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Partisan Politics is Ruining the American Political System

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Trump, IMO, is the best chance of healing the divide between the ideologues,
the zealots in Washington and elsewhere in American politics.

With a 50 percent disapproval rate from the folks, it doesn't look like Trump will get
much more done. With the media hounding him at ever step, it doesn't look
Trump will get much more done. With both major political parties (and within the GOP)
digging in their heals on every political issue and always being at odds with each other,
it doesn’t look like Trump will get much more done.

IMO, if Donald Trump couldn't get people and politicans together, no one will. I mourn
the American political system. It's time of greatness is over unless there are some
attempts of compromise here and there.

Take the current healthcare issue. GOPs want to provide more healthcare choices for
Americans. Dems want to insure every American at a low cost.
Some members of the GOP freedom caucus of congresspeople in Washington want to
conflate the healthcare issue with the free market issue. Other moderate members of
the GOP want to keep the high demands of Medicaid on government-run healthcare.
Some members of the Democratic Party want to keep the strictly socialism-based
healthcare system known as ACA.

No dem in Washington will vote for the American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one
member of the freedom caucus in Washington (that I know of) will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one moderate GOP will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017 unless federal spending of Medicaid is held the same
as federal spending of Medicaid with ACA or is a larger spending portion of the bill.

IMO, it's the politician's job in Washington to come together to make bills
like this happen and not to spout off ideologies and dig in their heels.

I say we American voters should put the feet to the fire of some of these
obstructing politicians. The majority of Americans want a healthcare system that isn't
as oppressive and ACA, yet wishes to maintain coverage for pre-existing conditions.
If you are a congressperson and don't pass a less opressive healthcare law than ACA
while maintaining coverage for pre-existing conditions, YOUR JOB SHOULD BE IN
JEOPARDY.

I will start today to resolve myself to campaign against any congressperson that
doesn't facilitate the passage of the American Healthcare Act of 2017.

BTW, there are other polarizing issues that also need to be corrected but these
implementations have to be made one major hurdle at a time. It's the bad
political sign of the times in American government.

Do you want to save the American political system? Join me.
 
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Do you want to save the American political system? Join me.

Oh please. Spare me.

You're one of the most partisan individuals on this forum. If anything you are a part of the problem, not the solution.
 

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Trump, IMO, is the best chance of healing the divide between the ideologues,
the zealots in Washington and elsewhere in American politics.

With a 50 percent disapproval rate from the folks, it doesn't look like Trump will get
much more done. With the media hounding him at ever step, it doesn't look
Trump will get much more done. With both major political parties (and within the GOP)
digging in their heals on every political issue and always being at odds with each other,
it doesn’t look like Trump will get much more done.

IMO, if Donald Trump couldn't get people and politicans together, no one will. I mourn
the American political system. It's time of greatness is over unless there are some
attempts of compromise here and there.

Take the current healthcare issue. GOPs want to provide more healthcare choices for
Americans. Dems want to insure every American at a low cost.
Some members of the GOP freedom caucus of congresspeople in Washington want to
conflate the healthcare issue with the free market issue. Other moderate members of
the GOP want to keep the high demands of Medicaid on government-run healthcare.
Some members of the Democratic Party want to keep the strictly socialism-based
healthcare system known as ACA.

No dem in Washington will vote for the American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one
member of the freedom caucus in Washington (that I know of) will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one moderate GOP will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017 unless federal spending of Medicaid is held the same
as federal spending of Medicaid with ACA or is a larger spending portion of the bill.

IMO, it's the politician's job in Washington to come together to make bills
like this happen and not to spout off ideologies and dig in their heels.

I say we American voters should put the feet to the fire of some of these
obstructing politicians. The majority of Americans want a healthcare system that isn't
as oppressive and ACA, yet wishes to maintain coverage for pre-existing conditions.
If you are a congressperson and don't pass a less opressive healthcare law than ACA
while maintaining coverage for pre-existing conditions, YOUR JOB SHOULD BE IN
JEOPARDY.

I will start today to resolve myself to campaign against any congressperson that
doesn't facilitate the passage of the American Healthcare Act of 2017.

BTW, there are other polarizing issues that also need to be corrected but these
implementations have to be made one major hurdle at a time. It's the bad
political sign of the times in American government.

Do you want to save the American political system? Join me.

Funny. I was sort of hoping Obama would have united people. Didn't happen. The Right Wing went Tea Bagger crazy. Fox News and Talk Radio started inventing stories like "death panels" and "Kenyan anti-colonialist." So, before you knew it, the country became more divided than ever.

I have no doubt that what you are getting now with Trump is what I call Karma. And, Karma be a bitch.
 

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Oh please. Spare me.

You're one of the most partisan individuals on this forum. If anything you are a part of the problem, not the solution.
Yeah. I guess compromise to do the will of the American people is one of the issues I won't compromise on.
 

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Yeah. I guess compromise to do the will of the American people is one of the issues I won't compromise on.

Did you support the "will of the people" when Obama and the democrats won by a large majority in 2008?

