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Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your passion

Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Actually, she is right about that, but I think it is wrong to blame Obamacare. We need less manhours of work due to technology increases, so what constitutes full time should be lowered while providing people with the pay to live their lives because they keep a business workeing and serving others allowing for profit. Eventually people are going to have to realize the forty hour work week was set up in times of heavy industrialization where people were doing most of the work. The reality is that if the 40 hour work week were to be cut to thirty hours then you would see financial pressure to hire more workers and create more jobs. Something would have to be done about the minimum hourly wage in order to compensate also, but salaried workers would find themselves with more time.

That is not a terribly outrageous statement when you think about it a little more than I hate pelosi and everything that falls out of her mouth because faux news told me to.
Youve never actually run a business have you?

Oh I DO love more of that mindless liberal rhetoric. If ONLY we could all be more like liberals and build business models after liberal mindsets. Then we too would all be as successful as them.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Youve never actually run a business have you?

Oh I DO love more of that mindless liberal rhetoric. If ONLY we could all be more like liberals and build business models after liberal mindsets. Then we too would all be as successful as them.

So that's where the idea that cutting taxes for the wealthy and borrowing from foreign banks came from. Anybody in the world who tried to run a business the way Reagan ran the U S government would have been bankrupt in two years. The only thing that crooked son-of-a-bitch cared about was his unbelievable tax cuts for the wealthy. This country used to pay for it's spending:

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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Actually, she is right about that, but I think it is wrong to blame Obamacare. We need less manhours of work due to technology increases, so what constitutes full time should be lowered while providing people with the pay to live their lives because they keep a business workeing and serving others allowing for profit. Eventually people are going to have to realize the forty hour work week was set up in times of heavy industrialization where people were doing most of the work. The reality is that if the 40 hour work week were to be cut to thirty hours then you would see financial pressure to hire more workers and create more jobs. Something would have to be done about the minimum hourly wage in order to compensate also, but salaried workers would find themselves with more time.

That is not a terribly outrageous statement when you think about it a little more than I hate pelosi and everything that falls out of her mouth because faux news told me to.

As Vance noted, you really don't understand why a business exists, do you? They don't exist to create jobs for people. They exist to provide a profit for those who created them, while providing a service or product people need or want.

In order to do this, they hire people to help them. It's called a job. It is not the job creator's responsibility to make sure he pays the employee enough money for them to live on, it is the employees responsibility to make sure they earn enough to support themselves and family, if any. They are completely separate things.

Not liking what falls out of Pelosi's mouth has nothing to do with Fox news. Some of us live beyond what the media puts out there, since the media paints pictures with tainted oils. ;)
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

So that's where the idea that cutting taxes for the wealthy and borrowing from foreign banks came from. Anybody in the world who tried to run a business the way Reagan ran the U S government would have been bankrupt in two years. The only thing that crooked son-of-a-bitch cared about was his unbelievable tax cuts for the wealthy. This country used to pay for it's spending:

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You do realize that presidents have, constitutonally, almost no impact on federal spending right? Congress determines spending and all spending and all spending bills must originate in the house of representatives. Further since Gerald Ford vetoed a huge - for that time - pork laden, water works bill the congressional approach has been to do the whole budget at once rather than indvidual departments therby giving the president the choice of shutting down government or signing the damn thing like it or not.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

The thought that during the Obama administration taxes have been lower is a very nice talking point. However one must understand "tax" has in some cases been redefined as a "fee" or some other such nonsense, and that back door taxes like the ones on medical devices, or the carbon tax aren't added into these wonderful little charts that are posted up as evidence. Even if they were, I'd suggest, someone in the WH would rework the calculation with some fuzzy math to still make it look lower, (ie., the unemployment rate). It's all a big game of hide the pickle and if you can't hide it, call it a "green sour cylinder thing".
 
Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your p

As Vance noted, you really don't understand why a business exists, do you? They don't exist to create jobs for people. They exist to provide a profit for those who created them, while providing a service or product people need or want.

In order to do this, they hire people to help them. It's called a job. It is not the job creator's responsibility to make sure he pays the employee enough money for them to live on, it is the employees responsibility to make sure they earn enough to support themselves and family, if any. They are completely separate things.

Not liking what falls out of Pelosi's mouth has nothing to do with Fox news. Some of us live beyond what the media puts out there, since the media paints pictures with tainted oils. ;)

You are not looking at WHAT jobs are creating... None of you...

This is a false dichotomy here, since the "jobs" that are being created are not the jobs you guys are talking about.

Let's say you had a group of 1000 people, half of which are unemployed currently. Hours are going to drop almost in half, so, 300 people will be cut in hours providing 6000 man-hours per week rather than 12000 man-hours that this sample segment of the population provided and was needed for the operation of the companies they all work with.

So, these companies will hire an additional 300 people to ensure that the companies have a full staff for the full periods that they operate.

A portion of these jobs will be taken up by employed people who need their 40 hours to afford to live, so they will work multiple jobs, and a portion will be people who are now employed at part-time levels.

