Pedophiles Unite! An ACLU Crusade (1 Viewer)

[aquapub]

Their positions are allied with child molesters on every single issue. They target traditional America (look up their crusades against the Boy Scouts, for example), they uphold anything that undermines it (they've opposed each and every national security policy change since 9/11-even the policies Clinton wanted), and they constantly crusade against Christians while refusing to get involved in egregious ACTUAL violations of civil liberties in the name of beloved Islam.

Innocently fighting for civil liberties, MY ***! :roll:



If there are any doubts about any of this, I will provide whatever links are necessary, or you can look at other ACLU threads in which I have posted links already.

 

[jamesrage]

Their positions are allied with child molesters on every single issue. They target traditional America (look up their crusades against the Boy Scouts, for example), they uphold anything that undermines it (they've opposed each and every national security policy change since 9/11-even the policies Clinton wanted), and they constantly crusade against Christians while refusing to get involved in egregious ACTUAL violations of civil liberties in the name of beloved Islam.

Innocently fighting for civil liberties, MY ***! :roll:



If there are any doubts about any of this, I will provide whatever links are necessary, or you can look at other ACLU threads in which I have posted links already.

Any one who helps pedophilers should be demonized in the media.

 

[Australianlibertarian]

The problem for the ACLU is that they are defending people that actually harm and infringe the rights of others, (in my mind sexual assault is up there with murder as the most henious of crimes) what the ACLU needs to understand that freedom of speech and expression and other constitutional admenments should be put into context that minors, and other people's human rights should not be harmed. So maybe if they put that into context, the ACLU may back away from defending sex offenders. :twocents:

 

[jujuman13]

What the ACLU needs to understand is that freedom of speech and expression and other constitutional admendments should be put into context, such that minors, and other people's human rights should not be harmed.


EXACTLY

And until they do understand this simple point, they will be seen for precisely waht they at present are........A subversive organization bent on destruction of our civil & moral rights.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Their positions are allied with child molesters on every single issue. They target traditional America (look up their crusades against the Boy Scouts, for example), they uphold anything that undermines it (they've opposed each and every national security policy change since 9/11-even the policies Clinton wanted), and they constantly crusade against Christians while refusing to get involved in egregious ACTUAL violations of civil liberties in the name of beloved Islam.

Innocently fighting for civil liberties, MY ***! :roll:



If there are any doubts about any of this, I will provide whatever links are necessary, or you can look at other ACLU threads in which I have posted links already.

Yes, please do post links that sustain each and every claim you make in your poll. As a card carrying member of the ACLU, I'll gladly debate each point.

BTW - ACLU membership is at an all time high with over 500,000 members.

Oh yeah, F#*k the Boy Scouts, the homophobic little hate group. I'm with my Libertarian friend Penn Jillette on that one!

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Yeah someone else here watches Bulls hit!

 

[hipsterdufus]

Yeah someone else here watches Bulls hit!

Love that show!

 

[jennyb]

i used to think the aclu was a good organization, but they really seem to break their back to defend the VERY undefendable.

 

[jamesrage]

Yes, please do post links that sustain each and every claim you make in your poll. As a card carrying member of the ACLU, I'll gladly debate each point.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/b..._21221143.shtml
INDIANAPOLIS, June 1, 2006 (UPI) -- The American Civil Liberties Union is challenging an Indianapolis city ordinance on sex offenders the group claims is vague and impossible to uphold.

The ordinance prohibits sex offenders convicted of crimes against children from being within 1,000 feet of playgrounds, recreation centers, swimming pools, sports fields or facilities when children are around.



http://www.aclu.org/privacy/speech/...eg20020508.html

H. R. 4623, the "Child Obscenity and Pornography Prevention Act of 2002" is a hasty attempt drafted by the Department of Justice to override the United States Supreme Court's decision in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. ____ (2002). While the intentions of the authors may be good, the bill is fatally flawed. We therefore urge you to vote against this bill.


http://www.aclu-nj.org/issues/priva...underattack.htm

The ACLU-NJ continues to be involved in the ongoing legal challenges to Megan's Law, the New Jersey statute requiring local police to notify neighbors that they are living near certain sexual offenders deemed likely to reoffen


THe ACLU is also against the sex offender registry.
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.../604180360/1002

MONTPELIER — Vermont should dismantle its online sex offender registry after two men listed on the Maine registry were fatally shot this weekend, the American Civil Liberties Union said Monday.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18029
ACLU defends child-molester group







So go ahead and defend the pedophiler sympathizing actions of the rats in the ACLU.