:roll:
 

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Funny. I was sort of hoping Obama would have united people. Didn't happen. The Right Wing went Tea Bagger crazy. Fox News and Talk Radio started inventing stories like "death panels" and "Kenyan anti-colonialist." So, before you knew it, the country became more divided than ever.

I have no doubt that what you are getting now with Trump is what I call Karma. And, Karma be a bitch.
BO had to care about the people for the people to get behind him. Had to care about their wishes and beliefs and not berate them at every turn.
 

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Did you support the "will of the people" when Obama and the democrats won by a large majority in 2008?

:roll:
Sure.

EDIT: The elections of 2008 and 2012 were snapshots in time. What did BO do the rest of the time that endeared himself to the people? Populism isn't a bad word.
 
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Trump, IMO, is the best chance of healing the divide between the ideologues,
the zealots in Washington and elsewhere in American politics.

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LOL...Trump ran probably the most divisive campaign in American history. If he cares about unifying America, he sure has a funny way of showing it. and you have a bit of an odd understanding of what it takes to unify a country.
 

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Yeah. I guess compromise to do the will of the American people is one of the issues I won't compromise on.

Well since the ACA is more popular than trump I would say you are incorrect about the "will" of the American people.

And trump has been the biggest divider president we've had in decades.
 

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Well since the ACA is more popular than trump I would say you are incorrect about the "will" of the American people.

And trump has been the biggest divider president we've had in decades.
One of the reaons why Trump's unpopularity has grown is because of the inability of GOPs to pass a populism-backed substitute to ACA. Since Truump said he'd repeal and replace ACA, some people don't take him at his word. Some politicians want to wait and have ACA implode completely for what ever reason. To just repeal it. Such morons. It's not Trump's fault there are so many 'wacko' politicans on both sides that refuse to pass a bill the people want more than ACA.
 

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Well since the ACA is more popular than trump I would say you are incorrect about the "will" of the American people.

And trump has been the biggest divider president we've had in decades.
You're wrong about Trump's divisiveness. Divisiveness comes from polarizing factions within American politics. No one president/politician will be able to make compromises in this divisive climate. American politics is in its downfall.

EDIT: Vote out all the politicians who are obstructionists to the will of the people. District, state and federal jurisdictions.
 
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Sure.

EDIT: The elections of 2008 and 2012 were snapshots in time. What did BO do the rest of the time that endeared himself to the people? Populism isn't a bad word.

Short of acting like an adult, not insulting our allies and treating people fair? Oh, I don't know--push through a workable healthcare plan that provided security to people with pre-existing conditions and long term health needs. :roll:
 

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One of the reaons why Trump's unpopularity has grown is because of the inability of GOPs to pass a populism-backed substitute to ACA. Since Truump said he'd repeal and replace ACA, some people don't take him at his word. Some politicians want to wait and have ACA implode completely for what ever reason. To just repeal it. Such morons. It's not Trump's fault there are so many 'wacko' politicans on both sides that refuse to pass a bill the people want more than ACA.

Maybe it's because the GOP haven't brought up a workable plan that doesn't just reward the rich with tax cuts while sticking it to poor people and those with pre existing conditions or older people.
 

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You're wrong about Trump's divisiveness. Divisiveness comes from polarizing factions within American politics. No one president/politician will be able to make compromises in this divisive climate. American politics is in its downfall.

EDIT: Vote out all the politicians who are obstructionists to the will of the people. District, state and federal jurisdictions.

Funny you liked those "obstructionists" when they were republicans. And the will of the people is not to give tax cuts to the wealthy while sticking it to Poor people and pre existing conditions.

And yes trump is nothing but a divider, one only has to look at his tantrum tweets to see that.
 

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Trump, IMO, is the best chance of healing the divide between the ideologues,
the zealots in Washington and elsewhere in American politics.

With a 50 percent disapproval rate from the folks, it doesn't look like Trump will get
much more done. With the media hounding him at ever step, it doesn't look
Trump will get much more done. With both major political parties (and within the GOP)
digging in their heals on every political issue and always being at odds with each other,
it doesn’t look like Trump will get much more done.

IMO, if Donald Trump couldn't get people and politicans together, no one will. I mourn
the American political system. It's time of greatness is over unless there are some
attempts of compromise here and there.

Take the current healthcare issue. GOPs want to provide more healthcare choices for
Americans. Dems want to insure every American at a low cost.
Some members of the GOP freedom caucus of congresspeople in Washington want to
conflate the healthcare issue with the free market issue. Other moderate members of
the GOP want to keep the high demands of Medicaid on government-run healthcare.
Some members of the Democratic Party want to keep the strictly socialism-based
healthcare system known as ACA.

No dem in Washington will vote for the American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one
member of the freedom caucus in Washington (that I know of) will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017. Not one moderate GOP will vote for the
American Healthcare Act of 2017 unless federal spending of Medicaid is held the same
as federal spending of Medicaid with ACA or is a larger spending portion of the bill.

IMO, it's the politician's job in Washington to come together to make bills
like this happen and not to spout off ideologies and dig in their heels.