So ya, jobs are "created" but that's just to fill the void of individuals having reduced their standards. It's a shell game.

Over time though, when people cannot afford things as much anymore, the overall money flowing through the economy will dry up and then some of those jobs will be lost...

Debating left-right job creation methods is completely moot since these are not "new" jobs except that there are more people working to cover for the lost production of reducing hours to get out of these costs.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your p

You are not looking at WHAT jobs are creating... None of you...

This is a false dichotomy here, since the "jobs" that are being created are not the jobs you guys are talking about.

Let's say you had a group of 1000 people, half of which are unemployed currently. Hours are going to drop almost in half, so, 300 people will be cut in hours providing 6000 man-hours per week rather than 12000 man-hours that this sample segment of the population provided and was needed for the operation of the companies they all work with.

So, these companies will hire an additional 300 people to ensure that the companies have a full staff for the full periods that they operate.

A portion of these jobs will be taken up by employed people who need their 40 hours to afford to live, so they will work multiple jobs, and a portion will be people who are now employed at part-time levels.

So ya, jobs are "created" but that's just to fill the void of individuals having reduced their standards. It's a shell game.

Over time though, when people cannot afford things as much anymore, the overall money flowing through the economy will dry up and then some of those jobs will be lost...

Debating left-right job creation methods is completely moot since these are not "new" jobs except that there are more people working to cover for the lost production of reducing hours to get out of these costs.

I'm not discussing left-right theories of job creation, what I made a point of saying is that the employer is not responsible to make sure people can live to their assumed standards of living by what they pay. Just because a job is only 30 hours, does not mean the rate of pay needs to rise to satisfy the employees monetarily wants/needs. It means the employee must seek out additional employment for how many hours necessary to satisfy those wants/needs. Just because someone is working less hours does not mean that the value of their production has changed any.

Clearer now?
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

You do realize that presidents have, constitutonally, almost no impact on federal spending right? Congress determines spending and all spending and all spending bills must originate in the house of representatives. Further since Gerald Ford vetoed a huge - for that time - pork laden, water works bill the congressional approach has been to do the whole budget at once rather than indvidual departments therby giving the president the choice of shutting down government or signing the damn thing like it or not.


Well...maybe it's all just coincidence. To me tax cuts for the wealthy is the common denominator to the screwed up shape we're in. Reagan and the Bushes cut taxes, Clinton increased taxes and VOILA!!

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)Tax Rates Slashed To Depression Levels

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

These days the embarrassment should be directed to the Republican house. In
my lifetime I've never seen such a collection of out of touch buffoons.....'course I'm just 79.

The facts of the matter is that modern Republicans live in an isolated, hermetically sealed bubble and I'm just hoping they continue on their present path because if they do they will lose the house in 2014.

In the last two years they haven't accomplished **** and have blocked every reasonable thing the president was trying to do. History will show the facts....well, for everyone except Fox News. They're allergic to the facts....they have their own.

There are 40 House Jobs bills sitting in the Senate waiting for a vote that will never come.

You simply have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Yeah. My passion is rapidly becoming the political destruction of idiots like Pelosi.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Well...maybe it's all just coincidence. To me tax cuts for the wealthy is the
common denominator to the screwed up shape we're in. Reagan and the Bushes cut taxes, Clinton increased taxes and VOILA!!

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)Tax Rates Slashed To Depression Levels

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Why are you so dishonest ?

Bush only signed 3 out of the 12 spending appropiations bills from 2009.

Obama signed the rest plus wasted a Trillion dollars on a " stimulus" that only stimulated Government debt.

And your STUPID chart stop where Obama took off.

It doesn't add in his 7 trillion in new debt.

What ? Is your argument so desperately empty that you jave to make up stuff up and lie by ommision ?
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

There are 40 House Jobs bills sitting in the Senate waiting for a vote that will never come.

You simply have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

I know that the Republican party has gone to hell in a hand basket and I know that I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections and barring some absolute miracle or act of god they will lose the house next year. Act of God....LMAO!!
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

So that's where the idea that cutting taxes for the wealthy and borrowing from foreign banks came from. Anybody in the world who tried to run a business the way Reagan ran the U S government would have been bankrupt in two years. The only thing that crooked son-of-a-bitch cared about was his unbelievable tax cuts for the wealthy. This country used to pay for it's spending:

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Dood...do you have the actual intellectual capacity to follow a conversation...ANY conversation without your mindless diversion to "But BUSH! BUT REAGAN! BUT REPUBLICANS!

You are beyond even worthlessness.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

I am not sure if this belongs at the same plane of holy-crap-what-set-of-medications-is-she-on as her claim that Obamacare would create "400,000 jobs almost immediately".... but it's pretty friggin up there.


.... and she has the temerity to accuse Republicans of being tone-deaf..... :roll:

The Great Bush/GOP Recession is what has caused the rise in part time jobs. How many times do you need to be told this?

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The Great Bush/GOP Recession is what has caused the rise in part time jobs. How many times do you need to be told this?

