arrived. There will be massive chaos, rioting, and carnage in every American city. The only way to avoid this is to elect Donald Trump, for he, and he alone, is the only one who can stop this grim apocalyptic vision from becoming reality.

Please, tell us more about the fear mongering of the left.
 
I'm one of those veterans, as are many of my relatives. They can exist without holding any territory. What part of being a terrorist group requires holding territory? They also do not need a known leader to be a threat.
Yes, any terrorist can exist without owning territory, and have, But until Trump took over ISIS controlled a great deal of territory and was committing genocide and terrorism in the Middle East. That has all stopped with Trump's no prisoners approach and, in fact, a welcome treatgy has just been recently signed..

That article points out that Obama signed the first Veterans First Act. That was the foundation. Trump signed legislation that added to that, making improvements not fixing it
.Signing acts is mnot the d=same as taking action, Trump cleaned house and it's appreciated. Strong support for Trump among veterans in new national poll

He didnt rebuild the military. I was in the military under the last 4 Presidents, he didn't change anything significant. The wall does not make us safer. It is 5 miles of new wall. And it was done with military morale designated money.
Top Five Steps Trump Has Taken To Prepare The U.S. Military For Whatever Comes Next

The citizens of this country matter. Their voices matter.
Agree 100%.
And he was told how the NK talks would go and acted like a child. It is obvious he didn't gain anything, but NK did.
What did they gain? No favors or cash was given them, as has been consistent in the past.
 
Said it before and I'll say it again. Trump is a liar. There is no point debating a Liar.

Biden is going to debate.

However, WaPo has over 20,000 false statements logged from the time Trump became President. In his recent FOX and Axios Interviews he touted more lies, and the reporters called him out on the spot. He had his staff run off to gather "evidence" of his statements, which then turned out to prove he was indeed incorrect.

There is zero point of debating a liar, especially when any fact checkers are going to be branded Fake News by his supporters.
 
They need a Hail Mary because the election is over. Might as well politicize simply having the debate. Perhaps just come out and say “democrats don’t debate racist” — maybe something hot like that.
 
Said it before and I'll say it again. Trump is a liar. There is no point debating a Liar.

Biden is going to debate.

However, WaPo has over 20,000 false statements logged from the time Trump became President. In his recent FOX and Axios Interviews he touted more lies, and the reporters called him out on the spot. He had his staff run off to gather "evidence" of his statements, which then turned out to prove he was indeed incorrect.

There is zero point of debating a liar, especially when any fact checkers are going to be branded Fake News by his supporters.
And you trust Clueless Joe to tell the truth, huh? You seem to enjoy irony as much as I do. Joe Biden's lengthy history of fabrication, plagiarism and racial controversy | Just The News
 
So people will be able to see that and thus get a better idea of how Presidential and competant, with a strong command of the facts, that your preferd President will be.

There are maybe 10 people in the entire country who haven't already made up their minds.
 
Just to clarify. Joe Biden said,

"These guys are rooting for violence, that’s what this is all about. He continues to root for violence. The country will be substantially safer when he is no longer in office.” There is no evidence of this anywhere and Biden made these statements when he was saying a fact checker should be with them during the debates. Neither Trump or anyone working on his campaign has ever encouraged violence. Quite the contrary in fact. Joe Biden lied.


In post 18 you said, "He's correct in this assertion. Trump most certainly is rooting for violence, because he's hoping the riots scare enough white voters in the right states to narrowly give him the election".
That is also untrue and you have no evidence whatsoever to support this assertion, right?

However in the next post I said, "So the rioters are assuring Trump of reelection. Joe should have come out against it three months ago then".

I should not have used the word "Assuring". I should have said 'assisting', which I intended, in which case Biden should have immediately spoken out against it. I was therefore wrong to say you contradicted yourself and apologize.

However, as in the case of there being no evidence that Trump is rooting on the protesters, you have also offered no evidence that any of the rioters are "right wing provocateurs", in which case Biden should have denounced them earlier. Where did you get that information?

Trump has in fact encouraged violence in the past, at least with regards to his own supporters.