BTW - ACLU membership is at an all time high with over 500,000 members.

So there are 500,000 people who wish to destroy our country?How many of them sympathize with child predators like the vermin in the above articles?

 

[hipsterdufus]

i used to think the aclu was a good organization, but they really seem to break their back to defend the VERY undefendable.

You could make the same claim about defense attornies. For example, does a murderer deserve a fair trail? I say yes. That doesn't mean I support murder, but that I support our judicial system.

The pedophile stuff is such an incredibly small portion of what the ACLU does. For example, during my time with the ACLU we local chapter in Pittsburgh has:

1. Worked on taking ID out of public educaton in Dover
2. Passed resolutions in several municipalities against sneek and peek provisions of Patriot Act.
3. Fought against unconstitutional restrictions on GOTV efforts
4. Served as free legal council for those needing legal help at anti war demonstrations.
5. Helped document FBI & NSA spying on local Thomas Merton Center
6. Lobbied local businesses to pledge to not fire employees because of sexual orientation. (You can fire someone for being gay in 39 states)

Never have we dealt with a pedophile case. The only time anything close to that came up was when someone arrested for public urination after a Steeler game was suing to not be listed as a sex offender (that's the way the law is currently written)

 

[jamesrage]

You could make the same claim about defense attornies. For example, does a murderer deserve a fair trail? I say yes. That doesn't mean I support murder, but that I support our judicial system.

The last time I checked the lawer has a choice not to defend someone.

 

[aquapub]

1) Yes, please do post links that sustain each and every claim you make in your poll.

2) As a card carrying member of the ACLU, I'll gladly debate each point.

3) BTW - ACLU membership is at an all time high with over 500,000 members.

4) Oh yeah, F#*k the Boy Scouts, the homophobic little hate group. I'm with my Libertarian friend Penn Jillette on that one!

1) Here are a few links. Note that many of them are even liberal sources. I retrieved many of these from Lexis Nexis. Links to Lexis Nexis don't work on this site so I had to go to individual web pages to establish links. A couple of the articles I referenced here required a subscription to access, so I just posted all their info, so that they can be verified at a library if anyone cares that much:

The Boston Globe. December 12, 2000. Pg. B3. "ACLU ASKS JUDGE TO THROW OUT CURLEY SUIT AGAINST NAMBLA."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...boy-daily.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0402270920.asp

The Boston Herald. July 18, 2001, Pg. 028. "ACLU terms NAMBLA suit a 'witch hunt.'"

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/projects/predators/v-print/story/14180844p-15008018c.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20050307/ai_n12945574

http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Documentation/Lists/doc_e10_dec_00.htm

Ottawa Citizen. May 15, 2004. James Gordon; Pg. B1. "When predators become the prey: A Citizen reporter goes inside the secret world of the law-enforcement officials who hunt down monsters who victimize children using the Internet."

2) Your membership reinforces my contention that the ACLU is made up of narrow partisan bigots, unthinking hysterics, and constitutional butchers.

3) Ad Populum. Being "popular" doesn't make it any less wrong or sick. Hitler had a lot of followers. That number (if it's true) is more telling about the brain dead liberal sheep who mindlessly buy the ACLU's promotional rhetoric than it is about the ACLU.

4) Thank you for demonstrating how out of the mainstream you people are. This lunatic interpretation of such a harmless, foundational American organization demonstrates my argument for #3 all by itself. :lol:

 

[aquapub]

1) does a murderer deserve a fair trail? I say yes. That doesn't mean I support murder, but that I support our judicial system.

2) The pedophile stuff is such an incredibly small portion of what the ACLU does.

1) But if you defend a group who is printing "rape and escape" brochures and having conventions to teach pedophiles how to lure kids and get away with it, you are defending something that is not only sick, but a crime as well. That is what the ACLU does. So don't try to throw up this simplistic smokescreen to defend these pieces of crap and expect that to fly.

2) Yes, when there are terrorists to get out of jail, murderers to get off on technicalities, etc...We know the ACLU is busy screwing over this country in other ways too, but that's irrelevant here. You are trying to draw everyone's attention to the gray area examples, which don't show us where the ACLU's boundaries are and how far they take this crap.

If you ask most people whether they would rather have their ID in the public education system (gasp) and have pedophiles locked away or have pedophiles running free and no ID in the public educational system, they are all going to say the same thing. There is no way to justify this organizations loyalty to the criminal conspiracy endeavors of NAMBLA.

