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PATRIOT act. Dictatorship to come.

Yeah, vote for Bush, because we hate being free, yeah man, like, having the right to think for ourselves and live our own lives is soooo passe, like, I would rather live life spied on by foreign troops and advanced monitoring technologies, where I can't even pee without being watched! Yeah, like that would be soooo awesome.
In case you haven't figured out I'm being sarcastic here.
 
Oh yeah, and one more thing for now.... Watch what's going on in Iraq because they are practice for what Bush has in store for us American citizens.
 
Freedom Only Exists With Individual Action
by SARTRE




Where is the Spirit of the Parents?



Once the mood of alienation dominated society. Now the condition of apathy reigns. Our collective nature has not changed, but what has died is our will for self respect. No longer is this nation the land of the brave, for it has become the cocoon of the timid. The oligarchy of control did not reach the pinnacle of power through a coup d'etat. They were blessed to rule by the Sheeple (or sheep-people) looking for a grassland, free - for them to feed upon. How absurd, the fantasy of government bounty.

The character of America is but a hollow shell of past generations. Today the "me generation" has grayed to become the "you owe me" generation. The health of the Republic has transmuted into the stoicism of the captive. Willful resignation is not only the abode of the desperate, it has become the residue of the beggar. Society applauds the indigent and fears the independent. Alas, the savior of the weak is the State - which no one dare deny. The cure for all the ills, lies in the sustenance of that monthly check . . .

So goes the tale of modern America. The annals of this transition has accelerated with each war. Wilson made us proud to make the world safe for government. Roosevelt showed us the vision of empire and the generosity of our federal father. Truman proved the wisdom of civilian control. Johnson gave us the joy of humbling defeat, while Nixon preached the benefits of deceit. And Bush I and George II pave the way and oil the road to permanent government service.

Yes, our history is rich in it's respect for individual conscience, as long as it coincides with the prevailing policies . . . But you say how great and powerful we are and how the wealth has been shared among us all. We live longer, we are better informed, we are mutlicultured and who could deny that we have the best public servants the world has ever seen? Ah, we must be happy - just give us more . . .

Can anyone dispute that our leaders have served well? No longer need we toil for our daily bread. Long gone are the days of personal burden, dear old dad does all the work. And who really needs those coins in our pockets, our plight is not our own - but is shared by each and paid by all. Finally we live our dream, freedom is dead.

As the new millennium takes shape, the disruption of electoral change is no longer a concern. The faces may change, but the same polices remain. What need could there be to risk the confusion of change? We have it good and have learned, since those days long back - when we were in school. No more estrangement, we have our share of the common loot. All that fuss in choice just drains the soul. Better to accept, so we can forget . . . as our government love fest shows.

The prospects for personal freedom is still well and real. It's not the individual that has an altered nature, but the society that humanity built. The collective mind has been shaped to accept agreement and punish singular achievement. The reality of today's mass culture shuns risk and rewards pack behavior. The herd is protected, while the stallion is gelded. To overcome the group think, one needs to rebel. Looking to elected officer holders for relief is like waiting for the politician to get religion. They are all practicing hedonist heretics, just lusting for power.

The upheaval of campus defiance is the mirror of adult hypocrisy. Even when dead wrong on the issues, the passion of a cause allows life to flow within their veins. The "future is now" and the world is owed a difference. Freedom is often chaotic and rowdy, but it is always a response to a willful choice. Even when it's an unconscious act, the mindset accepts the need for choosing. Youth understands vulnerability. Failure is acceptable, for achievement must be learned.

Contrast this with the intensity from the walking dead who value careers, while perfecting institutional insanity. They are our mature managers. They are tools of the masters in designed malaise. They are the one's who demand complacency. They are the crowd that promote mediocrity. For they are the truly lost parents, of the future generation.

