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Parsons v Colt Manufacturing

TurtleDude said:
they were hit with 12(b)(6) dismissals. if courts actually imposed severe penalties against those who file frivolous lawsuits, this crap would stop
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This should be more widely known.

www.nydailynews.com

Parents of Colorado shooting victim nearly bankrupt after failing to sue gun retailer used by James Holmes and getting stuck with its legal fees

For Lonnie and Sandy Phillips, losing their daughter Jessi in the horrific 2012 movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo., was simply the beginning of their plight. While continuing to mourn Jessi, t…
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Rucker61 said:
This should be more widely known.

www.nydailynews.com

Parents of Colorado shooting victim nearly bankrupt after failing to sue gun retailer used by James Holmes and getting stuck with its legal fees

For Lonnie and Sandy Phillips, losing their daughter Jessi in the horrific 2012 movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo., was simply the beginning of their plight. While continuing to mourn Jessi, t…
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
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the lawyers who advised them to sue should be liable. it's too bad they had incompetent legal counsel but I have no sympathy for those who try to spread their misery upon those who did nothing wrong
 
TurtleDude said:
the lawyers who advised them to sue should be liable. it's too bad they had incompetent legal counsel but I have no sympathy for those who try to spread their misery upon those who did nothing wrong
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The father was working for Brady when he and his wife filed the lawsuit.
 
TurtleDude said:
they were hit with 12(b)(6) dismissals. if courts actually imposed severe penalties against those who file frivolous lawsuits, this crap would stop
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In federal or state court?
 
Rucker61 said:
The father was working for Brady when he and his wife filed the lawsuit.
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breaks my heart! I still think the attorney that was involved ought to get zapped
 
TurtleDude said:
I was referring to Fed R. Civ. Pr. I realize some states have a Rule 11 as well
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LMAO... Didn't even bother to look the case up and instead tried the baffle them with bullshit approach? It was not dismissed at the federal level, it was remanded to the state courts for jurisdiction... Here is the federal case where it was remanded back to state court..

 
BlueTex said:
LMAO... Didn't even bother to look the case up and instead tried the baffle them with bullshit approach? It was not dismissed at the federal level, it was remanded to the state courts for jurisdiction... Here is the federal case where it was remanded back to state court..

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what are you braying about. I was not the one who started this post. I merely stated that there should be more Rule 11 awards if there is a dismissal. And there should have been
 
TurtleDude said:
the lawyers who advised them to sue should be liable. it's too bad they had incompetent legal counsel but I have no sympathy for those who try to spread their misery upon those who did nothing wrong
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No-one should ever accept the advice of a lawyer as a guarantee

What happened to personal responsibility - if you decide to sue and lose, you need to take it on the chin and admit you lost
Don't look for someone to blame.
 
Rich2018 said:
"In December 2021, a unanimous Nevada Supreme Court determined in Parsons v. Colt’s Manufacturing Company that a Nevada statute granted gun manufacturers immunity from certain wrongful death or negligence claims asserted under state law, even if the plaintiffs plausibly allege the manufacturers knowingly sold firearms that violated state and federal machinegun laws."

What other industry has such immunity ?
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What other industry routinely gets sued for the use of their lawful products by criminals.

When's the last time Anheuser Busch was successfully sued by someone for a drunk driving death?
 
Rich2018 said:
But those companies are making products that are not designed to kill with.
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It is perfectly legal to own one of these products that you think is designed to kill and, in certain circumstances, it is perfectly legal to kill someone with one of them.

I'm sorry that you hate democracy so much and think that it is okay to abuse our court system to achieve through judicial fiat that which cannot be achieved though the ballot box.
 
Rich2018 said:
But those companies are making products that are not designed to kill with.
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Rich, lets just take a look at the cutlery manufactures, these items are not intended to kill people, but they do if that is the intent of the person holding the knife.

In the UK, 2020 stats show that 220 people were murdered by knives, 10,506 offences were committed using knives, 4091 people were admitted to the hospital due to being attacked by a person using a knife. https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

In the U.S. there were more people killed by someone using a knife than using a rifle, 1,739 murders in 2020 by knives, 455 murders in 2020 by rifles. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

Based on this, we should be banning "assault knives" instead of trying to ban "assault rifles".
 
Tlrmln said:
What other industry routinely gets sued for the use of their lawful products by criminals.

When's the last time Anheuser Busch was successfully sued by someone for a drunk driving death?
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Criminals ?

