• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Pat Sajak on Liberals...

shuamort

Pundit-licious
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 4, 2005
Messages
7,297
Reaction score
1,000
Location
Saint Paul, MN
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I thought some of y'all might enjoy this:

Arguing with Liberals, and Why I've Stopped

Every time I argue with a Liberal, I’m reminded of quarrels I used to have with my parents. The battles never seemed fair because my folks decided what the rules were and what was out of bounds. In addition, because they were parents, they could threaten me in ways I couldn’t threaten them, and they could say things I could never say.

Recently, for example, I was discussing the United Sates Supreme Court with on of my many Liberal friends out in Los Angeles when she said, without any discernable embarrassment, that Justice Anton Scalia was “worse than Hitler”. Realizing she wasn’t alive during World War II and perhaps she may have been absent on those days when her schoolmates were studying Nazism, I reminded her of some of Hitler’s more egregious crimes against humanity, suggesting she may have overstated the case. She had not; Scalia was worse. As I often did when my parents threatened to send me to my room, I let the conversation die.

Aside from being rhetorically hysterical—and demeaning to the memory of those who suffered so terribly as a result of Hitler and the Nazis—it served to remind me of how difficult it is to have serious discussions about politics or social issues with committed members of the Left. They tend to do things like accusing members of the Right of sowing the seeds of hatred while, at the same time, comparing them to mass murderers. And they do this while completely missing the irony.

The moral superiority they bring to the table allows them to alter the playing field and the rules in their favor. They can say and do things the other side can’t because, after all, they have the greater good on their side. If a Conservative—one of the bad guys—complains about the content of music, films or television shows aimed at children, he is being a prude who wants to tell other people what to read or listen to or watch; he is a censor determined to legislate morality. If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this “hate speech” or “politically incorrect” speech. (Of course, they—being the good guys—will decide exactly what that is.)

Protests about Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor and self-proclaimed Native American, who, among other things, likened some Sept. 11 victims to Adolf Eichmann (there go those pesky Nazis again), were characterized by much of the Left as an effort to stifle academic freedom. But, when Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers’ job is put in jeopardy over a caveat-filled musing about science and gender, it’s okay, because what he said was sooo wrong (even if it has to be mis-characterized to make the point).

When Liberals want to legislate what you’re allowed to drive or what you should eat or how much support you can give to a political candidate or what you can or can’t say, they are doing it for altruistic reasons. The excesses of the Left are to be excused because these folks operate from the higher moral ground and the benefit of the greater wisdom and intelligence gained from that perspective.

In a different West Coast conversation, I complained to another Liberal friend about some of the Left’s tone concerning the 2004 elections. I thought it insulting to hear those “red state” voters caricatured as red-necked rubes. My friend asked, “Well, don’t you think that people who live in large urban areas, who travel and read and speak other languages are better able to make informed choices?” It turns out it is superiority, not familiarity, which breeds contempt.

The rhetoric has become so super-heated that, sadly, I find myself having fewer and fewer political discussions these days. And while I miss the spirited give-and-take, when Supreme Court Justices become worse than Hitler and when those who vote a certain way do so because they’re idiots, it’s time to talk about the weather.
 

Schweddy

Benevolent Dictator
Administrator
DP Veteran
Joined
May 19, 2004
Messages
11,971
Reaction score
6,080
Location
Plano, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
*whistle* :applaud
 

Squawker

Professor
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
1,314
Reaction score
4
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Very accurate article. :clap: The sad part of it is, the lefties think they are right.
 

ShamMol

Only Way Round is Through
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 24, 2005
Messages
1,988
Reaction score
10
Location
Pasadena, California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
and you righties think that you are right...whoopdidoo
 

Squawker

Professor
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
1,314
Reaction score
4
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
and you righties think that you are right...whoopdidoo
Constant ranting and raving about Hitler just makes the left look silly, but they must believe what they say. The left isn't right, so the right must be right. lol :mrgreen:
 

ShamMol

Only Way Round is Through
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 24, 2005
Messages
1,988
Reaction score
10
Location
Pasadena, California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Squawker said:
Constant ranting and raving about Hitler just makes the left look silly, but they must believe what they say. The left isn't right, so the right must be right. lol :mrgreen:
uh...don't think i have made a single post on hitler or called our current president, no matter how bad he is, that person. But, did you know that recent studies have shown that hitler was barely involved in what was called the final solution and was instead carried out by his ambitious lieutenants who felt that this was the correct interpretation of his rants...fun times in european history class, lol. so, no, i have never raved about hitler.
 

