Pelosi has a new fan

[Amelia]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

 

[tres borrachos]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

I won't label myself a fan of hers, but I do admire her, and I do believe much of what you say is true. I think she's a very strong deal maker - certainly stronger than Trump himself is. If she can get things done in this country, and can figure out a way to make Trump actually behave and do some work, I'm all about it.

I think she is going to have a very successful term as Speaker.

 

[Phys251]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

Welcome aboard. She may not be perfect, but on this side of the aisle, you're allowed to claim that someone is imperfect and still support them. We did this all the time with Obama, and now we're doing it with Pelosi.

HR 1 is a good start. So is the way she has been working to make sure that progressives are accepted as party of the party.

 

[Chillfolks]

Welcome aboard. She may not be perfect, but on this side of the aisle, you're allowed to claim that someone is imperfect and still support them. We did this all the time with Obama, and now we're doing it with Pelosi.

HR 1 is a good start. So is the way she has been working to make sure that progressives are accepted as party of the party.

Is that only something you guys can do or are Republicans and Independents allowed to both be critical of and support a candidate

 

[Rexedgar]

Is that only something you guys can do or are Republicans and Independents allowed to both be critical of and support a candidate

Who’s the “candidate?” ............:lol:

 

[markjs]

Is that only something you guys can do or are Republicans and Independents allowed to both be critical of and support a candidate

Criticisms of herr Trump are VERBOTEN!

Of course as he's the best president ever, there's nothing to critisize, right?:roll:

 

[Amelia]

Criticisms of herr Trump are VERBOTEN!

Of course as he's the best president ever, there's nothing to critisize, right?:roll:

I have found that with many Trump supporters it doesn't take much encouragement to get them to admit that he's a nasty piece of excrement who wallows in lies and ignorance and needs to STFU. Where it goes from there gets trickier, since somehow he's supposedly still a good president and his cluster**** administration is some brilliant long game. :shrug:

 

[Bullseye]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

It's going to be interesting for her. She only won the Speakership by two votes with fifteen dems not voting for her. I'm wondering how she's going to deal with her crew of young rebels (some of which voted for her) when there's a contention between more traditional Dems and the young Turks. I see a parallel between this and the 2010 election when a bunch of Tea Party Republicans got in and made it hard on Boehner.

 

[markjs]

I have found that with many Trump supporters it doesn't take much encouragement to get them to admit that he's a nasty piece of excrement who wallows in lies and ignorance and needs to STFU. Where it goes from there gets trickier, since somehow he's supposedly still a good president and his cluster**** administration is some brilliant long game. :shrug:

More like what they got done anyone could have done. They might have got a lot more of their agenda through with a competent man at the helm. They have bought into the nonsense **** show and it's pathetic cuz I doubt most of them will ever see where they were wrong. The man is a fraud, through and through, always has been always will be.

 

[Chillfolks]

Criticisms of herr Trump are VERBOTEN!

Of course as he's the best president ever, there's nothing to critisize, right?:roll:

Not sure where you came up with that notion. Trump gets critsised regularly by the right.

 

[Fishking]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

"Sane" is an interesting word to use. What part of her is the sane part? The incoherent babbling? The tenuous grasp on the English language, the one she's been speaking her whole life?

 

[markjs]

Not sure where you came up with that notion. Trump gets critsised regularly by the right.

There's a few posters who are regulars here, you know who they are as well as I do....

I'm sure if King TangFace crapped on a platter and called it "pate'" they'd gladly feast on it and compliment the chef.:roll:

 

[Mr Person]

Not sure where you came up with that notion. Trump gets critsised regularly by the right.

He regularly gets criticized by people that most of the DP right call "RINO".

Praise be to them, but if he really did get regularly criticized by the right he might just lay off on some of his ****ing bull****.

 

[Chillfolks]

There's a few posters who are regulars here, you know who they are as well as I do....

I'm sure if King TangFace crapped on a platter and called it "pate'" they'd gladly feast on it and compliment the chef.:roll:

Sure there are ideologues here on both sides. There are folks here that if Pelosi pissed on them would swear it was an example of global warming that caused warm rain to fall down their back. If Pelosi or Trump found a cure for cancer there are people that would raise hell because they didn't cure AIDS

 

[Amelia]

There's a few posters who are regulars here, you know who they are as well as I do....

I'm sure if King TangFace crapped on a platter and called it "pate'" they'd gladly feast on it and compliment the chef.:roll:

How do you know Trump's crap isn't an exquisite delicacy? Have you ever tried it? Trump's intestinal track is worth 15 trillion dollars. You're ignorant to think that you are in a position to judge how Trump's 15 trillion dollar crap would taste. His fecal matter is in high demand for transplants. I get phone calls every day telling me how wonderful his fecal transplants are. His feces would make a good general.

