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Paying to hold your baby: is this true?

Aristaeus

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I've just heard someone say that in the US healthcare system, if a woman gives birth via caesarian and wants to hold the baby afterwards (skin to skin contact), that she has to pay for it? Please tell me this is not true o_O

I know you have to pay for things that should be free, like emergency ambulances, but having to pay to hold your new-born child is just mind boggling if it's true.
 
Sort of. There was a viral story a few years back about a family that posted a hospital bill that had an $40 itemized charge that turned out to be for the time of a nurse who was in the room as a safety measure while the new mother held her baby.

But the itemized list of charges the hospital generates is rarely what people in the U.S. pay for a hospital stay. Hospitals maintain lists of all their own prices and use it generate bills (for cost accounting purposes as much as anything), but what really matters with respect to payment tends to be the list of prices that insurers curate. The dollar values tend to be negotiated between the hospital and insurer, but commonly the insurer pays a flat fee for a hospital stay that, based on algorithm that takes into account the patient's diagnoses and severity, pulls from a list of several hundred possible service bundles and price points. The labor of nurses involved in the patient's care is all rolled into that, it's not an itemized add-on.

Sometimes, instead of the all-inclusive fee based on the patient's diagnosis I just described, an insurer will pay based on the charges generated by the hospital. The insurer will have some negotiated discount on the hospital's charges (e.g., maybe it pays ~30% of each charge the hospital documents), in which case an additional charge like this is relevant.

But patients have their own agreements with insurers, based on the design of their health plan, that determine what they contribute out-of-pocket to the total price the insurer has negotiated with the hospital. So the extent to which a given patient is paying for a given itemized charge is convoluted and somewhat academic given the multiple parties and arrangements and payment methodologies that exist out there--but patients do pay something for the cost of a hospital stay, yes.
 
Sort of. There was a viral story a few years back about a family that posted a hospital bill that had an $40 itemized charge that turned out to be for the time of a nurse who was in the room as a safety measure while the new mother held her baby.

But the itemized list of charges the hospital generates is rarely what people in the U.S. pay for a hospital stay. Hospitals maintain lists of all their own prices and use it generate bills (for cost accounting purposes as much as anything), but what really matters with respect to payment tends to be the list of prices that insurers curate. The dollar values tend to be negotiated between the hospital and insurer, but commonly the insurer pays a flat fee for a hospital stay that, based on algorithm that takes into account the patient's diagnoses and severity, pulls from a list of several hundred possible service bundles and price points. The labor of nurses involved in the patient's care is all rolled into that, it's not an itemized add-on.

Sometimes, instead of the all-inclusive fee based on the patient's diagnosis I just described, an insurer will pay based on the charges generated by the hospital. The insurer will have some negotiated discount on the hospital's charges (e.g., maybe it pays ~30% of each charge the hospital documents), in which case an additional charge like this is relevant.

But patients have their own agreements with insurers, based on the design of their health plan, that determine what they contribute out-of-pocket to the total price the insurer has negotiated with the hospital. So the extent to which a given patient is paying for a given itemized charge is convoluted and somewhat academic given the multiple parties and arrangements and payment methodologies that exist out there--but patients do pay something for the cost of a hospital stay, yes.

That’s a lot of words to say “yes” without actually saying “yes.”

Yes, mothers get billed for the time spent with their own ****ing baby.
 
That’s a lot of words to say “yes” without actually saying “yes.”

Yes, mothers get billed for the time spent with their own ****ing baby.

In most cases hospital billing is meaningless, particularly for understanding what a person has to pay.
 
That’s a lot of words to say “yes” without actually saying “yes.”

Yes, mothers get billed for the time spent with their own ****ing baby.

They also get billed for time not spent with their own baby, and their insurance usually covers this as well. American healthcare is a for profit system. Nothing is free.
 
I've just heard someone say that in the U.S. health care system, if a woman gives birth via Caesarian and wants to hold the baby afterwards (skin to skin contact), that she has to pay for it? Please tell me this is not true.

I know you have to pay for things that should be free, like emergency ambulances, but having to pay to hold your new-born child is just mind boggling if it's true.

Who told you that crap? Nobody can seriously believe the simple act of holding a newborn baby is not free. Women have to pay for the childbirth itself and a two-day hospital stay for recovery no matter how it happens. That is not paying for physical contact with their babies.

Emergency ambulances come from fire departments, so we pay for them via local taxes. Patients do not pay for ambulance service during emergencies.
 
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Emergency ambulances come from fire departments, so we pay for them via local taxes. Patients do not pay for ambulance service during emergencies.

This is false. Local governments set up ambulance monopolies and they ass-rape sick and dying people just like US hospitals do:



 
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