Patriots at the gate... Americans preparing for battle against govt...

[Henrin]

Ah, but see, here's the thing---- drone strikes may have killed innocent people, upon occasion, but they've also killed thousands of terrorists.

The majority of those killed in drone strikes are civilians. Drone strikes are really just lazy war tactics that result in a lot of death.

While the Oklahoma City bombing did nothing but kill hundreds of people and get the Feds to get even more serious about going after militia groups when they violated the law.

It's a federal building, so how is that any different than what the military does to other countries?

 

[Orly?]

I am still content under our current form of government which is why I haven't felt the need to arm myself...yet.

By time you are sure you need to arm yourself you may not be able to.. Better to get your ducks in a row before **** pops off rather than after..

 

[Orly?]

In some states like California it is indeed a state felony to organize, drill, train, lead, and participate in a militia.

How is that not unconstitutional?

 

[RetiredUSN]

The majority of those killed in drone strikes are civilians. Drone strikes are really just lazy war tactics that result in a lot of death.



It's a federal building, so how is that any different than what the military does to other countries?

A federal building with a day care center inside.

 

[Henrin]

A federal building with a day care center inside.

Remember that hospital that was bombed by the military? I do.

 

[Riveroaks]

How is that not unconstitutional?

Bozo's like Scalia worship(ped) States' Rights (10th Amendment) to the extent that they will not force other aspects of the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights on the States.

That's how.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Remember that hospital that was bombed by the military? I do.

Children must always be considered.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

I was first made aware of groups like this since I became a survivalist in the early 70's.

Rogue River, OR was their mecca at that time in that was where Mel Tappan was living. He was a national guru of survivalists then.

I have no doubt there have been others before.

On NATGEO Doomsday Preppers I saw several episodes where these wackadoodles were arming their kids who would much rather be playing with toys.

One Dad said he got the whole family a treat. The kids said they hoped it was a trip to the movies or some toys. NOPE, he got them all suture kits....yay :roll:

 

[Henrin]

Children must always be considered.

There has been two hospitals bombed in the last year. Tell me again how the military is considering children.

 

[RetiredUSN]

I was first made aware of groups like this since I became a survivalist in the early 70's.

Rogue River, OR was their mecca at that time in that was where Mel Tappan was living. He was a national guru of survivalists then.

I have no doubt there have been others before.

On NATGEO Doomsday Preppers I saw several episodes where these wackadoodles were arming their kids who would much rather be playing with toys.

One Dad said he got the whole family a treat. The kids said they hoped it was a trip to the movies or some toys. NOPE, he got them all suture kits....yay :roll:

I am a bit of a prepper myself.

Ammo
Seeds
First aid kits
Canned goods
Crank radio
Telescopic fishing rods
Water purification kits.

A lot of it is what I already use for the sailboat.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

I got no problem with anybody practicing their rights, learning how to shoot and safety, I carry myself. There's also nothign wrong with being ready and prepared. I think their actual concerns, time which they think there fears are happening and sense of urgency based on it is bat **** insane but as long as they break no laws hey, to each their own. They are being watched and that's good enough.

LaylaWindu...I read somewhere that if by your mid 40's....if you are not on some government watch list, then you should be ashamed of yourself. :lol:

I knew a lady who applied for a security position at a plant, and they brought up the fact her brother was a member of SASS. Single Action Shooting Society. Where the dress up like cowboys and play cowboy games and have silly fun shooting contests. Seems those dangerous individuals are on a watch list too.

I have also heard, but not verified, the SCA is also being watched. You know, those dungeons and dragons types that play at various parks around the big cities.

You can pretty much guarantee ANYTHING...I mean ANYTHING yo say or do on-line can be held against you and is being observed by some kind of government alphabet agency.

Including right here and now.

I do not see it as a bad thing. We are AT WAR....a war being fought on many unusual fronts. Including cyberspace.

I know for a fact the Branch Davidian's were pretty much ignored until they tried to buy 50,000 rounds of 5.56 NATO ammunition.

Talk about shooting up a flare! :shock:

In the Navy we have a term...Putting yourself on report.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

you'd have to be a fool not to see that america is on the road to becoming a socialist dictatorship.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

I am a bit of a prepper myself.

Ammo
Seeds
First aid kits
Canned goods
Crank radio
Telescopic fishing rods
Water purification kits.

A lot of it is what I already use for the sailboat.

I retired from the marine electronics field. Loved working on sailboats. That is where you will find the true sailors.

I noticed a progression. When young, people get a fast power boat, later when they want to slow down and enjoy life, they get a sail boat. Then later when they are not as young as they used to be, they get a trawler.