Freedom requires individual action. Government can never be tamed without continuous confrontation. The State never raises the level of freedom for they are in the business of maintaining control. People create freedom when they defy the seducement of the charlatan, posing as a public benefactor. Civic institutions project the illusion of security and stability, for the mere price of surrendering personal freedom.

Those who reject the nature of our species rise to positions of authority, while holding true to their base appetites. Freedom is core to our purpose. It is attained in only one way, one act at a time. No legislature, bureaucracy, court or king can give you that which only you can create. So why bother with the trappings of a fraud that is called democracy? Allowing your essence as a person to be incarcerated by the whims of the mob is insane. Accepting the schemes of the potentate, as a substitute for the dignity of the individual, is psychotic. But the Sheeple are many - while the free are few.

The purity of adolescence is lost not with years, but is surrendered willingly to the seductive allure of the harlot State. Laws may extend equitable treatment, but they never originate freedom. Only the individual can be free, for the State never has "rights". It's only purpose is to serve the citizen. This is a lesson that is seldom learned, but can never be denied. Voluntary human relationships are normal and are known when young. Rebellion is natural and experienced when young. But when the fruit of a tainted government diet is ingested, the insight of youth turns into the apathy of maturity.

Freedom liberates the spirit, cures the cynicism and heals the guilt. So will you forage upon the public pasture or will you celebrate the delight of your youth - REBEL ????

by:
http://batr.org/verity/id1.html
I liked it because it made since. The apathetic, careless attitude of the common American citizen is almost just as much to blame for the confiscation of our civil liberties as Bush himself.
 
myself said:
Dude, you don't hafta even know much about politics to see that Bush is taking over. Alittle knowledge of history and current events, coupled with the ability to think FREELY.
Lets abserve Bush since he ran for president in his 1st term:
1. Illegally stole office, even though he lacked the popular vote against Al Gore
2. LET 9/11 happen, knowing full well in advance, because it
a) built him up as a wartime president
b) restored faith in the system
c) gave him a reason to highten security
3. PATRIOT ACT, and attempting succession of PATRIOT ACT 2... Now you can argue this but if it isn't so detrimental to our constitution why does he all of a sudden hafta change the name of the bill to the Domestic Secuity Enhancement Act?
4. Dept. of Homeland Security, which could just as easily be called the Gestappo.
5. Caught several times manipulating polls or shredding his opponent's votes, before it was swept under the rug. With Kerri/Bush election they really just gave him a slap on the wrist. But don't you find it alittle odd that the last state to vote Bush into office in his first term was Florida, a state that his brother was governor of? That should ring some bells, aside from the fact that the state SHOULD NOT have the authority to vote for the people.

In conclusion, a vote for Bush was a vote against freedom. Anyone supporting Bush is just as good as a terrorist in my eyes. And this "war on terrorism", I think stealing your peoples' rights away and rounding up busses for concentration camps counts as terrorism. So by the end of it your not gonna know who is who. Power corrupts.

Get your facts straight.... Please.... Florida did not vote Bush president. The Supreme Court did. The same Supreme Court Daddy made.
 
Fantasea said:
Since you didn't furnish a source I went looking for one.

I found an analysis by California Representative Devin Nunes in which he claims to exposes myths. It would appear that your statement above is at odds with the Congressman.

The following is an excerpt:

"No provision of the USA PATRIOT Act has been held unconstitutional by any court."

Full read: http://www.nunes.house.gov/PatriotAct.htm

The ball is in your court.


How about NO PART HAS BEEN HELD CONSTITUTIONAL BY ANY HONEST SUPREME COURT.
 