 

[doughgirl]

“BTW - ACLU membership is at an all time high with over 500,000 members”

Which points out why we are going down the toilet! Why we are slidin down that slippery slope.

“Oh yeah, F#*k the Boy Scouts, the homophobic little hate group. I'm with my Libertarian friend Penn Jillette on that one!”

Oh hes a real good role model isn't he. :rofl

Hey, hey, hey?????????????????? Aren’t you tolerant of others opinions? Why I can’t believe it, a liberal like yourself……..not being tolerant.

Yea this group works real hard all over the country to ban the Bible because they claim its hate language….then they turn around and protect NAMBLA literature. They defend pedophile organizations and pedophiles. Every hear of Jeff Curley Hipsterdufus?

“The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be "a gross violation of privacy."
Source:

Twilight of Liberty: The Legacy of the ACLU
Donahue William
(Transaction Publishers)

What an interesting fact that the ACLU has been closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States.
Weren’t they probed in the early 30’s by the United States House of Representatives special committee to investigate communist activities in the United States?

ACLU legitimate?

In 1969, David Gumaer a police undercover agent, revealed that “206 past leading members of the ACLU had a combined record of 1,754 officially cited Communist front affiliations. “ Source: (Documentation about Gumaer was taken from William Donahue, The Politics of the American Civil Liberties Union (Piscataway, N.J.: Transaction Books, 1985).

And to think we have a radical liberal Supreme Court Justice who was heavily involved with the ACLU. Ruthie Ginsberg. Now that is scary.


The ACLU has current policies advocating the legalization of child porn distribution and possession. And if that doesn’t make your stomach churn I don’t know what would. You tell me whose side they are on?

They want to lower the age of consent to 12 eventually getting rid of it altogether. They say this should happen because restricting sexual relations with kids just makes children all the more curious. ha ha They want to allow private possession of child pornography. They also want to make kids aged 16 and up eligible to be prostitutes and appear in porno films. They want to legalize sex with animals and going naked in public. Oh and they want to legalize all drugs. Ahhhhh yet they do not think you as a citizen have the right to bear arms. Hilarious.


You talk about civil liberties? Well whose are we talking about? They jump at the chance to go to bat for criminals and those who want to break and get around the law. ACLU lawyers rush to come to the aid of anyone who has a conflict with morality or civil disobedience or anything that eats away particularly at the foundation of biblical morality. they sue the government because they think pedaphiles deserve conjugal vists......they lost that one suit.

They are against Jessicas law...

http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/archives/003583.html

"Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman founded the ACLU in 1920 along with three other organizations dedicated to the most leftist of causes. The histories of these two individuals belie their claims of patriotism and respect for the Constitution.

Baldwin openly sought the utter destruction of American society. Fifteen years after the founding of the ACLU, Baldwin wrote:

I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself … I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

( Source: The ACLU vs America : Exposing the AGenda to Redefine Moral Values by Alan Sears and Craig Osten)

Not much different from the goals they have today.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Hey, hey, hey?????????????????? Aren’t you tolerant of others opinions? Why I can’t believe it, a liberal like yourself……..not being tolerant.

I'm not tolerant of groups like the boy scouts that discriminiate with my tax dollars. NCLB has in it a provision that the Boy Scouts can be in any school too. Bite me. Sorry, the Boy Scouts can bend up and sniff my anal vapors.

 

[hipsterdufus]

1) Here are a few links. Note that many of them are even liberal sources. I retrieved many of these from Lexis Nexis. Links to Lexis Nexis don't work on this site so I had to go to individual web pages to establish links. A couple of the articles I referenced here required a subscription to access, so I just posted all their info, so that they can be verified at a library if anyone cares that much:

The Boston Globe. December 12, 2000. Pg. B3. "ACLU ASKS JUDGE TO THROW OUT CURLEY SUIT AGAINST NAMBLA."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...boy-daily.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0402270920.asp

The Boston Herald. July 18, 2001, Pg. 028. "ACLU terms NAMBLA suit a 'witch hunt.'"

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/projects/predators/v-print/story/14180844p-15008018c.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20050307/ai_n12945574

http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Documentation/Lists/doc_e10_dec_00.htm

Ottawa Citizen. May 15, 2004. James Gordon; Pg. B1. "When predators become the prey: A Citizen reporter goes inside the secret world of the law-enforcement officials who hunt down monsters who victimize children using the Internet."