A sailboat, to me is a perfect bug out platform.

 

[Tigerace117]

The majority of those killed in drone strikes are civilians. Drone strikes are really just lazy war tactics that result in a lot of death.



It's a federal building, so how is that any different than what the military does to other countries?

Civillians die in war all the time. It's unfortunate, but it happens. If the drone has good intel it can take out the target with a mimimim of casualties and there's no risk to the pilot if it gets shot down.

I don't really have to explain the difference between what happens in a war and blowing up a buliding full of non combatants on purpose to you, do I?

 

[Paleocon]

But in the DOI Jefferson claims that any legitimate government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

Now what?

Jefferson was a radical who believed in perpetual revolution.

No one should take his writings seriously.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Preparing to kill cops should be illegal.

Agreed.
Killing non-sworn Blackwater contractors "acting under color of authority" however, should not only be legal, it IS legal if said contractor attempts to threaten your safety, especially while acting under color of authority, on your property, in your home.
If you bust my door down and act like a police officer, you better damn well be one, or this liberal will exercise his second amendment rights every bit as vigorously as any conservative, because like most liberals, I do happen to have certain conservative values which align very neatly with the Constitution.
My home IS my castle.

Privatized law enforcement and privatized paramilitary are actually the REAL threat to everyone's constitutional rights.

 

[MickeyW]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

However you phrase it, people planning for shootouts with the police, are seditious. It's insane that that behavior is tolerated.

Whose talking about the police? Most cops that I know, will side with these people, if it really gets nasty.

 

[MickeyW]

In some states like California it is indeed a state felony to organize, drill, train, lead, and participate in a militia.

In other states like Michigan it obviously is not.

That's why many in Commifornia are under the radar....

 

[clownboy]

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Thomas Jefferson

 

[Kobie]

you'd have to be a fool not to see that america is on the road to becoming a socialist dictatorship.

Uh huh. :roll:

 

[MickeyW]

If like in New Orleans after Katrina anybody came to my door to try and take my guns, guess what would happen ??

You will bake MJ Brownies and serve them?

Those were Blackwater contractors.
You might even call them "privatized law enforcement", except for one small detail. They weren't sworn officers and their targets were law abiding citizens who had a right to own and keep their guns, which were in their private homes.

Yes indeed.

Preparing to kill cops should be illegal.

Sure it should and that's not what this is about! Try and keep up.

Who gets to define the line?

Those innocent citizens who are threatened.

But in the DOI Jefferson claims that any legitimate government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

Now what?

Follow Tom.

not really. i'm preparing for lunch and golf. as for the OP, advocating armed rebellion is ridiculous when

a. we hold free elections every couple of years

b. the government would put down a rebellion in short order. the difference in firepower and manpower is just crushing.

c. most people are just going to watch it on tv and then change the channel when a celebrity farts.

sorry, you're going to have to work within the process. as for me, i'd like to see political parties banned so that candidates have to run on their own ideas. also probably not going to happen.

I'm preparing to take a class out to shoot....already had brunch.

We aren't talking rebellion here, we are talking a session of rights under say... some bogus martial law, or phony crisis.

Oklahoma City is a perfect example. Blowing up a building full of innocent people goes well over the line.

Different thing......this...is not about....that!

The question is, how is "the line" defined, and who gets to define it?

See above.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Huh. I am going to buy a gun but that's because I like going to the range, hunting, and I want it for self defense against possible criminals.

I don't find it necessary to join an organized force. At least not yet. Oh well, hope those kiddos have fun out there being them.

 

[Paleocon]

Whose talking about the police? Most cops that I know, will side with these people, if it really gets nasty.

The FBI are law enforcement.

 

[coldjoint]

Uh huh. :roll:

Tell me how you see anything different happening?

 

[MickeyW]

Once again, when your actions kill hundreds of innocent people, it goes over the line of both common morality and justice.

Again...apples and oranges from the OP

Free elections? lol. I'm sorry, but when you have two parties that pretty much lock out all competition and do everything they can to get their guy in office there is nothing "free" about it.

That would depend entirely on what the military decides to do.

Agreed!

You mean like drone attacks.

Some of these boobs just don't get it, do they?

Ah, but see, here's the thing---- drone strikes may have killed innocent people, upon occasion, but they've also killed thousands of terrorists.

While the Oklahoma City bombing did nothing but kill hundreds of people and get the Feds to get even more serious about going after militia groups when they violated the law.

Stop confusing the actions of OK., with this! Apples and oranges.

The OP is NOT about domestic terrorism, or any terrorism.....it's about defending yourself and your family and loved ones, as a free man or woman, or being a subject of the King.