Pacridge

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 14, 2004
Messages
3,918
Reaction score
9
Location
Pacific Northwest US
ShamMol said:
uh...don't think i have made a single post on hitler or called our current president, no matter how bad he is, that person. But, did you know that recent studies have shown that hitler was barely involved in what was called the final solution and was instead carried out by his ambitious lieutenants who felt that this was the correct interpretation of his rants...fun times in european history class, lol. so, no, i have never raved about hitler.
What recent studies? I believe history shows that Hitler made sure he left no paper trail. His involvement is another matter all together.

As for the Left calling people names, such as Hitler. It's not like they hold sole title to that claim. When ever one side dislikes the current administration the names come out. Look at what the right called Clinton. IMO it's all BS they should stick to trying to solve some of our problems and stop slinging mud.
 

flip2

Active member
Joined
May 24, 2005
Messages
338
Reaction score
0
Location
Texan by Choice
Very good read. Very well articulated. Sadly, it is all true. I'm 23, and I have more friends who would consider themselves Democrats, but more importantly, believe almost anything and everything that someone like a Michael Moore or Ward Churchill would put out for public airing.

Just like Pat Sajak, I tend to stay away from discussing politics with many of them because I would never be able to have a serious discussion. It's sad, really.
 

jobezee

New member
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Well, I don't know about flips friends but many of my Republican friends are just as guilty by believing anything that Bill O'Reily or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter puts out.

Look, there are idealogues on both sides and it's impossible to have a civil debate with an idealogue. You are wasting your time. I don't discuss politics with idealogues on either end of the aisle, flip.
 

flip2

Active member
Joined
May 24, 2005
Messages
338
Reaction score
0
Location
Texan by Choice
wow, that's 2 threads in which you've directly called me out. I just attract good people like that..... :wink:
 

LaMidRighter

Klattu Verata Nicto
DP Veteran
Joined
May 19, 2005
Messages
30,534
Reaction score
10,682
Location
Louisiana
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
ShamMol said:
and you righties think that you are right...whoopdidoo
But, when something proves to be an incorrect theory on our side we admit it and try to get to the core of the problem. Liberals; Gun control works because gun deaths are down(never mind that they peaked in the 70's and 80's, after gun control legislation stepped up) from when these laws were written (but other violent crime increased(shh)) so we must need stricter laws in that area. Economics(D)- Higher taxes on the wealthy(even though they are the employers and heaviest investors), Socialism(don't worry, the higher taxes will pay for that), fix a dropping market by raising taxes(even though those taxes are punitive of the very same people we need to invest), Society-political correctness(even though it basically limits the right of free expression, but we'll claim to protect free speech anyway), stricter control on states(we'll just say it's for "safety" purposes), political appeasement of enemy factions( well, it didn't work with Hitler, but throw enough darts and one's gotta stick? right?). Poverty- Just raise taxes and redistribute money, ask employers to add more jobs(even though we just taxed the hell out of them).
Like I said, if our ideas don't pan out, we take a different approach, liberals have used the same game plan for around sixty years, and it hasn't worked yet.
 

edb19

Member
Joined
May 31, 2005
Messages
122
Reaction score
0
Location
Sylvania, Ohio
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Conservative
I like Pat Sajak. He had a weekend show on Fox News for a while. I only watched it a couple of times, but I always enjoyed it. One thing I appreciated about his show - he was always nice. Even if he didn't agree with someone, he didn't beat them up about it.

I understand his column. There are some people I know better than to ever discuss politics with (including a family member or two).
 
Top Bottom