OK link 1 San Diego.

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Nice :roll:

Link 2 NRO -right wing extremist group - but hey I'll check it out)

The page cannot be found

Uh huh

Link 3 Sacbee - No mention of ACLU in article

Link 4: Brief mention of ACLU supporting free speech and misrepresenting position on NAMBLA

Link 5 : no articles but a list of articles. Mostly on the same subject.

Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA?

Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA?
In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit strikes at the heart of freedom of speech. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. For more information, please read the ACLU's press release

http://www.aclu.org/info/18852res20040107.html#3_4

 

[aquapub]

Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA?
In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit strikes at the heart of freedom of speech. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. For more information, please read the ACLU's press release

Yes, we are all familiar with your ability to regurgitate ACLU promotional rhetoric. But if you defend a group who is printing "rape and escape" brochures and having conventions to teach pedophiles how to lure kids and get away with it, you are defending something that is not only sick, but a crime as well. That is what the ACLU does. So don't try to throw up this simplistic smokescreen to defend these pieces of crap and expect that to fly.

 

[aquapub]

ATTENTION ALL:

Instead of responding to a technical glich in any kind of adult, substantive manner, hipsterdufus has decided to lower the level of debate (shocker) with a petty, assumption-based insinuation that my link didn't work because I was being dishonest, like him. What else should we expect from someone who bases their views on conspiracy theory sites?

So I have posted the entire article from Lexis Nexis, and for the many other links I provided that he lied about and smeared, I will make sure his distortions don't go unanswered as well. This is how the ACLU rushes to the defense of organized pedophilia (and orchestrating child molestation the way this org. does IS a crime):

Copyright 2005 The San Diego Union-Tribune
The San Diego Union-Tribune

February 18, 2005 Friday

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. A-1

LENGTH: 1697 words

HEADLINE: FBI targets pedophilia advocates;
Little-known group promotes `benevolent' sex

BYLINE: Onell R. Soto, STAFF WRITER

BODY:


On its Web site and newsletters, the North American Man/Boy Love Association advocates sex between men and boys and cites ancient Greece to justify the practice.

It goes by the acronym NAMBLA, and the FBI has been following it for years, linking it to pedophilia and recently infiltrating it with an agent successful enough to be asked to join the group's steering committee.


The rest is continued...

 

[aquapub]

...continued...


In California, it is illegal for an adult to have sex with someone younger than 18, but many other states set the age of sexual consent at 16.

Critics say NAMBLA's public face hides a network of child molesters who trade seduction techniques and child pornography and organize overseas trips for illicit sex.


"If they drive across to Mexico and hook up with an international airline in Mexico, we have no way to know where they're going," he said. "The flights are not as scrutinized."

Onell Soto: (619) 293-1280; onell.soto@uniontrib.com

LOAD-DATE: February 20, 2005

 

[aquapub]

Here is another one hipsterdufus acted like I was fabricating And this one, he also called a "right wing extremist group" because they are moderately right of center (but their facts are verifiable and correct). NRO is nowhere near as far from the center as the ACLU is, but because they fall on the right, they get smeared by a less than honest liberal parrot:


Copyright 2004 National Review
National Review

February 27, 2004, Friday

SECTION: National Review Online

LENGTH: 1358 words

HEADLINE: No Boy Scouts

BODY:
An old friend of mine once said this about the American Civil Liberties Union: "They're a bunch of whale-saving, criminal-loving pinkos--and thank God for them."

This remark nicely summarizes the ambivalence with which many people regard the ACLU. Few organizations dance closer to the very edge of the loony-Left precipice than it does. There seems to be no thug too hardened nor any cause too exotic for the ACLU to champion. At the same time, if America ever were unlucky enough to face a president who decided to remain in the Oval Office past her expiration date, the ACLU would battle her and her junta with every sharp courtroom argument, pointed legal filing, and well-aimed briefcase it could muster.


Today's ACLU makes one wish it would find some whales to save.

LOAD-DATE: March 1, 2004

 

[aquapub]

Here is an excerpt from another one hipsterdufus dissmissed:

Ottawa Citizen. May 15, 2004. James Gordon; Pg. B1. HEADLINE: When predators become the prey: A Citizen reporter goes inside the secret world of the law-enforcement officials who hunt down monsters who victimize children using the Internet.