 

[Casca XV]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

She will make Trump more popular by showing Americans just how repulsive and ridiculous his opposition. I want her and the rest of the Left as visible as possible.

 

[Amelia]

She will make Trump more popular by showing Americans just how repulsive and ridiculous his opposition. I want her and the rest of the Left as visible as possible.

She will help Trump accomplish constructive things which the Senate was willing to do but which the Freedom Caucus was standing in the way of.

Trump liked the idea of bipartisan dealing before. His news conference today sounded like he would be in favor of it again.

Now that the no-compromise Freedom Caucus has had its power stripped, maybe deals can happen.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

There's a few posters who are regulars here, you know who they are as well as I do....

I'm sure if King TangFace crapped on a platter and called it "pate'" they'd gladly feast on it and compliment the chef.:roll:

But it is pate.

 

[justabubba]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

it would appear you are in good company:

After two weeks of the federal government being shut down, President Donald Trump is now less popular than new Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
... Pelosi has a favorable rating of 38% and an unfavorable rating of 48%, a gap of 10 points.
However, Trump has a favorable rating is 40% compared to an unfavorable rating of 58%, a gap of 18 points.

“For the first time during Trump’s presidency, though, Trump is more disliked than Pelosi,” ...

this is certain to drive tRump up a (concrete) wall
the thoughts of which give me a chuckle; no tingle, just a chuckle

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/ba...s-polls-now-tops-trump-first-time-presidency/

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

Uhhhh yeah-NO.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

I admire you optimism but nothing will be done in a sane way until the orange sphincter is out of the Whitehouse.

But yeah Nancy has been around the block a few times and knows how deals are made. And I think she's going eat Trump and is amateurs for breakfast.

 

[lurchadams]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

trump can't be seen cooperating in any way with Pelosi. His base would crucify him. Putin's fine - he's only a murderous despot - which is ok with trump fans. But Pelosi?? No way, Jose!!!!

 

[Amelia]

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

Uhhhh yeah-NO.

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trump can't be seen cooperating in any way with Pelosi. His base would crucify him. Putin's fine - he's only a murderous despot - which is ok with trump fans. But Pelosi?? No way, Jose!!!!

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Same answer to both .... his base will stay with him no matter what. If he makes a deal where Pelosi gives him anything from his wishlist, his base will crow and say "this is why we sent him to Washington -- this is what he does -- he makes deals." It doesn't matter how big the item is from his wishlist. If there's nominally anything in it that Trump ever said he wanted, he'll declare victory and his base will follow right along.

AND ... if he and the Democrats strike a bargain, it will win nods of approval from some of the independents and centrist Republicans who have been sort of waiting in the wings wanting to see some sign, any sign, that Trump would act like a grown-up and Washington could make a show of being functional.

That could get Trump's numbers over 50%.

 

[Surrealistik]

I have recently done a 180 on Pelosi. Last year I posted how it would be a step backward for Pelosi to be speaker. And I still credit her with a big hand in the missteps which ultimately led to the embarrassing Democratic collapse of 2016. And while I still am sad that Democrats have so much work undone in building a new generation of leaders, I am now a Pelosi fan.

Ironically, she could be the best thing that happened to Trump's presidency -- she could help get his poll numbers above 50%.

She knows how to make deals. She could change how business is done in Washington. And if things start getting done in a sane enough way to get her stamp of approval, then Trump will have some achievements to claim.

I've warmed to her a bit in light of HR1, but she has a lot to prove and a lot to make up and atone for, particularly that 'paygo' nonsense which is a not so subtle attempt to contain progressive ambitions ( https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules ). I mean it was essentially the first thing she did upon hitting the pavement, despite this sort of legislation being absolutely nowhere in the Dem platform whatsoever; that's no coincidence. Without a doubt, the whole point is to provide ready made excuses and obstacles to wildly popular policies that establishment Dems contrastingly aren't at all fond of. Perhaps I might get pleasantly surprised when Dems collectively turn around and go full on tax and spend per the strictures of paygo to achieve these ends, but I personally wouldn't hold my breath.

That said, I disagree with your premise that someone who has been so utterly defined by Washington, and who is one of the most notoriously status quo politicos around, could well change how business is done within it, which is probably her most fundamental problem.

Overall, I'm open to liking Pelosi, but she's got a long way to go, and a great deal to prove in light of both her past and present, particularly her opposition to all things popular, ambitious and progressive.

 

[Amelia]

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That said, I disagree with your premise that someone who has been so utterly defined by Washington could well change how business is done within it, which is probably her most fundamental problem.

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Right now, business isn't happening. The past two years of the GOP not being able to do much of anything (other steal a couple of trillion from our grandchildren to make the rich richer). And that's after six years of the GOP jamming Obama up.

So, if business starts happening again, that will be changing how business has been done in Washington for the past several years.