Yeah the supreme court voted him in... But what was all this stuff about Florida then? I remember hearing rumors that Jeb shipped Gore votes down a river but I can't validate this. The whole situation was cloudy and hard to follow. I remember something about red states (rep) and blue states (dem), and the last one was Florida. But the fact that it went through the supreme court was a red flag. Because that is the 1st time in our history that the supreme court had the authority to elect someone.
 
myself said:
Yeah the supreme court voted him in... But what was all this stuff about Florida then? I remember hearing rumors that Jeb shipped Gore votes down a river but I can't validate this. The whole situation was cloudy and hard to follow. I remember something about red states (rep) and blue states (dem), and the last one was Florida. But the fact that it went through the supreme court was a red flag. Because that is the 1st time in our history that the supreme court had the authority to elect someone.
Hey, as long as you guys keep fighting the results of the 2000 election, it keeps you out of trouble. So keep it up.
 
Fantasea said:
Hey, as long as you guys keep fighting the results of the 2000 election, it keeps you out of trouble. So keep it up.


Who are you Fantasea, A government spy? You work for Homeland Security or Hitler himself? Just curious. Where are you from ?? Berlin? Moscow? Are you a communist?
 
Dude, I'd almost say just save some money and get the hell out of America before Bush takes over completely. But that won't do any good either because all of Europe and North America and BCW nations and Australia are in on this one world government deal.... And the rest of the countries are too weak to fight them.... I'm not afraid to die for my rights and my family when this crap hits the fan though......
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
Hey, as long as you guys keep fighting the results of the 2000 election, it keeps you out of trouble. So keep it up.
http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html

Floridians protested this and the supreme court shut them up.
Incorrrect. Floridians are intelligent, hospitable, and well meaning folks.

On the other hand, it is the actions of the "Floridiots", which include a large contingent of carpet-baggers, who are afflicted with a condition easily recoginized by the symptoms of a deep hatred for any species of Bush, and an inability to understand that is the Florisa state legislature, and not the Florida state supreme court, which makes election law, and an inability to realize that the 2000 election is history, which keeps the 'pot boiling', as it were.

These comments should not be considered any more insulting than those of the post, which follow.

Originally posted by You've Got To Be Kidding!
Who are you Fantasea, A government spy? You work for Homeland Security or Hitler himself? Just curious. Where are you from ?? Berlin? Moscow? Are you a communist?
 
Really... then why is he president today? Last election they used the ballot machines that did not have paper trails in florida... against florida constitution under the right to vote act or the get americans to vote act.
 
Which is why there is no point in voting if we can't decide who wins.
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Really... then why is he president today? Last election they used the ballot machines that did not have paper trails in florida... against florida constitution under the right to vote act or the get americans to vote act.
If you can't figure out why George Bush is serving his second term in the White House, then, indeed, continue to occupy yourself with replays of the 2000 election.

In the 2004 election, he won both the popular and electoral college votes. Trying to analyze that one might be too taxing.
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Really... then why is he president today? Last election they used the ballot machines that did not have paper trails in florida... against florida constitution under the right to vote act or the get americans to vote act.

If you're going to continue to make an ass of yourself with foolish claims, at least get the name right. HAVA, or the Help America Vote Act.
 
Fantasea said:
If you can't figure out why George Bush is serving his second term in the White House, then, indeed, continue to occupy yourself with replays of the 2000 election.

In the 2004 election, he won both the popular and electoral college votes. Trying to analyze that one might be too taxing.


What hav eyou analyzed about it?? Or is it to taxing for yourself?
 
The Patriot Act increases the governments surveillance powers in four areas:

Records searches. It expands the government's ability to look at records on an individual's activity being held by a third parties. (Section 215)

Secret searches. It expands the government's ability to search private property without notice to the owner. (Section 213)

Intelligence searches. It expands a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment that had been created for the collection of foreign intelligence information (Section 218).

