Well there are gangs of gun nuts roaming the streets of Chicago, ironically the Community Barrack Obama apparently organized.
It seems your interest is more in guns than suicides. Would that be correct?
It seems your interest is more in guns than suicides. Would that be correct?
You can't talk about suicide without mentioning guns. Unless you live in a NRA dream world of course. Guns and gun ownership are not all good. They present risks that people need to be aware of to make am intelligent decision about owning them. You have a problem with that?
'Mentioning guns' is much different than you going off on an yet another emotional anti gun rant.
I'll take the miniscule risk involved, intelligently decide to keep mine, and you can stop having a problem with that.
Over 50% of suicides agree with you on that. So good luck. Please be careful and watch out for warning signs in family members at least. It can't be pleasant to have a family member use your gun for suicide.
Exactly why we want to stop selling them guns without any questions. Why do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked?
Exactly why we want to stop selling them guns without any questions. Why do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked?
While it is true that you can't stop at determined person from commiting suicide you can save many by limiting availability of guns.
Why else would this be true?
Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Gun prevalence and suicide rank by state
What questions are really going to matter? Seriously
Criminal and mental history.
I'm really not interested in a gun debate and shouldn't have become sidetracked. This thread is about the suicide of a young man and should stay on topic.
Agreed. Which is done by the background check, not a questionaire.
Also, do you really think that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? I can understand a person in prison, or on probation/parole not being allowed to own a firearm but if a person has served out their sentence there should be no limitation on their rights or freedoms.
I believe actions having consequences.
Are willing to take on the liability if someone with a violent background is allowed to buy a gun and kills others with it? How will you bring back to life those killed if you were wrong?
Many of us have an interest in suicide prevention, rather than just saying its tragic but we shouldn't talk about how it happened.
What questions are really going to matter? Seriously.
Are you planning a mass murder?
Are you suicidal?
No one planning a mass murder is going to say yes to that. No one who wants to kill themselves is going to say yes. That is pretty common sense. In all honestly a background check is just about all you can do. Anything more than that is pointless.
How it happened is of no matter at all, and you will never understand this.
It is WHY it happened that is important, and I doubt you will understand that either.
Should they not be allowed to vote? Marry? Drive a car? Be outside after dark?
Yes actions have consequences, but that should be the end of it. Not every crime should be a life long sentence. If a man gets convicted of a felony and a judge sentences him to 10 years, after 10 years it should be over. That is a consequence. Holding it over their head long after their punishment ends is just dumb.
No, because I am not the one who kills them. Are you willing to take on the liability if someone without a criminal record buys a gun and does it? Gets high and does it? Gets drunk? Does it with another means? That is not a very good question to be honest.
Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention
What should I do if I think someone is suicidal?
"If you think someone is suicidal, do not leave him or her alone. Try to get the person to seek immediate help from his or her doctor or the nearest hospital emergency room, or call 911. Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
"Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)
Firearms 56 30
Suffocation 24 21
Poisoning 13 40"
NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention
OK, I would have no problem removing a gun from the immediate vicinity of a person I knew to be suicidal. But unless I kept the person under a constant state of vigilance I most likely would not be able to prevent his suicide if he were determined to kill himself. Any simple object would suffice, as I can attest to personally in the case of my father and the six-foot piece of nylon cord he fashioned into a ligature. (The key point is we didn't know at the time he was suicidal.) But to assume that removing guns from the broader society would reduce the suicide rate is a leap of faith, not science. Otherwise, how can one explain the fact that gun-phobic South Korea has a suicide rate more than 2.5 times that of the gun-crazy U.S.? If someone really wants to kill himself, even on impulse, instead of make a point or impress his friends with a cry for help he can do it very effectively without a gun.
Why? Where is the public support for your strawman? 90% of Americans and 85% of gun owners do not believe we should sell guns to those with violent backgrounds. Only the far right oppose background checks.
"If you think someone is suicidal, do not leave him or her alone. Try to get the person to seek immediate help from his or her doctor or the nearest hospital emergency room, or call 911. Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention
Clearly this was not written for people who have been battling suicidal thoughts their entire life, it seems to be more of a guide for when you first recognize them. Are you saying they shouldn't have ever left him alone, and that they should have sought immediate help or called 911 daily?
Clearly this was not written for people who have been battling suicidal thoughts their entire life, it seems to be more of a guide for when you first recognize them. Are you saying they shouldn't have ever left him alone, and that they should have sought immediate help or called 911 daily?
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