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You can tell that lie until you're blue in the face. I'll never buy it, and neither will anybody who actually pays attention with an eye for the truth. So keep repeating it. You look worse every time you do.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

These days the embarrassment should be directed to the Republican house. In my lifetime I've never seen such a collection of out of touch buffoons.....'course I'm just 79.

The facts of the matter is that modern Republicans live in an isolated, hermetically sealed bubble and I'm just hoping they continue on their present path because if they do they will lose the house in 2014.

In the last two years they haven't accomplished **** and have blocked every reasonable thing the president was trying to do. History will show the facts....well, for everyone except Fox News. They're allergic to the facts....they have their own.

The Great Bush/GOP Recession is what has caused the rise in part time jobs. How many times do you need to be told this?
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Campbell, meet iguanaman.
iguanaman, meet Campbell.

For dutifully regurgitating leftist talking points, Ms. Pelosi has prepared a prize for you both in the back and will tell you what it is - as soon as she finishes reading it... :thumbs:
 
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Dood...do you have the actual intellectual capacity to follow a conversation...ANY conversation without your mindless diversion to "But BUSH! BUT REAGAN! BUT REPUBLICANS!

You are beyond even worthlessness.

I'm still pissed off because I voted Republican when they stood for something besides corporations and big business. Don't look for much of a change any time soon. I wouldn't give them enough warm urine to take a pill.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

I'm still pissed off because I voted Republican when they stood for something besides corporations and big business. Don't look for much of a change any time soon. I wouldn't give them enough warm urine to take a pill.
I wouldnt dream of looking for change in you. You are a miserable 79 year old myopic partisan hack...I cant imagine the first 78 years were much better.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

I wouldnt dream of looking for change in you. You are a miserable 79 year old myopic partisan hack...I cant imagine the first 78 years were much better.

LOL...I can always tell when I'm on top. Some punk prick starts calling me names and insulting me. You should be so miserable.
 
I'm still pissed off because I voted Republican when they stood for something besides corporations and big business. Don't look for much of a change any time soon. I wouldn't give them enough warm urine to take a pill.

Republicans stand for nothing but corporations and big business, and you think Democrats don't, for some reason??? Lol
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

LOL...I can always tell when I'm on top. Some punk prick starts calling me names and insulting me. You should be so miserable.
You see Reagan in your oatmeal...that speaks volumes about you.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

Republicans stand for nothing but corporations and big business, and you think Democrats don't, for some reason??? Lol

Take a look at tax rates. It ain't rocket science:

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Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your p

I'm not discussing left-right theories of job creation, what I made a point of saying is that the employer is not responsible to make sure people can live to their assumed standards of living by what they pay.

You are right... When I've run crews it was never my concern how often people working for me would show up Monday after payday with no money left... It actually annoyed me greatly.


Just because a job is only 30 hours, does not mean the rate of pay needs to rise to satisfy the employees monetarily wants/needs.

It's worse though because if you gotta limit people to 4-6 hours a day and you need someone else to cover, there needs to be some overlap and so I would expect MORE efficiency from the worker for the time they are there for the same rate of pay (except I preferred contract work because hourly workers tend to try to take advantage) because there's efficiency lost with the changeover.

It means the employee must seek out additional employment for how many hours necessary to satisfy those wants/needs. Just because someone is working less hours does not mean that the value of their production has changed any.

Clearer now?

Yes. To be fair I was tending to agree with your position more than the other person I was equally referring to.

The point though was that this is only creating jobs (that will probably have lower rates of pay, unless they are at minimums) as a shell game where there's no increase in actual jobs but rather just more people to cover the same man hours of work.
 
Re: Pelosi: Obamacare Killing the 40 Hour workweek means more time to follow your pas

The Great Bush/GOP Recession is what
has caused the rise in part time jobs. How many times do you need to be told this?

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I think the Liberals here are starting to believe their own lies and false narratives.

Its a bit pathetic.
 
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You are right... When I've run crews it was never my concern how often people working for me would show up Monday after payday with no money left... It actually annoyed me greatly.

It's worse though because if you gotta limit people to 4-6 hours a day and you need someone else to cover, there needs to be some overlap and so I would expect MORE efficiency from the worker for the time they are there for the same rate of pay (except I preferred contract work because hourly workers tend to try to take advantage) because there's efficiency lost with the changeover.

Yes. To be fair I was tending to agree with your position more than the other person I was equally referring to.

The point though was that this is only creating jobs (that will probably have lower rates of pay, unless they are at minimums) as a shell game where there's no increase in actual jobs but rather just more people to cover the same man hours of work.

Several employers are not limiting the per day hours as much as the total hours worked. If a worker only has 29 hours available to them, to keep the flow going and the productivity up, a 3 and a half day work week has the best productivity. Depending on what the job is, such as retail, three 8 hour shifts and then a short shift, then do the same with another worker.

It seems they feel it is more reasonable for travel time and expense to the employee, scheduling purposes and still getting the best productivity from each.
 
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