"Trap and trace" searches. It expands another Fourth Amendment exception for spying that collects "addressing" information about the origin and destination of communications, as opposed to the content (Section 214).
1. Expanded access to personal records held by third parties
One of the most significant provisions of the Patriot Act makes it far easier for the authorities to gain access to records of citizens' activities being held by a third party. At a time when computerization is leading to the creation of more and more such records, Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to force anyone at all - including doctors, libraries, bookstores, universities, and Internet service providers - to turn over records on their clients or customers.
Unchecked power
The result is unchecked government power to rifle through individuals' financial records, medical histories, Internet usage, bookstore purchases, library usage, travel patterns, or any other activity that leaves a record. Making matters worse:
The government no longer has to show evidence that the subjects of search orders are an "agent of a foreign power," a requirement that previously protected Americans against abuse of this authority.
The FBI does not even have to show a reasonable suspicion that the records are related to criminal activity, much less the requirement for "probable cause" that is listed in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. All the government needs to do is make the broad assertion that the request is related to an ongoing terrorism or foreign intelligence investigation.
Judicial oversight of these new powers is essentially non-existent. The government must only certify to a judge - with no need for evidence or proof - that such a search meets the statute's broad criteria, and the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application.
Surveillance orders can be based in part on a person's First Amendment activities, such as the books they read, the Web sites they visit, or a letter to the editor they have written.
A person or organization forced to turn over records is prohibited from disclosing the search to anyone. As a result of this gag order, the subjects of surveillance never even find out that their personal records have been examined by the government. That undercuts an important check and balance on this power: the ability of individuals to challenge illegitimate searches.
Why the Patriot Act's expansion of records searches is unconstitutional
Section 215 of the Patriot Act violates the Constitution in several ways. It:
Violates the Fourth Amendment, which says the government cannot conduct a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime.
Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.
Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.
Violates the Fourth Amendmentby failing to provide notice - even after the fact - to persons whose privacy has been compromised. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.
2. More secret searches
For centuries, common law has required that the government can't go into your property without telling you, and must therefore give you notice before it executes a search. That "knock and announce" principle has long been recognized as a part of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.
The Patriot Act, however, unconstitutionally amends the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure to allow the government to conduct searches without notifying the subjects, at least until long after the search has been executed. This means that the government can enter a house, apartment or office with a search warrant when the occupants are away, search through their property, take photographs, and in some cases even seize property - and not tell them until later.
Notice is a crucial check on the government's power because it forces the authorities to operate in the open, and allows the subject of searches to protect their Fourth Amendment rights. For example, it allows them to point out irregularities in a warrant, such as the fact that the police are at the wrong address, or that the scope of the warrant is being exceeded (for example, by rifling through dresser drawers in a search for a stolen car). Search warrants often contain limits on what may be searched, but when the searching officers have complete and unsupervised discretion over a search, a property owner cannot defend his or her rights.
Finally, this new "sneak and peek" power can be applied as part of normal criminal investigations; it has nothing to do with fighting terrorism or collecting foreign intelligence.
3. Expansion of the intelligence exception in wiretap law
Under the Patriot Act, the FBI can secretly conduct a physical search or wiretap on American citizens to obtain evidence of crime without proving probable cause, as the Fourth Amendment explicitly requires.
A 1978 law called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) created an exception to the Fourth Amendment's requirement for probable cause when the purpose of a wiretap or search was to gather foreign intelligence. The rationale was that since the search was not conducted for the purpose of gathering evidence to put someone on trial, the standards could be loosened. In a stark demonstration of why it can be dangerous to create exceptions to fundamental rights, however, the Patriot Act expanded this once-narrow exception to cover wiretaps and searches that DO collect evidence for regular domestic criminal cases. FISA previously allowed searches only if the primary purpose was to gather foreign intelligence. But the Patriot Act changes the law to allow searches when "a significant purpose" is intelligence. That lets the government circumvent the Constitution's probable cause requirement even when its main goal is ordinary law enforcement.
The eagerness of many in law enforcement to dispense with the requirements of the Fourth Amendment was revealed in August 2002 by the secret court that oversees domestic intelligence spying (the "FISA Court"). Making public one of its opinions for the first time in history, the court revealed that it had rejected an attempt by the Bush Administration to allow criminal prosecutors to use intelligence warrants to evade the Fourth Amendment entirely. The court also noted that agents applying for warrants had regularly filed false and misleading information. That opinion is now on appeal.
4. Expansion of the "pen register" exception in wiretap law
Another exception to the normal requirement for probable cause in wiretap law is also expanded by the Patriot Act. Years ago, when the law governing telephone wiretaps was written, a distinction was created between two types of surveillance. The first allows surveillance of the content or meaning of a communication, and the second only allows monitoring of the transactional or addressing information attached to a communication. It is like the difference between reading the address printed on the outside of a letter, and reading the letter inside, or listening to a phone conversation and merely recording the phone numbers dialed and received.
Wiretaps limited to transactional or addressing information are known as "Pen register/trap and trace" searches (for the devices that were used on telephones to collect telephone numbers). The requirements for getting a PR/TT warrant are essentially non-existent: the FBI need not show probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. It must only certify to a judge - without having to prove it - that such a warrant would be "relevant" to an ongoing criminal investigation. And the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application.
The Patriot Act broadens the pen register exception in two ways:
"Nationwide" pen register warrants
Under the Patriot Act PR/TT orders issued by a judge are no longer valid only in that judge's jurisdiction, but can be made valid anywhere in the United States. This "nationwide service" further marginalizes the role of the judiciary, because a judge cannot meaningfully monitor the extent to which his or her order is being used. In addition, this provision authorizes the equivalent of a blank warrant: the court issues the order, and the law enforcement agent fills in the places to be searched. That is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment's explicit requirement that warrants be written "particularly describing the place to be searched."
Pen register searches applied to the Internet
The attorney general can order detention based on a certification that he or she has "reasonable grounds to believe" a non-citizen endangers national security. Worse, if the foreigner does not have a country that will accept them, they can be detained indefinitely without trial.
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
If you can't figure out why George Bush is serving his second term in the White House, then, indeed, continue to occupy yourself with replays of the 2000 election.