They're sued by the VICTIMS

And tobacco products is another industry.

Tlrmln said:
It is perfectly legal to own one of these products that you think is designed to kill and, in certain circumstances, it is perfectly legal to kill someone with one of them.

I'm sorry that you hate democracy so much and think that it is okay to abuse our court system to achieve through judicial fiat that which cannot be achieved though the ballot box.
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Jut as it's perfectly legal to own a pack of cigarettes.
 
Terryj said:
Rich, lets just take a look at the cutlery manufactures, these items are not intended to kill people, but they do if that is the intent of the person holding the knife.
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Same as the cuckoo clock manufacturing industry - these items are not intended to kill people, but they do if that is the intent of the person holding the clock.

Terryj said:
In the UK, 2020 stats show that 220 people were murdered by knives, 10,506 offences were committed using knives, 4091 people were admitted to the hospital due to being attacked by a person using a knife. https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

In the U.S. there were more people killed by someone using a knife than using a rifle, 1,739 murders in 2020 by knives, 455 murders in 2020 by rifles. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

Based on this, we should be banning "assault knives" instead of trying to ban "assault rifles".
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"US President Trump has repeatedly attacked London Mayor Khan over knife crime in the British capital...Trump has made his remarks about knife crime while defending America’s gun laws despite mass shootings.
“That’s right, they don’t have guns, they have knives…Knives, knives, knives”
But while official statistics show a clear increase in knife crime in London, they also confirm that the murder rate is well below most US cities....London’s knife murder rate is lower than in Trump’s hometown city, New York.
There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in 2017/18 — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.
Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18, and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49. So even amid a spike in British knife crime, Americans as a whole are at least as likely as to die from a stabbing."

www.euronews.com

Deadly knife crime: How does London compare to New York?

Deadly knife crime: How does London compare to New York?
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Lutherf said:
The people of Oklahoma City should have sued U-Haul for providing McVeigh with a vehicle that could be packed with enough ANFO to level a city block. After all, somebody with deep pockets needs to be liable of there's no sense in filing a case!
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Boeing should have been sued for 9/11.
Taco Bell should be sued for calling what they sell "food".;)
 
RF667799 said:
Those Boeing planes did exactly what they were designed to do.
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I know, I was being sarcastic. Just because terrorists used them (same with criminals and guns), there is no malice attached to the object being used and abused for criminal behavior.
 
Rich2018 said:
Can Facebook show images of child porn with impunity ?
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I've already proven that another industry does have legal protections. Trying to add a straw man argument won't change that.
 
Rich2018 said:
Er...the tobacco industry ?
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Using your own measuring stick, which you failed to do yourself, is they were not designed to kill. But as usual, contradict your own arguments if it convenient to do so.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, the tobacco companies lied that cigarettes didn't cause cancer, in their defense.
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As usual, you have the most hilarious arguments.

You basically told him no, then actually agreeing with him without realizing it, that tobacco companies were lying...lol.

They weren't sued for making cigarettes. They were sued for lying about cigarettes.
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Linuxcooldude said:
I've already proven that another industry does have legal protections. Trying to add a straw man argument won't change that.
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Nope
Once again: Can Facebook show images of child porn with impunity ?

Linuxcooldude said:
Using your own measuring stick, which you failed to do yourself, is they were not designed to kill. But as usual, contradict your own arguments if it convenient to do so.
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But they killed anyway. Hence the lawsuits
Try again.

Linuxcooldude said:
As usual, you have the most hilarious arguments.

You basically told him no, then actually agreeing with him without realizing it, that tobacco companies were lying...lol.
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They lied in their defense at the trials. That's not the same thing
You fail again.
 
Rich2018 said:
"In December 2021, a unanimous Nevada Supreme Court determined in Parsons v. Colt’s Manufacturing Company that a Nevada statute granted gun manufacturers immunity from certain wrongful death or negligence claims asserted under state law, even if the plaintiffs plausibly allege the manufacturers knowingly sold firearms that violated state and federal machinegun laws."

What other industry has such immunity ?
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Literally all of them.
 
Rich2018 said:
Nope
Once again: Can Facebook show images of child porn with impunity ?
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That wasn't the conversation we were having, dispite your desperate use of a strawman to change that, once I destroyed your main argument.

They lied in their defense at the trials. That's not the same thing
You fail again.
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You are the one who failed yet agian, when you continue to support his argument that the tobacco industry was lying.
 
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