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Patently unconstitutional': What experts say about Ken Paxton urging Lord's Prayer in Texas schools

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Patently unconstitutional': What experts say about Ken Paxton urging Lord's Prayer in Texas schools​


Legal experts hold varying views on Attorney General Ken Paxton urging all Texas public school students to observe dedicated prayer time and fill that period with the Lord's Prayer from the King James version of the Bible.

Some say public officials can openly share their religious views, while others raised concerns about appropriating religion for secular, political purposes.

The scum in Tex-ass continue to violate the constitutuion.

Tex-ass needs to be cut off from the rest of the country until they are willing to follow the law.


 
There are few things more unsavory than seeing full scale religious hypocrisy in action by a Republican politician who is an acknowledged adulterer. That scum Paxton probably thinks God will just forgive him for ignoring his wedding vows to his soon to be ex-wife while he was screwing another woman on the side.

Of course, ignoring the Constitution is just another one of this Bible-thumping bum’s transgressions. He knows no shame.
 
It is not a question of personal faith, but of converting democratic institutions into religious ones and thereby to undermine the principle of equal value and secular rights for all.
 
Juks said:
It is not a question of personal faith, but of converting democratic institutions into religious ones and thereby to undermine the principle of equal value and secular rights for all.
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I see your point, but Paxton's stratospheric level hypocrisy is noteworthy.
 
The Texas Senate Bill 11 looks like they are simply bringing back the rights of religious freedom in schools without infringing on those who don't believe. Good for them taking back the religious rights of others.
 
redbeer said:
The Texas Senate Bill 11 looks like they are simply bringing back the rights of religious freedom in schools without infringing on those who don't believe. Good for them taking back the religious rights of others.
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Total bullshit.
 
Loulit01 said:
Who's freedom of religion is removed?
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What's your problem with people having time for God in school? If you don't want to participate, sign a waiver and don't.....that simple. Religious speech, prayer, time is taken and has been removed from most schools....where have you been the last fourty years?
 
redbeer said:
The Texas Senate Bill 11 looks like they are simply bringing back the rights of religious freedom in schools without infringing on those who don't believe. Good for them taking back the religious rights of others.
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Religious rights was never threatened. School sanctioned prayer is unconstitutional.
There is no problem as long as a school does not mandate or endorse prayer or god and such.
 
I fear zealots in power no matter the who they are!
This is a slippery slope, because it opens the door for other beliefs to
also say their tenants should be brought into schools.
 
redbeer said:
What's your problem with people having time for God in school?
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People already have time for God in school. My problem is with state mandated time for god, especially with the focus on one particular prayer.
redbeer said:
If you don't want to participate, sign a waiver and don't.....that simple.
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Why do I need to sign a waiver?
redbeer said:
Religious speech, prayer, time is taken and has been removed from most schools....where have you been the last fourty years?
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Nonsense. Kids pray in school every day. I prayed before every test from grade school through college, and so can every school kid in America today. They can pray at lunch, between classes, at study, during any downtime they have throughout the school day they can pray to any god they want in any way they wish.

The government needs to stay out of it like the 1st Amendment says.

The full quote from Thomas Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association is: "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State".

The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly cited Jefferson's metaphor of a wall of separation. In Reynolds v. United States (1879), the Court wrote that Jefferson's comments "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment." In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."


I have no idea what you're talking about.
 

Gotta love the liberal "take the high road of morality". No one is attempting to converge government/religion into the English Empire prior to our nations founding. There's no way to legislate one's faith, for their faith is always with them, regardless of where they are.

Just a simple reading of our founding Fathers writings and documents, it is abundantly clear their "faith" played in integral part of their decision process, the words they used, and the documents written. The problem is in taking it too far one way or the other. England went too far using religion in their governmental powers......today the USA has gone too far the other way, removing the thought of God replacing it with the absence of faith and using this as the litmus to enforcing rules, regulations and laws. It's no different when we began our nation, just on the opposite side of the spectrum. There must be balance and that's all which is transpiring in Texas.
 
That's all very nice but you still can't have state mandated prayer in schools or have kids sign a waiver to opt out.

As I said and you ignored, any school kid can pray to any God in any public school and no one will stop them.
 
Loulit01 said:
That's all very nice but you still can't have state mandated prayer in schools or have kids sign a waiver to opt out.
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Actually in the Texas Senate Bill 11, to participate in these religious activities in school, they must sign a waiver. Those opting out by not signing the waiver do not have to participate and are neither cohered or encouraged to attend.....it's voluntary.

Loulit01 said:
As I said and you ignored, any school kid can pray to any God in any public school and no one will stop them.
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Well sure, people can think on just about anything at anytime and nobody's going to stop them.....that's a given and a meritless point.
 
Juks said:
It is not a question of personal faith, but of converting democratic institutions into religious ones and thereby to undermine the principle of equal value and secular rights for all.
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Sure it is. Of course, Ken Paxton happens to be the Attorney General for the state of Texas, where his personal faith should not be a factor in his duties. While he may have personal feelings on the matter, he really should not be the spokesperson for such an “in your face” religious stance that goes against the law of the land where the public is concerned. It sure appears that his personal faith is driving his actions in Texas. How could it not be perceived any other way?

People like him who insist on blurring the lines between the law (he is the chief legal officer, after all) and pushing religion, all the while being a massive hypocrite when it comes to his very public personal adultery, screams of his attempts at using his office to somehow wash himself clean of his own mess.
 
Irrelevant. A public school cannot have or promote religious activities or prayer.
 
The hypocrisy there is at a nuclear level.
 
That is irrelevant because the constitution of the prohibits states from having their own religion. That is exactly what this is. The courts have already ruled as much. Paxton violated a court order and the constitution of the USA.
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Well sure, people can think on just about anything at anytime and nobody's going to stop them.....that's a given and a meritless point.
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This is irrelevant.
 
White christian nationalism is as white christian nationalism does.... Ken Paxton's example, in the most hypocritical way.
 
redbeer said:
How do you legislate removing people's freedom of religion?
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Nobody is removing freedom of religion. States are not allowed to have their own religion. This is in the 1st Amendment.

Paxton CANNOT force his religious bullshit on school children. Period.

Stop making excuses for Paxton's blatant abuse and disregard for the law and the constitution.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
That is irrelevant because the constitution of the prohibits states from having their own religion. That is exactly what this is. The courts have already ruled as much. Paxton violated a court order and the constitution of the USA.
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"Their own religion"......lol, maybe you need to read up on Texas SB 11 and become more informed.

ColdHardTruth said:
This is irrelevant.
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Huh?......you can't regulate peoples thoughts.
 

Again, educate yourself on Texas SB 11, instead of listening to 'talking heads'.
 
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