In the 2004 election, he won both the popular and electoral college votes.

Trying to analyze that one might be too taxing.
What hav eyou analyzed about it?? Or is it to taxing for yourself?
There was nothing for me to analyze. My candidate won.
 
I think the Patriot Act was forced upon from a good idea, but bad execution.
The government has taken this to a far bigger level than anticipated by the general media, and I think it should either be revoked or re-written.
Furthermore, it stretches the contitutional limits a bit too far.
 
Gideon said:
I think the Patriot Act was forced upon from a good idea, but bad execution.
The government has taken this to a far bigger level than anticipated by the general media, and I think it should either be revoked or re-written.
Furthermore, it stretches the contitutional limits a bit too far.


Are you a rocket scientist???? HOLLY COW BATMAN!!! Your on FIRE!!!!
Dude It takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.

pun directed at everyone else not you.
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Are you a rocket scientist???? HOLLY COW BATMAN!!! Your on FIRE!!!!
Dude It takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.

pun directed at everyone else not you.

No, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say my political views. Some people don't think it was overextended and that it was a good idea. And more people think it was a bad idea altogether. I was expressing my views, a simple "thank you" would have sufficed. :cool:
If you don't like what I say, you can go cry about it, but you could have just acted in a mature way
 
I thought this thread was on the patriot act not rocket science?
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
Are you a rocket scientist???? HOLLY COW BATMAN!!! Your on FIRE!!!!
Dude It takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.

pun directed at everyone else not you.



HEY GIDEON READ THIS AGAIN PERHAPS
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
HEY GIDEON READ THIS AGAIN PERHAPS
Ive already read it before.
And why say that?
Either say read it or don't, not perhaps.
Really mature though, you used a super large text, you must be the one whos a rocket scientist though, right?
Holy cow Batman, you're still 12 years old!
 
Gideon I think his point was that the original comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at everyone else. It's in the last line of his post.
I hope that doesn't include me though because I'm in all honesty probably the only other person on here strongly opposing the NWO/Bush adm. and confronting the conspiracy.
 
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