I say we American voters should put the feet to the fire of some of these
obstructing politicians. The majority of Americans want a healthcare system that isn't
as oppressive and ACA, yet wishes to maintain coverage for pre-existing conditions.
If you are a congressperson and don't pass a less opressive healthcare law than ACA
while maintaining coverage for pre-existing conditions, YOUR JOB SHOULD BE IN
JEOPARDY.

I will start today to resolve myself to campaign against any congressperson that
doesn't facilitate the passage of the American Healthcare Act of 2017.

BTW, there are other polarizing issues that also need to be corrected but these
implementations have to be made one major hurdle at a time. It's the bad
political sign of the times in American government.

Do you want to save the American political system? Join me.
I must take exception to your opinion.

Trump is the antithesis of a uniter. He sows hate, fear, and division. He plays it up to his base, and encourages it. The first start in uniting the country, is getting rid of Trump.

Perhaps you'll consider uniting with those who would like to see him removed and replaced?
 

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Short of acting like an adult, not insulting our allies and treating people fair? Oh, I don't know--push through a workable healthcare plan that provided security to people with pre-existing conditions and long term health needs. :roll:
How is ACA a workable solution to American healthcare? Really? Have you not thought it through? With ACA, Americans don't have any choice what their healthcare will be.

I don't think BO played nicely with the majority of Americans. What's more important for a president? Playing nicely with foreigners or with Americans?
Sidenote: does the dem party play nicely with Russia?

Which standard are you trying to make Trump adhere to 'cause I don't have a clue.
 
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I must take exception to your opinion.

Trump is the antithesis of a uniter. He sows hate, fear, and division. He plays it up to his base, and encourages it. The first start in uniting the country, is getting rid of Trump.

Perhaps you'll consider uniting with those who would like to see him removed and replaced?
I've always wanted to know why you think Trump should be replaced. I think it's because you disagree with his politics. Can you name an impeachable offense Trump has committed?
 

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How is ACA a workable solution to American healthcare? Really? Have you not thought it through? With ACA, Americans don't have any choice what their healthcare will be. I don't think BO played nicely with the majority of Americans. What's more important for a president? Playing nicely with foreigners or with Americans? Sidenote: does tyhe dem party play nicely with Russia?

ACA gives you lots of choices. It limits the choices of insurance companies, however. Primarily it eliminates the practice of denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and cutting others off plans, once a specific spending cap has been reached. Additionally, it protects Americans, most of whom do not read contracts very well, from being sold crappy insurance plans that do not cover meds, pregnancies, etc. or pay 100% after meeting out of pocket maximums.
 

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Funny you liked those "obstructionists" when they were republicans. And the will of the people is not to give tax cuts to the wealthy while sticking it to Poor people and pre existing conditions.

And yes trump is nothing but a divider, one only has to look at his tantrum tweets to see that.
I agreed with the first part of your post. Correction, some dems and GOPs are obstructionists. Giving tax cuts to the rich isn't a great political selling point for me but reaming the middle class with ACA isn't, either.
 

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You're wrong about Trump's divisiveness. Divisiveness comes from polarizing factions within American politics. No one president/politician will be able to make compromises in this divisive climate. American politics is in its downfall.

EDIT: Vote out all the politicians who are obstructionists to the will of the people. District, state and federal jurisdictions.

I think the pols who are obstructing the overall "will of the people" are actually obeying the will of the people in their individual jurisdictions.
If they aren't fulfilling their constituents' will, they should be replaced in the next election.
I'm dubious about the prospects of that actually happening.
Do you think Ted Cruz or any of the freedom caucus members are gonna be punished by their constituents because he/they oppose any and all healthcare proposals?
 

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ACA gives you lots of choices. It limits the choices of insurance companies, however. Primarily it eliminates the practice of denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and cutting others off plans, once a specific spending cap has been reached. Additionally, it protects Americans, most of whom do not read contracts very well, from being sold crappy insurance plans that do not cover meds, pregnancies, etc. or pay 100% after meeting out of pocket maximums.

ACA also limits the number of visits for someone, like myself who is in the middle class since my state has ZERO healthcare providers for ACA. I have three choices..Pay exhorbitant fees for premiums and deductibles, limit my doctor's visits to one (or less) or become poor enough to be eligible for Medicaid. Hence the reaming of the middle class (see, you don't care about the middle class). Oh, there's a fourth: not paying for ACA healthcare and being fined by the US government through the IRS.
 
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I think the pols who are obstructing the overall "will of the people" are actually obeying the will of the people in their individual jurisdictions.
If they aren't fulfilling their constituents' will, they should be replaced in the next election.
I'm dubious about the prospects of that actually happening.
Do you think Ted Cruz or any of the freedom caucus members are gonna be punished by their constituents because he/they oppose any and all healthcare proposals?
That's why I mentioned the three jurisdictions. Each jurisdiction (district, state and federal) may have conflicting goals. If Cruz, for example, can't handle his federal responsibilities as US Senator, let him get a job in the Texas state legislature where he's eminently more qualified than US Senator.
 
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Oh please. Spare me.

You're one of the most partisan individuals on this forum. If anything you are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Partisanship is vital to a healthy political system. The notion that everyone has to agree on everything is ludicrous.
 
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