And considering he's an absolute failure, with zero accomplishments to point to, and a pandemic response he screwed up on because he's an idiot, yes it's VERY likely that Trump wants as much violence as possible, to blame on Biden (a private citizen), and Democrats as a deflection from his own failures and joke of a "record"
 
There are maybe 10 people in the entire country who haven't already made up their minds.

If you wish to disprove that he is mentally gone he has to do it.

I am sure that there are more than you think and if he passes that test he would pick up at least 5%. If he won the debate clearly, with confidence and intelligence, 10%.
 
Really? Democrats can't win on the message of hope and change? Let me remind you that under Obama there was a lot of change.

Yeah, ALL of it BAD!

The economy went from a near depression to a decade long recovery.

You mean a decade SLOW recovery. Slow due massive amounts of regulatory hurdles to businesses imposed by the Obama administration. The president famous for saying, "you didn't build that". BILLIONS of dollars wasted on idiotic solar energy schemes, all of which have FAILED.

The ACA was passed, with Republican objection...

You would think that a person with half a brain would have wanted his landmark legislation to have bi partisan support. But not Obama, he pushed through the ACA when he had a majority in congress; NOBODY even read the bill; Pelosi was famous for saying, "you have to vote on the bill to find out what is in the bill." They lied about being able to keep your own doctor, and the they KNEW that the ACA could not sustain itself economically, but they saw it as the necessary first step for going single payer.



BILLIONS of dollars wasted on idiotic solar energy schemes, all of which have FAILED.

and that brought insurance to millions who either were barred, due to preexisting conditions or because it was out of their price ability.

They didn't need to take over 1/5th of the economy to do that. Pre existing conditions could have been handled with a mandate saying all insurance companies had to honor them.

BILLIONS of dollars wasted on idiotic solar energy schemes, all of which have FAILED.

Obama also lowered income inequality. That's lots of hope and change.

Socialist BS! What in the hell is the business of the government to redistribute wealth? People want more income, then start making better life choices earlier.

BILLIONS of dollars wasted on idiotic solar energy schemes, all of which have FAILED.

Biden has a bigger task of undoing the damage done to the government. The Postal Service has been worsened, many think intentionally. The State Department has been decimated -- forcing out seasoned professionals and replaced by ideological hacks. Most of the departments have been loaded with cronies on ideological missions to oppose abortions or other right-wing missions.

Of course, the Trump Admin is in court to have the entire ACA declared unconstitutional, which would drive us back to the bad'ole days. Biden can withdraw that suit before it is heard. We need legislation to guarantee fair elections and other laws that put teeth in nepotism laws and make sure future presidents can't violate the Hatch Act, which Trump does because there are no sanctions if he does.


Biden is going to lose, so you might as well be prepared for that. Any chance he had of winning is lost now that he is pandering to the AOC and far left. Victory for Democrats is FROM THE MIDDLE--- not the far left. All of the rioting and vandalism being excused by the democrats as "peaceful protest" is adding more and more votes to Trump. And Biden's choice in Harris earns him NOTHING in the swing states he would need to win. Presidents aren't elected by the popular vote, somebody ought to explain that to Sleepy Joe Biden.
 
Looks like Court Jester can only repeat discredited talking points. The claim about Obama's "slow" economy were already addressed.
Here's the one on "They didn't need to take over 1/5th of the economy to do that.."
PolitiFact's 2010 Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

Notice how trying to address income inequality is called Socialism, in the previous post? Since when is raising taxes on the rich so that they don't create dynasties "socialism?" We've been doing that forever.
 
Do you think Biden won't debate Trump?

I suspect anything that Pelosi or whoever can do to lower expectations of Biden will be useful if Biden does anything but drool and **** himself. This is an old tactic for presidential debates.
 
If you wish to disprove that he is mentally gone he has to do it.

I am sure that there are more than you think and if he passes that test he would pick up at least 5%. If he won the debate clearly, with confidence and intelligence, 10%.

He doesn't have to "disprove" casual bull**** spread by his opponents.
 
He doesn't have to "disprove" casual bull**** spread by his opponents.

By fleeing from the debate he makes those claims of him losing his marbles 100% believable.

Not everybody is 100% partisan like you.
 
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