..."The "boylovers" are especially numerous and vocal, partly because they organized themselves long before the advent of the personal computer. In 1978, pedophiles living in Boston, Massachussets, launched an organization called the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), dedicated to the idea that children should have the right to have sex with whomever they please. They argued age should not be a consideration when it came to sex and love, and that age-of-consent laws should be repealed.

Many former NAMBLA members also fled to Canada and helped form what some consider to be the organization's successors: The Free Spirits and the Montreal Ganymede Collectif, both based in Montreal. Light sentences from the courts and an age of consent of 14 made Canada an attractive getaway for pedophiles. In the U.S., consent ages vary by state from 16 to 18."

 

[aquapub]

And here is another:


The Boston Herald. July 18, 2001 Pg. 028 "ACLU terms NAMBLA suit a 'witch hunt.'" J. M. LAWRENCE



The ACLU yesterday asked a federal judge to toss out a $ 200 million lawsuit against a group advocating adult sex with boys, arguing the case is merely a "witch hunt" spurred by the murder of a Cambridge child.

Judge George A. O'Toole took all the motions under advisement.

 

[aquapub]

Now that your spin has been corrected, hipsterdufus, tell me, just how many articles from objective sources (even if you discount the NRO one) do you have to have before you will remove the blinders and admit that there IS a valid reason for people to be so sickened by the ACLU's unyielding loyalty to protecting organized child molesting.

Every time I see you dishonestly rip into people for rightly criticizing this disgusting organization, I will correct your BS and call you out for these phony smokescreen tactics.

 

[doughgirl]

“I'm not tolerant of groups like the boy scouts that discriminiate with my tax dollars. NCLB has in it a provision that the Boy Scouts can be in any school too. Bite me. Sorry, the Boy Scouts can bend up and sniff my anal vapors.”

And you want others to be tolerant of the ACLU…….?
That communist, bloodsucking organization that supports NAMBLA, and child pornography?

“I'm not tolerant of groups like the boy scouts that discriminiate with my tax dollars.”

To darn bad. My tax dollars goes to Planned Parenthood the biggest abortion provider in the world and I don’t like it. Am I suppose to be tolerant of that?

I speak out against that and those on the left think I am not tolerant.....

Aquapub said, “Yes, we are all familiar with your ability to regurgitate ACLU promotional rhetoric. But if you defend a group who is printing "rape and escape" brochures and having conventions to teach pedophiles how to lure kids and get away with it, you are defending something that is not only sick, but a crime as well. That is what the ACLU does. So don't try to throw up this simplistic smokescreen to defend these pieces of crap and expect that to fly.”

You so so right. And he is defending the group. Anyone who is a card carrying member knows exactly what the ACLU stands for and agrees with their position. Bottom line….the ACLU is defending NAMBLA a group of sicko child molesters and murderers.

Here is a bit of information that is in the literature the ACLU defends for NAMBLA.

“Call it love, call it lust, call it whatever you want. We desire sex with boys, and boys, whether society is willing to admit it, desires sex with us.”

Anyone who belongs to an organization like this is sick. Who in their right mind would defend NAMBLA?

And from all I have read they defend them pro-bono.

Ten year old Jeff Curley is raped, tortured, and murdered by two thugs sickos……..and the ACLU is there by their sides defending them.

This is what John Roberts director of the ACLU had to say about the Curley case.

“”While we join with all others in deploring the heinous crimes committed against Jeffrey Curley, two people have been convicted of his murder and are serving life sentences.”

So what Mr. Roberts…. Take them out behind the shed and kill them in the manner they murdered Jeff. Kill them while they look at the NAMBLA material that they found on them when they arrested them. Put a rag soaked with gasoline around their heads while you mutilate them for all I care. That is what they did to Jeff Curley. Isn't that good enough for them? Isn't that what they really deserve?
No, the ACLU is there to defend them. Makes me sick and it should make everyone who is moral, who knows right from wrong, sick.

We are going down that slippery slope alright. Did you know that amazon.com sells subscriptions to NAMBLA?

The ACLU is the epitome of evil.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

What do you expect. There an organization started with communist reasonings. That seem to do anything they can to disrupt this country from within. They are a miniscule fraction of this countries population at the very best. Eliminate christmas but lets make sure that pedophiles have the right to fuc k little boys...:roll:

These supporters seem to be the same people I hear a lot of talk about how the US is morally corrupt in Iraq and with a war. There judging morals of people trying to stay alive in a war zone. But hey long as uncle fester gets to fondle his preteen while ******* on traditions within this country all is well